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Indian Test Series post-mortem

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How many times will most openers need to face spinners on a track like Pune? Renshaw got worked out and worked over consistently by Indian quicks - even on a slow track like Ranchi (Test 3) - and the bouncier track at Dharamsala as well. Not writing him off, because he's young and can work on his game and develop. But there are some obvious flaws in his batting that got exposed. Not as much the case with Handscomb. That's why to me, he's the better prospect out of the two.

Renshaw's age gets him graded on a curve, and I get that. But Look past Pune, which really was a lottery pitch, and it was the first time the Indians were bowling to him, so didn't really plan and attack him well enough, and he was quite ordinary.

Anyway, I don't care that much, he's an aussie prospect, just an observation.
How was he "worked out"? Like what was the method of getting him out consistently?
 
How was he "worked out"? Like what was the method of getting him out consistently?
Starting with the 2nd Innings in the second test, he was dismissed 5 times in a row by the quicks - caught in slips, caught behind, bowled or leg-before. Basically, he has indecisive footwork against good balls in the "corridor". Especially more so if mixed up a bit with short ones. That's not a recipe for survival as an opener. No matter how good you can be against spin.
 
2 thoughts

1) I wonder if the boys who play in the IPL will come home for a bit of a rest, or are expected to stay and train with the team straight away. Seems like a rough period to be away for that long, especially as they would be copping some stick still from their Indian counterparts

2) I really hope the Bangladesh tests come through later this year, I love some mid year test cricket during the winter, especially ot watch when it's dark at night. Could potentially see Bancroft and more Maxwell which I would be very happy with
 
Starting with the 2nd Innings in the second test, he was dismissed 5 times in a row by the quicks - caught in slips, caught behind, bowled or leg-before. Basically, he has indecisive footwork against good balls in the "corridor". Especially more so if mixed up a bit with short ones. That's not a recipe for survival as an opener. No matter how good you can be against spin.
That's like most modes of dismissal involving openers. Sounds like just not great form rather than being worked out to me
 

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That's like most modes of dismissal involving openers. Sounds like just not great form rather than being worked out to me

When any top order bat gets dismissed for 5, 15, 1, 8 - these are his last 4 out of 5 innings - in similar fashion, that looks like an obvious flaw to me. Plus his overall game is limited on the offside as well. We can agree to disagree and move on. I don't see him as a promising prospect unless he improves his game bigtime.
 
Aside from the bizarre return of Mitch Marsh (coming off being dropped with bugger all first class cricket to regain form) and his subsequent injury replacement in Stoinis (an even odder call, but in the end irrelevant on the series) overlooking Cartwright, the selectors did a fine job.

Throughout the series they picked sides that gave us the best chance to win in India and we got pretty close in spite of limitations. People can bleat on about Warner, Marsh, Handscomb and Wade all they like, but the reality is is that they are all in our best batting lineup for the conditions at the moment (and to be honest I'll extend that to be for probably any conditions).

Khawaja close but has all the same flaws that the aforementioned have. Beyond that for batting the only guys who might be a shot (and whose time will come in the near to mid-term future) are Hughes, Bancroft and Patterson. For keeping, Nevill and Whiteman are thereabouts but I don't think either could have done the job Wade did this series at this point.
 
Haven't been big into cricket over the past 10-15 years. Loved this series.
I learned that Steve Smith is a superstar, Roger Federer type personality, gentleman, even though he had some slip ups. Not interested in any moron wanting to counter that with his looking at the dressing room I saw the game and player(s) with my own eyes.

I learned that Virat Kohli is an absolute flog. My opinion of him I thought couldn't get any lower. It did. Complaining about the Aussies behavour after the game, are you for real Virat?

I learned that Maxwell has a future, Cummins will be a superstar. The Australian cricket side augers well for the Ashes, bowing attack will be about the best in the world.

I learned that, love them or loathe them, blind freddy can see that with 1.2 billion people India is a beast of a cricketing nation and the sunil gavaskar series should be treated on a par with the Ashes. When India tour Australia it should be a five test match series.

Test Cricket is easily the best form of the game.
 
Starting with the 2nd Innings in the second test, he was dismissed 5 times in a row by the quicks - caught in slips, caught behind, bowled or leg-before. Basically, he has indecisive footwork against good balls in the "corridor". Especially more so if mixed up a bit with short ones. That's not a recipe for survival as an opener. No matter how good you can be against spin.

So basically...he got out in a number of different ways to good balls by quick bowlers. Last time I checked that was the MO for any opening batsmen in a poor run of form.
 
Starting with the 2nd Innings in the second test, he was dismissed 5 times in a row by the quicks - caught in slips, caught behind, bowled or leg-before. Basically, he has indecisive footwork against good balls in the "corridor". Especially more so if mixed up a bit with short ones. That's not a recipe for survival as an opener. No matter how good you can be against spin.

An opening batsman gets nicked off early against the new pill?? Good god, I am so astonished.

Clearly needs to be dumped....
 
I think it was pretty evident Renshaw was worked over with the short ball. Better fast bowling attacks will continue to exploit this until he improves on it.
 
When any top order bat gets dismissed for 5, 15, 1, 8 - these are his last 4 out of 5 innings - in similar fashion, that looks like an obvious flaw to me. Plus his overall game is limited on the offside as well. We can agree to disagree and move on. I don't see him as a promising prospect unless he improves his game bigtime.
But they're not similar modes of dismissal? They're like all the different ways you would expect an opener to get out... nothing similar particularly similar about bowled, lbw, and caught
 
Handscomb did 2 fifths of **** all for the series and you say absolutely nothing about it. If that isn't flat out favouritism I don't know what is.
Handscomb is 25, Marsh is 33. There's the difference. Someone who is 30+ and doesn't have the runs on the board needs to perform more often than Marsh does.

And I'm a W.A supporter.
 

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I think it was pretty evident Renshaw was worked over with the short ball. Better fast bowling attacks will continue to exploit this until he improves on it.

The short ball was problematic for most this series because of the unpredictable bounce in the pitches. Renshaw has weaknesses no doubt though and as teams analyse him more he will need to improve and be able to counter that.
 
Starting with the 2nd Innings in the second test, he was dismissed 5 times in a row by the quicks - caught in slips, caught behind, bowled or leg-before. Basically, he has indecisive footwork against good balls in the "corridor". Especially more so if mixed up a bit with short ones. That's not a recipe for survival as an opener. No matter how good you can be against spin.
Not that I disagree with you, but find me a batsman who doesn't have problems with good length balls just outside off stump.
 
2) I really hope the Bangladesh tests come through later this year, I love some mid year test cricket during the winter, especially ot watch when it's dark at night. Could potentially see Bancroft and more Maxwell which I would be very happy with

doesn't sound promising, since Bangladesh don't want to host Tests during the rainy season and the Aussies don't want to play Tests since we have some ODIs in India before the Ashes?

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...k=de845ad3e8c3852f6a92b4726995e208-1490860428
 

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The short ball was problematic for most this series because of the unpredictable bounce in the pitches. Renshaw has weaknesses no doubt though and as teams analyse him more he will need to improve and be able to counter that.

I think Ranchi and Dharamsala (where he seemed to get worked over) had pretty consistent bounce, the former albeit was slower and lower but a lot less unpredictability in it compared to Pune and Bengaluru.

But yep he's got plenty of time to improve and counter stuff like that.
 
I think Ranchi and Dharamsala (where he seemed to get worked over) had pretty consistent bounce, the former albeit was slower and lower but a lot less unpredictability in it compared to Pune and Bengaluru.

But yep he's got plenty of time to improve and counter stuff like that.

Also I think he ran out of petrol at the end of the series, dropping catches and playing some uncharacteristic shots. He is a baby in cricket terms but he needs to rise up to meet the level required.
 

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