But given the majority of cases right now are people returning from overseas, of course the government should be putting restrictions on people travelling freely. It’s costing the government to quarantine them when they return.
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But given the majority of cases right now are people returning from overseas, of course the government should be putting restrictions on people travelling freely. It’s costing the government to quarantine them when they return.
Anyone who travels internationally is to be quarantined at their own expense not picked up by the taxpayer.
Is that only for people who leave now? I thought government was footing bill for returned travellers?
Distinction between people stuck overseas by covid
& people in the future wanting to travel & take the risk.
‘many people are relating that they don’t intend to return for an extended period. It makes no sense
and when does the quarantine process get scrutiny?
‘even if people are happy with ‘expense’ they are having to go through onerous and intrusive processes
Thats their choice.
so it’s not reasonable to expect the ‘service’ to be a service? From what I read the dept is waiting to the last push to grant approval. So people are prretending their flights are earlier than they are. It’s becoming farcical.
meanwhile scomo is regularly berating states for ‘borders’. To quote you ‘it’s their choice’
we are talking dual citizens here. A person intending to leave for an extended period is zero threat to Australia’s health
Are you playing games? What is 'the service'? Who is pretending their flights are earlier.
My comment was in the context of allowing people to travel in the immediate future & when they return being quarantined at their own expense.
Are we on the same tram?
But what if after a month they change their mind due to conditions overseas?
Also given we went into lockdown because international travellers refused to self quarantine, you could understand anyone being hesitant to believe they won’t be back for a while.
I’ve got no problem with them leaving if they don’t want to come back, but I can understand the government wanting to have a thorough process.
I think people would be more accepting if Dan agreed to have one in his street. If it’s so good then surely his own electorate and his neighbours should be benefiting first?
Me neither, but related evidence is the ‘immigration’ department doing the checking is going over the top, leaving people in limbo, not answering enquires, sending approval at the last minute etc etc. It doesn’t sound like people are deciding to travel lightly.
it is a ban which very few countries have in place, and when asked to be accountable, scomo says ‘not now maybe’
Tell me about the funeral I missed this week . Its the sort of thing people dont forget.
Sorry to hear that Kwality.
It has to be in a pretty central location - can’t be out in the burbs.
Not much point having a demo for a cause unless the message is jammed down the throats of passers by going about their business - not listening !!
I go up there about once a year hiking for a few nights and there is more and more. I tend to see dozens. Why wouldn't you believe Parks Victoria.
If you don't know the harm they cause then you're not listening to the experts, which doesn't surprise me.
The X'trapolis trains are reliable and my late dad loved driving them but even so the initial order 20 years ago only ran on the hillside lines (the worse bayside lines got the Siemens and their dodgy brakes). After the first 10, the remaining 48 of the first X'trapolis order and all subsequent orders since go into the Newport workshop before going into public service.
As for the HCMT, they are really designed for the MMRT which doesn't open for another 5 years anyway.
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The reasoning behind that was because Jeff decided to split the network in two. The operators at the time had to replace the hitachi trains. They were allowed to order thier own thing and refurbish the Comeng fleet thier own way.
Modifying the network and training up each depot in each train is just in the too hard basket for the time being.
These trains are just typical of a lot of things that occur under the Andrews government, they come up with ideas that sound good that the masses will love the thought of but they give them no thought themselves.
We’ll deliver these high capacity trains without any thought to whether they’ll actually be any good
Build the West Gate tunnel because the Libs want to build the East West Link and well rush into it without doing any due diligence which had been done on the EW Link
Build NE link to shut everyone up but go the cheapest and most illogical route
Have to appease the UFU so we’ll destroy two fire services to do something no one had ever recommended in dozens of reviews but it will appease the UFU. Then we’ll rush it through not realising nor understanding just how much work is actually involved and the deadline was completely unreasonable but still they push it through and just weeks away, nothing is ready and thousands of people don’t even know where or who they’ll be working for next month!
He is very much a let’s do a lot of s**t that sounds good Premier rather than taking any time to actually do some due dilligence because it sounds better to list all these ideas even if none of them are achieved on time, on budget or are anywhere near shovel ready when they begin.
But he’s smart because he’ll send the state broke then when they do get removed from power, the Liberals will find no money to spend and they ALP will turn around and say they did nothing and the sheep will vote them back in.
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It's not so much as whether they will be good or not. It's who will build them is any good or not. We ultimately need more trains that can carry more people.
We can't order any more X'Trapolis 100s. Alstom have said no more 100s. That's why Alstom are pushing the "X'Trapolis 2.0" (Actually based off the X'Trapolis Mega family)
That’s what I mean, they come up with ideas then rush them through without the due diligence
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With these trains it's more a case of the bid winner over promising and under delivering.
Failure to assess the bids, its not just pick the cheapest. Due diligence !
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Lucky that was picked up in review before any contracts were signed.
Not that Andrews cares about contracts.
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