Hypocrisy from both sides

[Fire]

Jeez, these threads about Port Adelaide's history just wont go away.

For those who claim that the AFL is sepperate to the VFL becuase the league has changed, amoungst other things, its name:
If this is the case then the PAFC was established in 1997. Afterall, the club did change a lot from the original Magpies in the SANFL, including, amoungst other things, thier name.
If the PAFC was fromed in 1870, then the AFL is the VFL.

Conversly, if the PAFC is only 8 years old, then the AFL is only 15.

Neither side can have it both ways. The AFL is 108 years old, the PAFC 135. Both have changed a lot since their inception, but they are both the same.
Therefore the PAFC has 1 VFL/AFL premiership.

If this thread somehow doesnt sink into oblivion, at least respond to my post before replying some mindless drivel.

 

[Zeke]

When you say 'Port Adelaide', are you referring to Port Adelaide Magpies, or Port Power?

 

[Count Zero]

The Port Adelaide Football Club is arguably the most successful senior football club, not only in South Australia but Australia-wide.

Since playing its first game in 1870, the club has gone on to win an Australian record of 34 SANFL premierships (up until 1997) including six in a row and achieve the honour of being Champions of Australia on four occasions.

More recently there has been another landmark in the club's history, the joining of the country's national competition - the Australian Football League.

It all began back during April 1870 when Messrs. John A. Rann, George Ireland and R.W.J. Leicester met on the North Parade at Port Adelaide and discussed the formation of a sporting social club for the young men of the district, hence the formation of the Port Adelaide Football Club.

First officials of the newly formed club were President - Capt. John Hart (snr.), Chairman - W.E.Mattinson, Secretary - R.W.J.Leicester, Treasurer - G.Ireland, Committee - J.A.Rann, R.Carr, L.Bridgland and J.Wald (Captain).

An extract from the first meeting held on 13th May 1870 read: 'Members are informed that the opening practice will commence at 3 p.m. on Saturday 14th inst. - R.W.J.Leicester, Hon. Sec.'

The club played its first game on 24th May 1870 against a team known as the Young Australians which resulted in a nil all draw on a ground that was part of the Glanville Hall Estate owned by Captain John Hart (snr.). The ground was referred to as 'Bucks Flat'.

From that first game until 1877 Port Adelaide wore blue and white colours which they changed to a rose pink cap, guernsey and socks with white knickerbockers in 1878.

A further change was made in 1883 when we wore a magenta and blue cap, guernsey and hooped socks with navy blue knickerbockers. But in 1902 someone must have come to their senses, as we changed to the famous black and white colours.

There was no organised competition for the club to play in until 1877 when it was a founding member of the South Australian Football Association. It quickly established itself as a force in that competition and went on to win its first flag in 1877. The club continued to prove its strength and in 1914 created history by going the whole season undefeated and in the process winning the honour of being Champions of Australia.

After capturing three flags in the 1930's, with superb talent such as dual Magarey Medallist Bob Quinn, the club would embark on its next great era with the arrival of Fos Williams to Alberton in 1950. He led the club to 9 premierships overall and in many ways propelled the Club to where it is today. Port Adelaide won seven premierships in the 50's including a SANFL record six in a row.

The tradition continued to grow. Through great players such as four-time Magarey Medallist Russell Ebert, Port continued its SANFL supremacy arguably peaking just before entering the AFL. The club, coached by John Cahill, won seven out of nine flags between 1988 and 1996, making it the obvious choice for the second SANFL licence to join the AFL, which we were awarded in 1994.

In 1997 the Port Adelaide Football Club joined the Australian Football League, in many ways the crowning achievement of more than 100 years of unrivaled success. It maintained its presence in the SANFL through the formation of the Port Adelaide Magpies Football Club, who share the records and history from 1870 to 1996.

On joining the AFL, teal blue and silver were added to the famous black and white, along with a new nickname, Power, to avoid a clash with the Collingwood Magpies.

Cahill was appointed inaugural coach of a young Power squad, led by Brownlow Medallist and former player Gavin Wanganeen.

After two seasons of just missing out on the finals and surprising most of our interstate rivals, Cahill was replaced as senior coach. His successor was Mark Williams, who in his first season took the Power to its first finals appearance, a game it lost to eventual premiers, the Kangaroos.

Both 2002 and 2003 have been the Power’s most successful seasons in the AFL, finishing top after the minor round, however premiership hopes were dashed with losses in the preliminary final on both occasions.

 

[Karbassiyoon]

we need a new board for all these port adelaide history debate threads.

 

[skipper kelly]

Jeez, these threads about Port Adelaide's history just wont go away.

For those who claim that the AFL is sepperate to the VFL becuase the league has changed, amoungst other things, its name:
If this is the case then the PAFC was established in 1997. Afterall, the club did change a lot from the original Magpies in the SANFL, including, amoungst other things, thier name.
If the PAFC was fromed in 1870, then the AFL is the VFL.

Conversly, if the PAFC is only 8 years old, then the AFL is only 15.

Neither side can have it both ways. The AFL is 108 years old, the PAFC 135. Both have changed a lot since their inception, but they are both the same.
Therefore the PAFC has 1 VFL/AFL premiership.

If this thread somehow doesnt sink into oblivion, at least respond to my post before replying some mindless drivel.

all sounds good to me.

 

[Buckley for PM]

we need a new board for all these port adelaide history debate threads.

Hopefully next year they WILL be history.

 

[ExTasDeeMan]

yawn......

The Port Adelaide Football Club is arguably the most successful senior football club, not only in South Australia but Australia-wide.

Since playing its first game in 1870, the club has gone on to win an Australian record of 34 SANFL premierships (up until 1997) including six in a row and achieve the honour of being Champions of Australia on four occasions.

More recently there has been another landmark in the club's history, the joining of the country's national competition - the Australian Football League.

It all began back during April 1870 when Messrs. John A. Rann, George Ireland and R.W.J. Leicester met on the North Parade at Port Adelaide and discussed the formation of a sporting social club for the young men of the district, hence the formation of the Port Adelaide Football Club.

First officials of the newly formed club were President - Capt. John Hart (snr.), Chairman - W.E.Mattinson, Secretary - R.W.J.Leicester, Treasurer - G.Ireland, Committee - J.A.Rann, R.Carr, L.Bridgland and J.Wald (Captain).

An extract from the first meeting held on 13th May 1870 read: 'Members are informed that the opening practice will commence at 3 p.m. on Saturday 14th inst. - R.W.J.Leicester, Hon. Sec.'

The club played its first game on 24th May 1870 against a team known as the Young Australians which resulted in a nil all draw on a ground that was part of the Glanville Hall Estate owned by Captain John Hart (snr.). The ground was referred to as 'Bucks Flat'.

From that first game until 1877 Port Adelaide wore blue and white colours which they changed to a rose pink cap, guernsey and socks with white knickerbockers in 1878.

A further change was made in 1883 when we wore a magenta and blue cap, guernsey and hooped socks with navy blue knickerbockers. But in 1902 someone must have come to their senses, as we changed to the famous black and white colours.

There was no organised competition for the club to play in until 1877 when it was a founding member of the South Australian Football Association. It quickly established itself as a force in that competition and went on to win its first flag in 1877. The club continued to prove its strength and in 1914 created history by going the whole season undefeated and in the process winning the honour of being Champions of Australia.

After capturing three flags in the 1930's, with superb talent such as dual Magarey Medallist Bob Quinn, the club would embark on its next great era with the arrival of Fos Williams to Alberton in 1950. He led the club to 9 premierships overall and in many ways propelled the Club to where it is today. Port Adelaide won seven premierships in the 50's including a SANFL record six in a row.

The tradition continued to grow. Through great players such as four-time Magarey Medallist Russell Ebert, Port continued its SANFL supremacy arguably peaking just before entering the AFL. The club, coached by John Cahill, won seven out of nine flags between 1988 and 1996, making it the obvious choice for the second SANFL licence to join the AFL, which we were awarded in 1994.

In 1997 the Port Adelaide Football Club joined the Australian Football League, in many ways the crowning achievement of more than 100 years of unrivaled success. It maintained its presence in the SANFL through the formation of the Port Adelaide Magpies Football Club, who share the records and history from 1870 to 1996.

On joining the AFL, teal blue and silver were added to the famous black and white, along with a new nickname, Power, to avoid a clash with the Collingwood Magpies.

Cahill was appointed inaugural coach of a young Power squad, led by Brownlow Medallist and former player Gavin Wanganeen.

After two seasons of just missing out on the finals and surprising most of our interstate rivals, Cahill was replaced as senior coach. His successor was Mark Williams, who in his first season took the Power to its first finals appearance, a game it lost to eventual premiers, the Kangaroos.

Both 2002 and 2003 have been the Power’s most successful seasons in the AFL, finishing top after the minor round, however premiership hopes were dashed with losses in the preliminary final on both occasions.

 

[Count Zero]

yawn......

Sorry about that one ExTasDeeMan, but when people snipe, give them facts.

 

[Fire]

Sorry about that one ExTasDeeMan, but when people snipe, give them facts.

Snipe?

 

[scotty13]

Jeez, these threads about Port Adelaide's history just wont go away.

For those who claim that the AFL is sepperate to the VFL becuase the league has changed, amoungst other things, its name:
If this is the case then the PAFC was established in 1997. Afterall, the club did change a lot from the original Magpies in the SANFL, including, amoungst other things, thier name.
If the PAFC was fromed in 1870, then the AFL is the VFL.

Conversly, if the PAFC is only 8 years old, then the AFL is only 15.

Neither side can have it both ways. The AFL is 108 years old, the PAFC 135. Both have changed a lot since their inception, but they are both the same.
Therefore the PAFC has 1 VFL/AFL premiership.

If this thread somehow doesnt sink into oblivion, at least respond to my post before replying some mindless drivel.

The AFL is only 15yrs old, but the PAFC is 130 odd yrs old as is the CFC and the MFC, they all just formed a new league from the previous state leagues like VFL, SANFL, WAFL etc. Us Port supporters are mainly srguing that our 34 flags in SANFL are just as important as VFL flags as the standard in each league was very similar. Correct me if im wrong but the AFL did not become the VFL as the VFL still exists.

 

[wishbone]

we need a new board for all these port adelaide history debate threads.

We sure do, all the stupidity is starting to spill out into the other threads.

 

[Thierry Henry]

yawn

 

[skipper kelly]

Correct me if im wrong but the AFL did not become the VFL as the VFL still exists.

Read answer to Q.9

 

[Tommy Gun]

I didnt realise that the Port Adelaide Football Club changed their name. I know their nick name was changed but not their actual name.

 

[feher]

Correct me if im wrong but the AFL did not become the VFL as the VFL still exists.

the current AFL is the old VFL which was the old vfa, even the good ole afl backs me on this one, read it:

http://afl.com.au/default.asp?pg=aflinfosheets&spg=display&articleid=126470

In 1990, the name, the VFL, was changed to the AFL (Australian Football League) to reflect the game’s reach.

the current vfl only started in 1996 i believe, but it keeps the old vfa history, it is a bit difficult to piece together but i am sure can be done

http://vfl.footballvic.com.au/default.aspx?pg=history&spg=display&articleid=24551

 

[Thierry Henry]

If a name change dosent mean a new league, a team name change dosent mean a new team

 

[scotty13]

If a name change dosent mean a new league, a team name change dosent mean a new team

Agree.

 

[MarkT]

And what about a name, jumper, logo, nickname, home ground, 100% opponent and competition change? Just playing Devils advocate but exactly what elemants are the same Thierry?

 

[Ateen7tee]

And what about a name, jumper, logo, nickname, home ground, 100% opponent and competition change? Just playing Devils advocate but exactly what elemants are the same Thierry?

Name stayed the same: Port Adelaide Football Club

And the Club's base is Alberton Oval

jumper, logo, nickname were changed because of Collingwood...no other reason..

Nothing wrong with changing opponents either....it happens every year in the amature league in which teams are move up and down divisions.

 

[snugget]

Jeez, these threads about Port Adelaide's history just wont go away.

For those who claim that the AFL is sepperate to the VFL becuase the league has changed, amoungst other things, its name:
If this is the case then the PAFC was established in 1997. Afterall, the club did change a lot from the original Magpies in the SANFL, including, amoungst other things, thier name.
If the PAFC was fromed in 1870, then the AFL is the VFL.

Conversly, if the PAFC is only 8 years old, then the AFL is only 15.

Neither side can have it both ways. The AFL is 108 years old, the PAFC 135. Both have changed a lot since their inception, but they are both the same.
Therefore the PAFC has 1 VFL/AFL premiership.

If this thread somehow doesnt sink into oblivion, at least respond to my post before replying some mindless drivel.

Can I asked why you started this Thread.

Maybe you did not read your first Question!

 

[Thierry Henry]

Name stayed the same: Port Adelaide Football Club

And the Club's base is Alberton Oval

jumper, logo, nickname were changed because of Collingwood...no other reason..

Nothing wrong with changing opponents either....it happens every year in the amature league in which teams are move up and down divisions.

thanks for pointing that out to the muppet

 

[skipper kelly]

thanks for pointing that out to the muppet

getting a bit cheeky there son.

 

[Thierry Henry]

getting a bit cheeky there son.

Im a cheeky lad Gramps

 

[Roylion]

And what about a name, jumper, logo, nickname, home ground, 100% opponent and competition change? Just playing Devils advocate but exactly what elemants are the same Thierry?

Geez Fitzroy would have been a completely new club from the one that was formed in 1883 under those criteria

Fitzroy:
- Changed competitions in 1897 and 1996
- Changed nickname/logo in 1941 and 1957
- Changed jumpers in 1908, 1914, 1941, 1947, 1956 and 1974,
- Changed colours in 1908, 1957 and 1974
- Changed home grounds in 1967, 1970, 1985, 1987 and 1994
- New opponents in 1925, 1987, 1991 and 1995.

 

[Grave Danger]

The Port Adelaide Football Club proudly states how many premierships it has won (34 SANFL, 1 AFL) but doesn't claim that the SANFL ones are the equivalent of VFL/AFL premierships.

The Port Adelaide Magpies Football Club formed for the 1997 SANFL season was allowed to share PAFC's history up to 1996, which is why they claim 36 SANFL premierships (it includes the 1998 and 1999 flags they won). They won't claim the 2004 AFL premiership won by PAFC - it's only the HISTORY that's shared.

Probably more than half of Port's 1996 squad didn't make it to the AFL list the following year because they were too late in their careers, and let's face it the gulf between SANFL and AFL standard is huge. But their efforts over the previous decade nailed the second AFL licence out of SA for Port Adelaide - they won premierships in 1988-1989-1990, 1992, 1994-1995-1996.

When they carried on with the Port Adelaide colours, emblem and guernsey in the SANFL they won further flags in 1998-1999 and were runners up in 1997. Most of those guys have retired now and the Magpies are struggling. They deserve to share the history many of them helped create.

If Port had not won an AFL licence they would probably still be dominating the SANFL, although the likes of Tredrea, Wilson, the Burgoynes, Ebert, not to mention Wanganeen, Wakelin and Pickett would be running around with other AFL clubs.

I realise this is too complicated for most non-Port Adelaide people - it's difficult enough for some of us to grasp - it's unique. It's a magnificent history, appreciated by true football lovers. Imagine if it was the club you had followed since you were a kid - you couldn't be more proud.