How much longer can Bolton survive?

[Davey33]

Despite the fact that in his worst year, Buckley had more than 4 times as many wins as Bolton did last season?

In fact, in his worst year, he coached more wins in a season than Bolton ever has!

Unfair comparison.
Buckley started his tenure as a coach taking over a Premiership side, which subsquently slipped further down the ladder for four conssecutive years.
Bolton took over a side that finished stone dead last in 2015 and was absolutely clear about a comprehensive rebuild and a totally new gameplan which he proceeded to enact.
In my eyes and the eyes of many 2016-17 were just fine, it's 2018 where things started to go awry.

 

[Davey33]

And 90% of people were calling for his head, Collingwood fans included.

Can Bolton do the same?

I can't see it.

completely different situation from buckley. see other post

 

[LoungeLizard]

completely different situation from buckley. see other post

Then tell me why you brought Buckley up then?

 

[Davey33]

Then tell me why you brought Buckley up then?

Because what happened with him only makes my point stronger. If Buckley who led a a team to four conssecutive years of demotion on the ladder was still able to keep his job at the end of a season review because they saw the room or potential for improvement than surely Bolton who initally took over a completely fresh team with a very public commitment by the club to make a FULL REBUILD and even with that saw decent returns in his first two seasons followed by a horror season and a still yet to be decided season this year, would survive a review. Especially in light of the improvement from the playing group.

 

[bourbons]

At face value, the GWS offcuts haven't delivered. Silvagni knew a lot about those players, and maybe he put too much emphasis on their junior form when getting them to Carlton, or maybe the football department's development is deficient.

It's very unlikely that it's all Bolton's fault, but the coach historically carries the can.

Yeah agree re: GWS imports, I reckon Plowman and Marchbank go alright, pretty thin after that. Hopefully Setterfield can produce.

Agree also that they're finally doing the right things but likely Bolton won't be around to see the fruit. I'd like to see him coach out his 5 years but we all know how the blues roll.

 

[LoungeLizard]

Because what happened with him only makes my point stronger. If Buckley who led a a team to four conssecutive years of demotion on the ladder was still able to keep his job at the end of a season review because they saw the room or potential for improvement than surely Bolton who initally took over a completely fresh team with a very public commitment by the club to make a FULL REBUILD and even with that saw decent returns in his first two seasons followed by a horror season and a still yet to be decided season this year, would survive a review. Especially in light of the improvement from the playing group.

So, it's ok for you to compare, but it's not ok for anyone else to?

Ok, i get it now.

 

[Davey33]

So, it's ok for you to compare, but it's not ok for anyone else to?

Ok, i get it now.

no it's ok for anyone. Just helps when there's some depth to the comparison

 

[LoungeLizard]

no it's ok for anyone. Just helps when there's some depth to the comparison

Ok, if you want to compare like for like, who would you pick? Neeld?

 

[Davey33]

Ok, if you want to compare like for like, who would you pick? Neeld?

dont think he's anything like Neeld. Besides Neeld's time was far too short to judge on.

If anything I would say the general approach was more like Melbourne 2014/15- Paul Roos when they made a comprehensive systematic rebuild with a strong emphasis on defense. The difference being obviously in 2018 going awry.

 

[Ron The Bear]

They weren't a side on the up in 2016/17, they were a side just working on building a solid defensive unit and gameplan ala Melbourne under Roos 2015/16

Look at the significant revamp under Roos in 2016. Melbourne were the youngest team in the comp and went from 7 to 10 wins. That's progress.

Melbourne left, Carlton right.

Year|Fin|Wins|Avg Age|Age Rank||Fin|Wins|Avg Age|Age Rank
\2015|13th|7|24.68|13th||18th|4|25.37|6th
\2016|11th|10|23.72|18th||14th|7|25.32|6th
\2017|9th|12|24.58|15th||16th|6|24.56|16th
\2018|4th|14|24.89|12th||18th|2|24.56|13th
\2019|15th|3|24.87|10th||18th|1|24.45|15th

 

[Fadge]

Look at the significant revamp under Roos in 2016. Melbourne were the youngest team in the comp and went from 7 to 10 wins. That's progress.

Melbourne left, Carlton right.

Year	Fin	Wins	Avg Age	Age Rank		Fin	Wins	Avg Age	Age Rank
2015	13th	7	24.68	13th	18th	4	25.37	6th
2016	11th	10	23.72	18th	14th	7	25.32	6th
2017	9th	12	24.58	15th	16th	6	24.56	16th
2018	4th	14	24.89	12th	18th	2	24.56	13th
2019	15th	3	24.87	10th	18th	1	24.45	15th

Seems like a reasonable comparison to me...

 

[Davey33]

Look at the significant revamp under Roos in 2016. Melbourne were the youngest team in the comp and went from 7 to 10 wins. That's progress.

Melbourne left, Carlton right.

Year	Fin	Wins	Avg Age	Age Rank		Fin	Wins	Avg Age	Age Rank
2015	13th	7	24.68	13th		18th	4	25.37	6th
2016	11th	10	23.72	18th		14th	7	25.32	6th
2017	9th	12	24.58	15th		16th	6	24.56	16th
2018	4th	14	24.89	12th		18th	2	24.56	13th
2019	15th	3	24.87	10th		18th	1	24.45	15th

Yes i agree. If you read through my post you'll see that i mentioned how Carlton went awry in 2018

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

Look at the significant revamp under Roos in 2016. Melbourne were the youngest team in the comp and went from 7 to 10 wins. That's progress.

Melbourne left, Carlton right.

Year	Fin	Wins	Avg Age	Age Rank		Fin	Wins	Avg Age	Age Rank
2015	13th	7	24.68	13th		18th	4	25.37	6th
2016	11th	10	23.72	18th		14th	7	25.32	6th
2017	9th	12	24.58	15th		16th	6	24.56	16th
2018	4th	14	24.89	12th		18th	2	24.56	13th
2019	15th	3	24.87	10th		18th	1	24.45	15th

Average age must be the worst stat there is.

I’d rather 22 x 25 year olds than 11 x 20 year olds and 11 x 30 year olds.

Probably the difference between the lions and the blues right now. Goes back to those woeful 08-14 draft, where we now see a hole in that part of our list.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Average age must be the worst stat there is.

I’d rather 22 x 25 year olds than 11 x 20 year olds and 11 x 30 year olds.

Probably the difference between the lions and the blues right now. Goes back to those woeful 08-14 draft, where we now see a hole in that part of our list.

Where are you going to get 22 AFL-standard players from one draft?

Finishing position > age rank spells trouble and indicates change is required. It's like a natural law that can't be bucked.

 

[FR0GGY]

Lets hope he stays till at least the no 1 pick is guaranteed, after that sack him.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

All those players were free hits and cost the club nothing. 1 year contracts were used so they can be replaced by high draft picks, this actually benefited the club because we could move out deadweight faster.

The big question is the skills and development of draftees looks way off.

Free hits?

You are still paying their salaries & they are clogging up spots on your list... meanwhile you get rid of the likes of Robertson for buggar all.

 

[Fadge]

Just watched the start of Footy Classifieds and loved the way Chris Judd shut down Caro when she interrupted him to tell him he wasn't feeling the same pressure as Bolton and SOS are feeling.

'So you're in a position to tell me how much pressure I'm feeling?'

Slap.

 

[pazza]

Keep him and sack Silvagni. Bloke has no idea how to recruit.

 

[SickQwon]

Free hits?

You are still paying their salaries & they are clogging up spots on your list... meanwhile you get rid of the likes of Robertson for buggar all.

No we're not.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

No we're not.

Who is paying for these players then?

Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny?

 

[SickQwon]

Keep him and sack Silvagni. Bloke has no idea how to recruit.

Paul Brodie is Carltons head recruiter, wtf???

 

[SickQwon]

Who is paying for these players then?

Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny?

Uhh... are you being serious? Those players don't have contracts at Carlton?

 

[pazza]

Paul Brodie is Carltons head recruiter, wtf???

Picking GWS offcuts thanks to Silvagni's influence. That's the heart of Carlton's problem. Dud players.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Uhh... are you being serious? Those players don't have contracts at Carlton?

Yes they did, we are talking about the ex-GWS players on rhe Cartlon list, most of whom clogged your list.

They were not free hits like you claimed.

 

[FR0GGY]

Picking GWS offcuts thanks to Silvagni's influence. That's the heart of Carlton's problem. Dud players.

Whats worse the idiot picked them twice.