Hypothetical List Management

[OZBomb]

Hi Guys,
I know there's been a lot of topics on this, but it gets difficult to search through to get everyone's thoughts. The following is my hypothetical end of year list management, based on how it stands now. If everyone else would care to let us know there ideas I'd be keen to read them, as I'm sure others would.

Assumptions

At this stage to do a hypothetical list management you need to make a number of assumptions. Firstly the ladder. For the purpose of this hypothetical I will have the end of year ladder as follows...

Adelaide
West Coast
St.Kilda
Melbourne
Collingwood
Sydney
Fremantle
Western Bulldogs
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Geelong
Brisbane
Richmond
Port Adelaide
Kangaroos
Hawthorn
Essendon
Carlton

I will also assume players general draft number expectations based loosely upon my Best Available Draft (http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=257067) combined with my expectation of where they will actually go.

There will be other assumptions that will become apparent.

* = Rookie

Delistings
Luke Livingston
Justin Davies
David Teague (To me there isn't any more upside to Teague, despite his contract running another year, we'd be better paying him out and creating a spot.)
Troy Longmuir
Callum Chambers
Ian Prendergast
Daniel Batson *
Jesse D. Smith *

Trades
Nick Stevens to Collingwood for Pick 12 Overall
Trent Sporn & Pick 35 to Adelaide for John Meesen

N.A.B National Draft
Pick 1 - Bryce Gibbs
Pick 12 - Ricky Petterd
Pick 17 - Nathan Djerrkura
Pick 19 - Jarryd Allen
Pick 51 - Tomi Johnston
Pick 67 - Pass

Pre-Season Draft
Pick 1 - Travis Gaspar

N.A.B Rookie Draft
Pick 1 - Jake Williams
Pick 17 - Jack Lawler
Pick 33 - Daniel Batson

New List
1. Andrew Walker
2. Jordan Russell
3. Marc Murphy
4. Bryce Gibbs
5. Josh Kennedy
6. Kade Simpson
7. Tomi Johnston
8. Lance Whitnall (Captain)
9. Jason Saddington
10. Dylan McLaren
11. Barnaby French
12. Matthew Lappin
13. Luke Blackwell
14. Brad Fisher
15. Nathan Djerrkura
16. Jarryd Allen
17. Setanta O'hAilpin
18. Paul Bower
19. Eddie Betts
20. Cory McGrath
21. Ricky Petterd
22. John Meesen
23. Adam Hartlett
24. Travis Gaspar
25. Brendan Fevola
26. Adrian Deluca
27. Chris Bryan
28.
29. Heath Scotland
30. Jarrad Waite
31. Jordan Bannister
32. Bret Thornton
33. Ryan Houlihan
34. Simon Wiggins
35. Anthony Raso
36. Jake Williams *
37. Jake Edwards
38. Ryan Jackson *
39. Daniel Batson *
40. Adam Bentick
41. Jack Lawler *
42. Craig Flint*
43. Anthony Koutoufides (V)
44. Andrew Carrazzo
45. Aisake O'hAilpin*

Best 22
B. Thornton Hartlett Carrazzo
HB. Scotland Waite Russell
C. Simpson Koutoufides Gibbs
HF. Fisher Whitnall Houlihan
F. Betts Fevola Kennedy
Foll. French Walker Murphy
Int. Meesen Bentick Wiggins Lappin

 

[Kooley]

just wandering why you would delist batson then pick him again as a rookie?

why wouldn't you just retain him?

it's only second year this year so he would still have another year as a rookie.

 

[bibi01]

where is sam sheldon?

i know this is hypothetical but teague will be there for 2007, no point trying to convince yourself he won't be.

surely we could do better than travis gasper in PSD. better off keeping pick 35 and getting meesan in PSD

getting rid of stevens will mean that murphy gets the no1 tagger or maybe we want gibbs to get the no1 tagger each week. we seriously lack depth in the midfield and getting rid of stevens will not address that problem.

i think its international rookies can have 3 consecutive years on the rookie list
but home grown can only have 2 then they need to be promoted or delisted. if delisted then they can be picked up again but go into the general pool.

 

[SurreyBlue]

Why would you draft Travis Gasper and then not have him in your best 22?
How about him at CHB then or target say a Goddard instead. Has he signed yet?

 

[Effes]

The proposed Meeson trade is a ****a

 

[cfc05]

Didnt jesse smith just play a real good game for the bullants.... cant see him been the first to go on the rookie choppin block!!

I'd take pick 12 for stevens proberly, but absolutely nothing less... maybe even another pick after that - but i doubt collingwood would go for it.

Remember trading stevens will mean more pressure on others and yet another experienced player gone!

id be happy to see de luca go aswell!

 

[mike ockerts]

Didnt jesse smith just play a real good game for the bullants.... cant see him been the first to go on the rookie choppin block!!

I'd take pick 12 for stevens proberly, but absolutely nothing less... maybe even another pick after that - but i doubt collingwood would go for it.

Remember trading stevens will mean more pressure on others and yet another experienced player gone!

id be happy to see de luca go aswell!

sorry to tell you, but dud luca is pagans love child, wont happen

 

[OZBomb]

just wandering why you would delist batson then pick him again as a rookie?

why wouldn't you just retain him?

it's only second year this year so he would still have another year as a rookie.

You only get two years as a rookie.

International Rookies get three.

 

[OZBomb]

Why would you draft Travis Gasper and then not have him in your best 22?
How about him at CHB then or target say a Goddard instead. Has he signed yet?

If a Gooddard-type became available then obviously you would target them. It's almost impossible to tell who will be both out of contract and not traded beforehand so that's a stab in the dark. I know Gaspar is out of contract and has been playing with distinction at WAFL level at CHB. He's also having his contract end this year and looks unlikely to be retained.

Chance Bateman, Michael Rischitelli, Matt Moody, Travis Gaspar, Brendan Goddard, Justin Sherman and the majority of the 2004 draft class would also be coming up. There's a lot more, but without being a player manager or a football club it's impossible to know them all unless you kept meticulous records. I think you'd offer around 350,000 to 400,000 for Sherman if you thought you could get him. Would totally fit our needs.

 

[OZBomb]

I'd take pick 12 for stevens proberly, but absolutely nothing less... maybe even another pick after that - but i doubt collingwood would go for it.

Remember trading stevens will mean more pressure on others and yet another experienced player gone!

Yeah that's true, but the kids are looking up to him for advice at the moment and you'd hate to see some of his current habits creep into the team.

I'd say Petterd, for example, would be close to Stevens level within 3 years, a point in time where we'll be in a position to mount somewhat of a challenge.

 

[SurreyBlue]

OZBomb, I have been calling for some proactivity from this club over the past 3 preseasons to no avail with every excuse been thrown up when we have come up short.

The only way to get yourself out of this mess is to be proactive and get 1 or 2 or 3 players using the pre-season draft as leverage. Players such as Power/Kossie (thank God now)/Bartel/Salopek/Goddard have all been discussed previously without us been able to land 1, let alone 2.

NOT GOOD ENOUGH. Clubs know who is out of contract and when. They should be discussing their futures asap and ensuring they are "happy" and "keen" to make the change come years end. Salopak was there to be gobbeled up last year and we failed miserable. Goddard the year before even though he wanted to come. His out of contract again, hasn't signed and might still have some Carlton in him. Get in his ear now and make sure we get him or someone of similar status come the end of this year.

No excuses, use the system and hurt the basterds that laugh in our face, just like we used to previously. Lets hope Essendon aren't better prepared either.

 

[BlueFeaver]

Delistings
Luke Livingston
Justin Davies
Troy Longmuir
Callum Chambers
Ian Prendergast
Daniel Batson *
Jesse D. Smith*
Trent Sporn (we will try and trade him but will get no interest)

Teague will be retained, he offers alot around the club that supporters don't see.

Trades
Nick Stevens to Collingwood, Pick 12 to Freo, Polak to Carlton.
Ryan Houlihan and pick 51 to Adelaide for John Meesen

N.A.B National Draft
Pick 1 - Bryce Gibbs
Pick 17 - Matthew Leunberger
Pick 19 - Thomas Hislop
Pick 35 - James Frawley
Pick 67 - Pass

Pre-Season Draft
Pick 1 - Micheal Rischitelli= I agree with the OX, this guys going to be awesome.


N.A.B Rookie Draft
Pick 1 - Jake Williams
Pick 17 - Jack Lawler
Pick 33 - Jessie Smith
Just followed your lead Ozbomb, but I think Smith will get a recall over Batson. Smith has had some bad injuries.

New List
1. Andrew Walker
2. Jordan Russell
3. Marc Murphy
4. Bryce Gibbs
5. Josh Kennedy
6. Kade Simpson (Vice Captain)
7. Matthew Leunberger
8. Lance Whitnall
9. Jason Saddington
10. Dylan McLaren
11. Barnaby French
12. Matthew Lappin
13. Luke Blackwell
14. Brad Fisher
15. David Teague
16. James Frawley
17. Setanta O'hAilpin
18. Paul Bower
19. Eddie Betts
20. Cory McGrath
21. Graham Polak
22. John Meesen
23. Adam Hartlett
24. Micheal Rischitelli
25. Brendan Fevola (Captain)
26. Adrian Deluca
27. Chris Bryan
28. Thomas Hislop
29. Heath Scotland
30. Jarrad Waite
31. Jordan Bannister
32. Bret Thornton
33. ???
34. Simon Wiggins
35. Anthony Raso
36. Jake Williams *
37. Jake Edwards
38. Ryan Jackson *
39. Jesse Smith*
40. Adam Bentick
41. Jack Lawler *
42. Craig Flint*
43. Anthony Koutoufides
44. Andrew Carrazzo
45. Aisake O'hAilpin*

Best 22
B. Thornton Hartlett Carrazzo
HB. Scotland Polak Waite
C. Simpson Rischitelli Russell
HF. Fisher Kennedy Gibbs
F. Betts Fevola Whitnall
Foll. French Walker Murphy
Int. Meesen Hislop Koutoufides Blackwell

A lot of assumptions! But I suppose this is what this thread is about.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Just curious about the numbers here. First we have #28 retired for a year, then we have Teague switching to #28 and #33 retired for a year.

No point to switching Teague's number, and neither #28 or #33 will be retired because Prender and Houla aren't premiership players.

Edit: Nice effort though.

 

[Kooley]

Teague will be retained, he offers alot around the club that supporter don't see..

why don't we just delist him and if he wants to hang around the club and still be the good samaritan then good on him.

 

[BlueFeaver]

Just curious about the numbers here. First we have #28 retired for a year, then we have Teague switching to #28 and #33 retired for a year.

No point to switching Teague's number, and neither #28 or #33 will be retired because Prender and Houla aren't premiership players.

Edit: Nice effort though.

Sorry, I was just running out of the office for a minute and rushed the proof read. I'll correct it now.

 

[BlueFeaver]

why don't we just delist him and if he wants to hang around the club and still be the good samaritan then good on him.

The point is even if we delist him his salary still goes onto next years Salary Cap. I'm not against trading on his ability but I think around the club with so many young guys, he would be of real benifit.

 

[Kooley]

The point is even if we delist him his salary still goes onto next years Salary Cap. I'm not against trading on his ability but I think around the club with so many young guys, he would be of real benifit.

i don't see what benifit a slow half back who will play the whole year at the bullants be on our club regardless of his work ethic off the ground.

 

[BlueFeaver]

i don't see what benifit a slow half back who will play the whole year at the bullants be on our club regardless of his work ethic off the ground.

Can't help thinking it would leave a bad impression amongst the rest of the playing group.

What I can't make my mind up about is the Captain and Vice Captain. Lance is a obvious favourite but I would really like to see a longterm appiontment made, ala Sticks.

Whats your thoughts?

Do we bite the bullet?

 

[bibi01]

Can't help thinking it would leave a bad impression amongst the rest of the playing group.

What I can't make my mind up about is the Captain and Vice Captain. Lance is a obvious favourite but I would really like to see a longterm appiontment made, ala Sticks.

Whats your thoughts?

Do we bite the bullet?

it would be great if we had a player ready to step into the sticks type scenario, but we don't have anyone who is demanding to be our next leader.

IMO we don't have anyone in the 22-26 yo category who is ready.
we may be best having lance as captain and in 4 years time have him hand it over to one of today's kids (murphy, walker, kennedy etc)

also football has changed, sticks was a man when he came to the club, these days we recruit kids.

 

[pumped]

Not a bad 22 however I would still have Balackwell ahead of Bentick. Has more pace and more flair. Also think Setanta and Bower are good options for defense next year. Overall a good list though. All we need now is discipline and confidence.

 

[Kooley]

Can't help thinking it would leave a bad impression amongst the rest of the playing group.

What I can't make my mind up about is the Captain and Vice Captain. Lance is a obvious favourite but I would really like to see a longterm appiontment made, ala Sticks.

Whats your thoughts?

Do we bite the bullet?

no one seems to be jumping outa of their skin to be our next captain. No way stevens deserves it so Lance would be the obvious choice. hopefully in 3 or 4 years time maybe a murphy, kennedy or even walker might be capable of taking on the job.

Brett thornton's form this year has been encouraging and he seems like a player with great character who could come in the leadership group and push for the job in the next year or two.

 

[blues4flag]

If out of contract, the club must target either Rischeteli or Sherman, both will be great players.

 

[Jeremias]

If out of contract, the club must target either Rischeteli or Sherman, both will be great players.

Brisbane certainly wouldn't let them go through to the PSD or other drafts, so it would need to be in a trade. Possibly involve Stevens?

But having said that, I can't see either of them leaving. The Lions would be desperate to sign them both, and I don't think either would want to leave.