Howard Appreciation Thread

[mantis]

Hood Job little johnie, would of bein hard job you have done, your a bloody good leader and all the best after politics. well done champ

As this post shows, he didn't give a stuff about making sure all kids got a good education.

 

[AndSmithMustScore]

HA HA, the old "my dog's owner's best friend" scenario is being used, to back up someone's argument, when they know it can't be substantiated one way or the other.

Sorry ASMS, your claim doesn't stand up.

I really don't give a **** if you believe it or not.

But I have no reason to lie on a ****ing internet forum to a bunch of dinks.

The man in question though is a very interesting one as he was raised on the border of Pakistan and Afghanistan and was formally educated in France as his father was a diplomat.

He went on to do alot of charity medical work in so far as he makes artificial limbs of which there is never enough in the regions he lived in Afghanistan when he moved back there.

He married an Australian nurse and she also did alot of care work there.

They give a much different picture to things that some on here espouse to know for certain.

A very polite and intelligent man, i have no reason to ever think he would make up stories about such immigration issues.

 

[Mickey]

You're sound like some 15 year old kid who's socialist unionist teacher told them a heap of shit and you swallowed it up like a patsy.

And you still didn't address my point that any parent who puts a child on a dirty flea/rat ridden unseaworthy craft and sets sail into the middle of the ocean with the intention of entering another nation illegally is 100% guilty of child abuse.

But of course you wouldn't, because that wouldn't paint them in the picture you want them to be portrayed in.

I'm still going to enjoy sending them back to where they came from, one of the things I love about my job.

 

[AndSmithMustScore]

As this post shows, he didn't give a stuff about making sure all kids got a good education.

Well he's probably been educated in a state run by Labor hasn't he

 

[Grin]

You're sound like some 15 year old kid who's socialist unionist teacher told them a heap of shit and you swallowed it up like a patsy.

And you still didn't address my point that any parent who puts a child on a dirty flea/rat ridden unseaworthy craft and sets sail into the middle of the ocean with the intention of entering another nation illegally is 100% guilty of child abuse.

But of course you wouldn't, because that wouldn't paint them in the picture you want them to be portrayed in.

I'm asking you did you support the detention of small children for years at a time?

You're justification is that parents desperately fleeing war zones are, in fact, child abusers, thus you have a right to get your rocks off from abusing their children.


I honestly can't understand why stating that child abuse is wrong is such a contraversial statement.

 

[Mickey]

I'm asking you did you support the detention of small children for years at a time?

You're justification is that parents desperately fleeing war zones are, in fact, child abusers, thus you have a right to get your rocks off from abusing their children.


I honestly can't understand why stating that child abuse is wrong is such a contraversial statement.

are they all fleeing warzones?? Are you sure about that?? Maybe you need to work in the industry before sprouting such dumb comments.

 

[Cousin Jed]

Classy thread.

 

[AndSmithMustScore]

I'm asking you did you support the detention of small children for years at a time?

You're justification is that parents desperately fleeing war zones are, in fact, child abusers, thus you have a right to get your rocks off from abusing their children.


I honestly can't understand why stating that child abuse is wrong is such a contraversial statement.

Because these children aren't being abused.

There's Australian kids in our society being truly abused.

These kids got 3 sqaure meals a day and medical attention, there's Australian kids who don't even get that.

Worry about them before you worry about some criminals kids who got dumped on us.

You are truly delusional if you believe it's your right to arrive at any country you like with 4 kids in tow and expect that whatever nation you arrive at should allow you and your kids to just go where ever you like in their nation.

 

[Grin]

are they all fleeing warzones?? Are you sure about that?? Maybe you need to work in the industry before sprouting such dumb comments.

The vast majority are proven to be genuine refugees.

I seem to have offended you with the statement that chid abuse is wrong.

As you said in a previous post. Turning them back and causing further suffering and distress to these poor children is something you get pleasure from.

Does it make you feel like a big tough man?

 

[Grin]

Because these children aren't being abused.

There's Australian kids in our society being truly abused.

These kids got 3 sqaure meals a day and medical attention, there's Australian kids who don't even get that.

Worry about them before you worry about some criminals kids who got dumped on us.

You are truly delusional if you believe it's your right to arrive at any country you like with 4 kids in tow and expect that whatever nation you arrive at should allow you and your kids to just go where ever you like in their nation.

I'm sorry, but locking up small children for years at a time is child abuse. Just because you get some sort of a sick kick out of it doesn't make this particular abuse of children OK.

Again I say: Child abuse is ALWAYS wrong.

 

[Mickey]

The vast majority are proven to be genuine refugees.

I seem to have offended you with the statement that chid abuse is wrong.

As you said in a previous post. Turning them back and causing further suffering and distress to these poor children is something you get pleasure from.

Does it make you feel like a big tough man?

Child abuse is wrong so why put them on a boat?? and yes, I'm tough!!

 

[Richo83]

Thats because you don't have much of an idea Richo.No biggy,probably only 1/2 a dozen posters (at best) who frequent this board ,do.

Anyway,lets see how irrelevant economic managment is after 6 or so years of Swan running the show.

You misread my post. I did not say that economic achievement is nothing, rather I see Keating's efforts in reforming our economic system as one of his crowning achievements. Running the economy well is a tough thing to do, something I'm sure Howard learned after his stint as treasurer where interest rates skyrocketed, and never came down until Keating initiated his reforms.

However, Howard has done little to prove that he is the economic wizard he so claims. I will not put economics under the list of achievements for Johnny as so many conservatives love to do. To claim that economics is an achievement, you have to have done something in economics to deserve such a recognition. For most of Howard's tenure, recourse booms have given us this growth, and plus, much of Australia's economic conditions are out of his hands anyway, as economic conditions are controlled by international markets, especially in the ever increasingly globalized world. For instance as I have said before I wont blame Howard for the interest rate rises and didn't vote him out because of them.

Although I will admit that I have no clue about economics, but not as a result of the claim that I said running the economy doesn't matter, which simply isn't true.

 

[AndSmithMustScore]

Point out to me where I said we should let these people in? I think they should stay out and we should be strict on them. I am merely saying that you don't have much comprehension on this issue other than an un-educated opinion that in no way can be substantiated. There ARE a lot of illegal immigrants here who usually end up working for the gangs that helped get them here, either in sweat shops, or as sex workers and drug couriers to pay off their 'debt'. You missed the whole point that these people don't actually have the money to begin with and that they actually borrow it.

But I guess you're only interested in pushing your uninformed opinion on others, eh?

Wow just like you are pushing your uninformed "all immgrants who arrive on boats are poor down trodden types" and who'd never ever be shonky in any way and not be using their own dirty money to get out to our shores.

No that would never happen.

 

[bzparkes]

Wow just like you are pushing your uninformed "all immgrants who arrive on boats are poor down trodden types" and who'd never ever be shonky in any way and not be using their own dirty money to get out to our shores.

No that would never happen.

Of course not all of them are, it would be ridiculous to state that. However, do you honestly believe that if these people had $34k in cash just laying around, they'd pay some random guy they don't know or can't trust, to get them here? Hell no, they'd stay in their own country or do it properly. It is naive to suggest that they'd fork out that large an amount of money to ride a leaky boat here and risk years of detention for shits and giggles. These are mostly desperate people looking for a better life, which in all honesty, they'll never get if they come here illegally unless they are legitimate asylum seekers.

It may not seem like that much to you but when you consider a supreme court judge in Bali earns AUS12k per year, it's nothing to sneeze at for them.

 

[- PC -]

You're back?

So we can look forward to neanderthal unionists ****ing up our country again and driving productivity down?

Can't wait!

Is it your contention that it was a Federal Liberal party that kept the unionists down while productivity and profits were made in Labor states?

This is the problem I have when people try and use the union scare tactic. With a full house of Labor states I would have expected a great union dominated backlash against Howard to bring this country to its knees.

Did that happen?

 

[- PC -]

Indeed we shall.

I suspect he will follow the Blair path of caution in his first term.

Maybe if the Greens get the balance of power you might see some deals re your progressive agenda.

I think if he wants a second term that this is the way to go

He promoted education reform so he must stick to that.But apart from ''getting the processes'' right I think a steady as she goes will work

 

[- PC -]

I'm here to mock politics, that's what it deserves.

''I allus has a laugh on here''

 

[Dry Rot]

I'm sorry, but locking up small children for years at a time is child abuse. Just because you get some sort of a sick kick out of it doesn't make this particular abuse of children OK.

Again I say: Child abuse is ALWAYS wrong.

So what should we do with illegal que jumping immigrants*?

And what should we say to those* left behind to rot because they don't have the cash to get out?



*All ages - no children were abused in the making of this post.

Written and spoken while typing by Dry Rot, The Kennel, Sydney NSW.

 

[pazza]

I do appreciate he was in charge for what was at times, a tumultous decade of worldwide politics. To do it for that long is testament to his own efforts. But, much like Kevin Sheedy at Essendon, he just stayed too long and lost respect as time went on.

I don't think he's as good as Hawke was as leader.

 

[Financialpanther]

Very astute politician. I agree with the previous poster that said he outlived his time and that was very true. He got a bit big for his boots and tried to cash in on the good electoral results to push some of his own "wish list items" such as workchoices which failed (well any movement that limits the Union's power is always going to fail).

On the whole - the length of time he was in was a testament to his determination and politically savvy ways.

That being said - Rudd gained a lot of respect from me last night in his acceptance to not only talk about Howard as an opponent but to thank him for his civic leadership and duty - that was all class.

 

[Ripper]

I'm sorry, but locking up small children for years at a time is child abuse. Just because you get some sort of a sick kick out of it doesn't make this particular abuse of children OK.

Again I say: Child abuse is ALWAYS wrong.

Most sensible People would agree.

However it seems to be you that tries to make it political.

I can't help but feel you have double standards on this issue.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8380500&postcount=20

 

[AndSmithMustScore]

''I allus has a laugh on here''

I remember that old beer ad from along time ago "I alas has one at eleven".

 

[KevinCat07]

Our greatest leader ever. Has turned this country from s*** to success.

Only commies would disagree.

 

[Chase the Ace]

Our greatest leader ever. Has turned this country from s*** to success.

Only commies would disagree.

I disagree

 

[Richo83]

Our greatest leader ever. Has turned this country from s*** to success.

Only commies would disagree.

I'm not a communist, but you are a troll, you ad nothing to the discussion.