Vic How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier?

[LeverPuller]

Trouble is it's actually as fact.

Historically, the Western Suburbs have been about 30 years behind infrastructure wise.

It took the best part of 15 years from planning to completion for the West Gate in 1978. Come the Ring Road, and it was finally linked up in the early 2000's, having taken a decade for construction.

In public transport, the Werribee line was finally electrified in 1983, causing a massive boom in population. It was another generation before Sunbury was hooked up and could be another before Melton does.

Compare the above to electrification to Dandenong and Frankston, completed in the 1960's...and Belgrave in 1965.

Victorian govts on both sides are to blame for the slowness of it...

West Gate: Bolte's vision but just took his time
Electrification: Governments don't see the need until it's too late, Stony Point is the same now
Eastlink: should have been built in the 80s (or at worst 90s under Kennett)
East-West: should have been built in the 2000s under Bracks

Metro Rail is a product of today and is reasonable, but it shouldn't just be that. There's a massive need for trains out to Bundoora/Doncaster and through Monash Clayton to Rowville. You've got farmland the other side of Rowville because the access to PT and services from that point is just too damn far - you either have to work your way through the Dandes to the Belgrave line (which is a single track because mountains) or drive with traffic to either Glen Waverley or Dandenong, none of which are good solutions.

The Monash/Rowville train line would win a government an election if they had the balls, the problem is noone does. It'd be a huge project (straight down the middle of Wellington Road would be the ideal) but will anyone ever do it? Means that you get improved train services on the Pakenham line due to less people too. Could also run 3 tiers of services:
Pakenham SAS Huntingdale E Caulfield E South Yarra
Rowville SAS Caulfield E South Yarra
Frankston SAS South Yarra

Or alternate Frankston and Rowville lines on the expresses so that people could target a Frankston express train - something that doesn't really happen right now.

 

[Ice-Wolf]

Victorian govts on both sides are to blame for the slowness of it...

West Gate: Bolte's vision but just took his time
Electrification: Governments don't see the need until it's too late, Stony Point is the same now
Eastlink: should have been built in the 80s (or at worst 90s under Kennett)
East-West: should have been built in the 2000s under Bracks

Metro Rail is a product of today and is reasonable, but it shouldn't just be that. There's a massive need for trains out to Bundoora/Doncaster and through Monash Clayton to Rowville. You've got farmland the other side of Rowville because the access to PT and services from that point is just too damn far - you either have to work your way through the Dandes to the Belgrave line (which is a single track because mountains) or drive with traffic to either Glen Waverley or Dandenong, none of which are good solutions.

The Monash/Rowville train line would win a government an election if they had the balls, the problem is noone does. It'd be a huge project (straight down the middle of Wellington Road would be the ideal) but will anyone ever do it? Means that you get improved train services on the Pakenham line due to less people too. Could also run 3 tiers of services:
Pakenham SAS Huntingdale E Caulfield E South Yarra
Rowville SAS Caulfield E South Yarra
Frankston SAS South Yarra

Or alternate Frankston and Rowville lines on the expresses so that people could target a Frankston express train - something that doesn't really happen right now.

They should have just extended the Glen Waverly Line to Rowville (and beyond), duplicated the Stony Point line to the Mornington Spur, recommissioned the Mornington Line, duplicated all single track sections on the Main Metropolitan Network, extended the Altona loop to Point Cook, recommissioned the Port Melbourne line redirecting it into Fishermans bend with Crown Casino built on top/around the tracks and built an outer loop line along the east link corridor interchanging with the Dandenong Spur, Rowville line and connecting the Frankston and Ringwood Spurs and recommissioned the Kew line and extended it to Doncaster.

Oh and upgraded the entire power and signalling systems to at least 20th century standards rather than 19th.

 

[Pessimistic]

Victorian govts on both sides are to blame for the slowness of it...

West Gate: Bolte's vision but just took his time
Electrification: Governments don't see the need until it's too late, Stony Point is the same now
Eastlink: should have been built in the 80s (or at worst 90s under Kennett)
East-West: should have been built in the 2000s under Bracks

Metro Rail is a product of today and is reasonable, but it shouldn't just be that. There's a massive need for trains out to Bundoora/Doncaster and through Monash Clayton to Rowville. You've got farmland the other side of Rowville because the access to PT and services from that point is just too damn far - you either have to work your way through the Dandes to the Belgrave line (which is a single track because mountains) or drive with traffic to either Glen Waverley or Dandenong, none of which are good solutions.

The Monash/Rowville train line would win a government an election if they had the balls, the problem is noone does. It'd be a huge project (straight down the middle of Wellington Road would be the ideal) but will anyone ever do it? Means that you get improved train services on the Pakenham line due to less people too. Could also run 3 tiers of services:
Pakenham SAS Huntingdale E Caulfield E South Yarra
Rowville SAS Caulfield E South Yarra
Frankston SAS South Yarra

Or alternate Frankston and Rowville lines on the expresses so that people could target a Frankston express train - something that doesn't really happen right now.

Monash = skyrail

 

[LeverPuller]

Monash = skyrail

Yes, doesn't mean it will be easy. Trying to get Skyrail over the Wellington Rd/Princes Hwy intersection.....ugh

 

[Pessimistic]

Yes, doesn't mean it will be easy. Trying to get Skyrail over the Wellington Rd/Princes Hwy intersection.....ugh

If the community accepts skyrail, the problems are unlocked. We need to bear in mind the effect autonomous vehicles technology will have on both public and private transport. It will happen well within the lifetime of infrastructure built today

 

[sportsmaniac89]

We also need the tram line extended from Vermont South to Knox City. That would be a great help. In saying that, it's more likely to happen under a LNP government than an ALP one.

 

[pazza]

We also need the tram line extended from Vermont South to Knox City. That would be a great help. In saying that, it's more likely to happen under a LNP government than an ALP one.

Would help.

Though The Libs had a chance in both 1992 and 1999 to do just that.

The only party that supports it now is the Greens!

 

[Pessimistic]

Would help.

Though The Libs had a chance in both 1992 and 1999 to do just that.

The only party that supports it now is the Greens!

The extension to vermont is a recent upgrade so its not been ignored completely. light rail in its own reservation does work remarkably well

 

[hamohawk1]

Just wondering if the Herald Sun officers have recovered since the news of andrews getting 9.7b for the port of melbourne. Walls would've been punched clarko style

 

[pazza]

More good news stories.

The return of the Australian Emergency and Counter Disaster Institute to Mount Macedon is a great result. Will be in state government hands after being closed by Canberra in 2014. Great for local jobs.

http://www.news.com.au/national/bre...t/news-story/18185cbee5dacbc506c2cc1567926f55

 

[Elroo]

Just wondering if the Herald Sun officers have recovered since the news of andrews getting 9.7b for the port of melbourne. Walls would've been punched clarko style

Plus another 15% on top of the $9.7 billion from the Commonwealth through their asset recycling program.

 

[sportsmaniac89]

Rather impressive deal leasing it for $9.7 Billion. Considering they were talking $6B - $7B, to get that sort of amount is a well negotiated deal and the 15% on top of that brings it overall to $11 Billion.

I hope the money is invested according in projects that will benefit ALL Victorians.

 

[Ice-Wolf]

Plus another 15% on top of the $9.7 billion from the Commonwealth through their asset recycling program.

Except the Liberal pricks are stiffing us and not going to pay the full amount.

 

[Elroo]

Except the Liberal pricks are stiffing us and not going to pay the full amount.

Yep just heard that. Morrison says sorry ive closed that scheme, forgot to tell you.

 

[Ice-Wolf]

Yep just heard that. Morrison says sorry ive closed that scheme, forgot to tell you.

Wonder if that was why they knocked back the NSW grid sale.

 

[Ice-Wolf]

Yeah the Age isn't happy with Morrison's bullshit, the Editor has gotten their cricket bat out and came after him in a HUNesque display of state pride (only with a higher reading level).

http://www.theage.com.au/comment/th...-port-of-melbourne-lease-20160920-grkanx.html

 

[pazza]

Yeah the Age isn't happy with Morrison's bullshit, the Editor has gotten their cricket bat out and came after him in a HUNesque display of state pride (only with a higher reading level).

http://www.theage.com.au/comment/th...-port-of-melbourne-lease-20160920-grkanx.html

Herald-Sun went just as hard yesterday. Says volumes.

 

[Ice-Wolf]

Morrison doubling-down with the "it's this or nothing approach".

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/n...tion-to-pay-up-over-port-20160921-grkx5c.html

 

[pazza]

It is pretty pathetic that the fastest growing capital city, is part of the second most popluous state only gets a staggering 9% of the total national infrastructure spend. And has been for some time.

Makes it bloody difficult for any State Government down here to counteract such lack of funds.

 

[hamohawk1]

It is pretty pathetic that the fastest growing capital city, is part of the second most popluous state only gets a staggering 9% of the total national infrastructure spend. And has been for some time.

Makes it bloody difficult for any State Government down here to counteract such lack of funds.

what is the breakdown state by state?

 

[mighty tiges]

Victorian govts on both sides are to blame for the slowness of it...

West Gate: Bolte's vision but just took his time
Electrification: Governments don't see the need until it's too late, Stony Point is the same now
Eastlink: should have been built in the 80s (or at worst 90s under Kennett)
East-West: should have been built in the 2000s under Bracks

Metro Rail is a product of today and is reasonable, but it shouldn't just be that. There's a massive need for trains out to Bundoora/Doncaster and through Monash Clayton to Rowville. You've got farmland the other side of Rowville because the access to PT and services from that point is just too damn far - you either have to work your way through the Dandes to the Belgrave line (which is a single track because mountains) or drive with traffic to either Glen Waverley or Dandenong, none of which are good solutions.

The Monash/Rowville train line would win a government an election if they had the balls, the problem is noone does. It'd be a huge project (straight down the middle of Wellington Road would be the ideal) but will anyone ever do it? Means that you get improved train services on the Pakenham line due to less people too. Could also run 3 tiers of services:
Pakenham SAS Huntingdale E Caulfield E South Yarra
Rowville SAS Caulfield E South Yarra
Frankston SAS South Yarra

Or alternate Frankston and Rowville lines on the expresses so that people could target a Frankston express train - something that doesn't really happen right now.

Rowville line, Melton electrification & airport line won't be done until the Melbourne Metro rail tunnel is completed. All 3 are planned to run through the MMRT along with the Pak/Cran and Sunbury lines.

Likewise, a Doncaster line won't now even be considered until Metro tunnel 2 (Clifton Hill to Fisherman's Bend to Newport) is built (which is sadly a long way off). This would allow the South Morang/Mernda line to run through Metro 2 while Doncaster & Hurstbridge lines run via the City Loop.

 

[Jascave]

Looks like the Herald Sun has gone to war with the Andrews Government over the Grand Final Eve public holiday again.

 

[Ice-Wolf]

Looks like the Herald Sun has gone to war with the Andrews Government over the Grand Final Eve public holiday again.

They've been at war with the Andrews government since it was elected.

 

[Jascave]

They've been at war with the Andrews government since it was elected.

Would love to be a fly-on-the-wall on State Election Night 2018 and watch the reaction of the Herald Sun editors and politicial writers to Dan Andrews being returned to government. Would the Herald Sun go even harder on the Andrews government in its second term, or should it tone down their coverage?

 

[Ice-Wolf]

Would love to be a fly-on-the-wall on State Election Night 2018 and watch the reaction of the Herald Sun editors and politicial writers to Dan Andrews being returned to government. Would the Herald Sun go even harder on the Andrews government in its second term, or should it tone down their coverage?

Frankly the more interesting thing is "The Age" coverage it seems like a good news story will come out and then with a hour it has either been banished from the frontpage of the website or re-written as negatively as possible.