Vic How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 7

[Saint]

I don’t think so, no.

What difference does it make?
If trust was diminishing based on these focus groups, should that change the required measures being rolled out?
It shouldn’t. It should be completely based on health advice.

Did other premiers need the same data?

It would change the dynamic of how directions are given. conveyed and if they would need to be backed by rules.

If 90% of people believe what the Premier's advice is, and that it's useful, then following the advice is more likely and wouldn't need rules to back it up.

If only 50% of people believe what he says and 50% have started to believe "alternative sources", then the "advice" would have to become "rules" and change the level of enforcement required and require more stringent controls.

So I think it's absolutely necessary to know if the Premier who is providing health advice to reduce spread is being believed.

 

[adogsfan5]

It would change the dynamic of how directions are given. conveyed and if they would need to be backed by rules.

If 90% of people believe what the Premier's advice is, and that it's useful, then following the advice is more likely and wouldn't need rules to back it up.

If only 50% of people believe what he says and 50% have started to believe "alternative sources", then the "advice" would have to become "rules" and change the level of enforcement required and require more stringent controls.

So I think it's absolutely necessary to know if the Premier who is providing health advice to reduce spread is being believed.

Why did only Andrews need this then?

 

[kalex6251]

keeping a watch on the effectiveness of public health messaging would matter if opponents were deliberately trying to undermine that messaging .... every state govt would have been focus group testing their communications in this space .... even the preacher man would have been asking a few questions at his regular kirribilli hillsong singalongs [probably why he cowardly baulked at the mandate question]

in addition, all govts would have been mindful disinformation was rife and readily available for those willing to go down that rabbit hole ...... hell, ya reckon tim smith would have been unhinged enough to call for the total annihilation of kew's bat colony without focus group feedback ..... [edit] hmmmmmm ok, yes he would be that stupid ...... bad example

 

[peetoo]

I have a mate that lived deep in John Major country in Huntingdon and at some point in time they'd built a ring road around the town which could make getting about a real pain.

I’m From Huddersfield, wondering if the towns which managed to ring the cbd with a close ring road are now the ones with the worst problems

 

[Saint]

Why did only Andrews need this then?

I thought they did it for Sutton and a couple of others too?

 

[Crankyhawk]

An excellent speech delivered to the Australian Senate by Ralph Babet, coherently and methodically picking apart Daniel Andrews' plans. We need this kind of measured analysis from more outlets to really drive home the message about what Andrews is up to.

Does that loudmouth give a meaningful alternative?

 

[hawkman]

Will be interesting to see how much this letter from the departed IBAC commissioner hits with both the Lib/Nats and Greens calling for it to be released to parliament

 

[Not Important]

Will be interesting to see how much this letter from the departed IBAC commissioner hits with both the Lib/Nats and Greens calling for it to be released to parliament

redlich is not one prone 2 exaggeration. maybe the 1st glove laid on andrews. thing is, andrews has quite some time before the next poll. the libs are piss weak. and the greens largely bit players in the rough and tumble.

 

[Chief]

Why would you think Murdoch's tactics here are any different to what we know he does in America with Fox.

Or what he does in the UK.

 

[The Punter]

redlich is not one prone 2 exaggeration. maybe the 1st glove laid on andrews. thing is, andrews has quite some time before the next poll. the libs are piss weak. and the greens largely bit players in the rough and tumble.

To paraphrase - Andrews has probably done something he should not have done, opposition useless, therefore Andrews' behaviour doesn't matter.

 

[adogsfan5]

To paraphrase - Andrews has probably done something he should not have done, opposition useless, therefore Andrews' behaviour doesn't matter.

*Scurries to see what Pesutto is up to.

 

[Mofra]

The curfew was not part of the health advice to Andrews. It's at least one aspect of lockdown I disagreed with.

I also don't think consultants should have been used, although it's something pretty much every major party politician does.

 

[adogsfan5]

The curfew was not part of the health advice to Andrews. It's at least one aspect of lockdown I disagreed with.

I also don't think consultants should have been used, although it's something pretty much every major party politician does.

Let’s not beat around the bush, it was used to check up on popularity.

 

[Mofra]

Let’s not beat around the bush, it was used to check up on popularity.

Yep, agree.
And I don't think popularity should form part of a response during a health emergency

 

[Gralin]

Yep, agree.
And I don't think popularity should form part of a response during a health emergency

but it can impact compliance, nothing happens in a vacuum

The way lockdowns were run was poor but given the primary critics of Andrews now spent the entire time everything was happening asking about security guards and encouraging people not to follow the rules we have to remember that also doesn't happen in a vacuum

 

[Mofra]

but it can impact compliance, nothing happens in a vacuum

The way lockdowns were run was poor but given the primary critics of Andrews now spent the entire time everything was happening asking about security guards and encouraging people not to follow the rules we have to remember that also doesn't happen in a vacuum

I acknowledge there could be some immediate secondary effect on compliance, but confidence that the decisions made are done so due to health advice are a far bigger concern in the long term.

If there is another pandemic will there be the same level of trust if we know party leaders have one eye on opinion polls? Or that a few of the measures weren't from the CHO?

IIRC Victoria passed legislation to make CHO advice public. That's a good start.

 

[Saint]

Yep, agree.
And I don't think popularity should form part of a response during a health emergency

And yet the opposition was calling him Dictator Dan, misleading on the impact and effect of controls put in place and basically encouraging people to ignore recommendations by muddying the waters on just about everything.

Hell, even State and Federal MPs were undermining both the announcements and their efficacy.

It would have been one thing if they (the media) had reasoned analysis or discussion, but they didn't. They just threw up extreme cases ran nonsense and attacked the Premier. They brought his (and Sutton's) integrity into question, so the Premier responded by monitoring to see if people were believing media/LNP nonsense or still listening.

I've no doubt restrictions would have been less if there weren't State and Federal MPs and specific media organisations undermining everything the whole time. (And as I've said, questioning and debating decisions is healthy in a democracy and what should have been happening, but that's not what they were doing).

 

[tandino]

Will be interesting to see how much this letter from the departed IBAC commissioner hits with both the Lib/Nats and Greens calling for it to be released to parliament

It's an allegation that can't just float on the wind. It has to be investigated somehow.

 

[kickazz]

And yet the opposition was calling him Dictator Dan, misleading on the impact and effect of controls put in place and basically encouraging people to ignore recommendations by muddying the waters on just about everything.

Hell, even State and Federal MPs were undermining both the announcements and their efficacy.

It would have been one thing if they (the media) had reasoned analysis or discussion, but they didn't. They just threw up extreme cases ran nonsense and attacked the Premier. They brought his (and Sutton's) integrity into question, so the Premier responded by monitoring to see if people were believing media/LNP nonsense or still listening.

I've no doubt restrictions would have been less if there weren't State and Federal MPs and specific media organisations undermining everything the whole time. (And as I've said, questioning and debating decisions is healthy in a democracy and what should have been happening, but that's not what they were doing).

And in the end, by any way one chooses to measure it, Peta lost.

 

[tandino]

I've no doubt restrictions would have been less if there weren't State and Federal MPs and specific media organisations undermining everything the whole time.

Out of spite?

 

[The Punter]

The Dictator Dan stuff should never have happened, but none is more unable to resist alliteration than an opposition MP. The accusation contained herein is simply untrue.

Suggesting restrictions were inappropriate, unfair or unlikely to be followed is not the same as promoting non-compliance. It's a neat thing to believe when you are trying to maintain all the problems with how the government handled the pandemic were caused by someone outside the government. This is also simply untrue. Also, if the opposition sees the government doing something it does not believe should be done, they are duty bound to air that criticism and hold the government to account. Resoundingly the Victorian people endorsed the Andrews Government in 2022. So as a political and administrative process, the system worked. Plenty of information was in the public domain about the Andrews Government's relationship with integrity, transparency, and our political institutions, but Victorians have made their choice and made it clearly.

 

[Mofra]

And yet the opposition was calling him Dictator Dan, misleading on the impact and effect of controls put in place and basically encouraging people to ignore recommendations by muddying the waters on just about everything.

Hell, even State and Federal MPs were undermining both the announcements and their efficacy.

It would have been one thing if they (the media) had reasoned analysis or discussion, but they didn't. They just threw up extreme cases ran nonsense and attacked the Premier. They brought his (and Sutton's) integrity into question, so the Premier responded by monitoring to see if people were believing media/LNP nonsense or still listening.

I've no doubt restrictions would have been less if there weren't State and Federal MPs and specific media organisations undermining everything the whole time. (And as I've said, questioning and debating decisions is healthy in a democracy and what should have been happening, but that's not what they were doing).

I believe the Libs would have handled the situation worse than Dan did, but I'm very pro-scrutiny for public officials and any instances of wrong-doing should be highlighted.

 

[adogsfan5]

It’s actually becoming more and more amusing that Victoria seems to be the only place where non-compliance and criticism were occurring, and we were somehow the only ones needing tax payer focus groups to assist.

Go figure.

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

I believe the Libs would have handled the situation worse than Dan did, but I'm very pro-scrutiny for public officials and any instances of wrong-doing should be highlighted.

Realistically we need a Royal Commission into the handling of Covid. Not to point fingers but to get a factual account of what happened, what worked and what didn't.
It has to be something where someone can't do thier best Sergeant Schultz impression.

 

[adogsfan5]

Realistically we need a Royal Commission into the handling of Covid. Not to point fingers but to get a factual account of what happened, what worked and what didn't.
It has to be something where someone can't do thier best Sergeant Schultz impression.

Spot on.