Influential bands.

[Macca19]

Originally posted by Santos L Helper


Macca, I think your wrong here. The guys from Led Zeppelin were in pretty heavy bands before Black Sabbath, ever heard of the Yardbirds? Sabbath helped to creat a genre of metal.
The big point is that Slayer did not make thrash popular. Punk bands such as Minor Threat, GI, DRI, Dead Keenedys, TSOL, Agnostic Front, Jerrys Kids, Gang Green etc etc, were all playing to huge crowds before Slayer jumped on the thrash bandwagon. Slayer made thrash popular for guys with long hair.

thanx for clearing that up santos!!

 

[gPhonque]

Jeff Buckley, who although was influenced by virtually everybody in history (from Led Zep to Nusrat Fateh Ali Kahn) is now a big influence these days. (have one listen to JJJ....)

Personally, i'm over hearing 500 guys try and sing like Buckley.....but i guess it's bound to happen.

Also, you can hear a bit of Helmet in every wannabe rap/moron/hiphop/metal band these days.

But The Beatles would have to be the biggest influence of all time. Any musician who thinks otherwise would be kidding his/herself.

 

[Shinboners]

Originally posted by gPhonque
[BAlso, you can hear a bit of Helmet in every wannabe rap/moron/hiphop/metal band these days.[/B]

You could go back even further and say that Run DMC working with Aerosmith (????...not sure if it was Aerosmith, so correct me if I'm wrong) to do "Walk This Way" was the first rap/metal crossover tune to make the charts. There was also the soundtrack to "Judgement Night" that matched rap/hip hop bands with rock bands that seemed to open up a few ideas for people as well.

 

[gPhonque]

Originally posted by Macca19
As for Nirvana - they were the most popular band of the grungy style - mainly because Kurt got shot...they were influenced by bands like Soundgarden and Alice in Chains...no way did they begin it - they just got it out into the mainstream...and become arguably the most popular band ever doing so.

No, The Beatles are the most popular band ever.

Also, how were Nirvana influenced by Alice in Chains? Or even Soundgarden?

Try The Melvins, The Pixies, Husker Du, Black Flag, The Ramones. (etc etc etc......)

Soundgarden were from Seattle, and that's about all they have in common with Nirvana. Alice in Chains were a glam rock band! Certainly not a Nirvana influence. From the same city at the same time, and given a label. ("grunge")

Pearl Jam is part of the post grunge era - that followed from Nirvanas ending, same as Silverchair and Live

Completely false - ever heard of Green River? Or Mother Love Bone? MLB were basically the original Pearl Jam (with Andy Wood in place of Eddie Vedder, and Bruce Fairweather in place of Mike McCready.)

Andy Wood died of a smack overdose which led to Chris Cornell writing 2 songs about him - Say Hello 2 Heaven and Reach Down - which just happened to end up being the first 2 tracks on Temple Of The Dog. (whoch featured Stone Gossard, Matt Cameron, Jeff Ament, Mike McCready, Chris Cornell & Eddie Vedder singing on a couple of songs.)

That was released in 1990.

"Ten" was released in 1991.

"Nevermind" was released in 1991.

My point?

Pearl Jam (in various different forms minus Eddie) were around long before Nirvana hit it big. And besides, the only 2 things that the 2 bands had in common anyway was that they were "de-glammed" (a welcome change from the crap we had to put up with in the 80's - which in turn was started by KISS in the 70's....) and that they were both from Seattle. (even though Eddie himself wasn't.) They are the only 2 reasons they were both labelled "grunge."

 

[gPhonque]

Originally posted by Shinboners


You could go back even further and say that Run DMC working with Aerosmith (????...not sure if it was Aerosmith, so correct me if I'm wrong) to do "Walk This Way" was the first rap/metal crossover tune to make the charts. There was also the soundtrack to "Judgement Night" that matched rap/hip hop bands with rock bands that seemed to open up a few ideas for people as well.

I was just going to say it was Aerosmith.

Def Leppard? LOL Somehow, i just can't see it.....

The Judgement Night soundtrack was cool. Certainly opened up a lot of ideas for everybody. Rage Against The Machine were still the first band to really go down that path. Now, every 2nd song you hear is a RATM rip off. Very sad.

 

[Shinboners]

Originally posted by gPhonque
No, The Beatles are the most popular band ever.
[/B]

.....in the English speaking world......

After all, how do you work it out? Record sales? Then someone should find some statistics on who sells the most records in the non-English speaking world for comparison. Number one hits? Then why should popularity be rated simply on the English charts? Or the American ones? Either way, you're ignoring a large chunk of the world.

 

[Shinboners]

Originally posted by gPhonque


I was just going to say it was Aerosmith.

Def Leppard? LOL Somehow, i just can't see it.....

Yeah, I typed it....went away and remembered that Def Leppard with Run DMC just didn't seem right....and then I remembered it was Aerosmith and some quick editing was in order......

 

[Darky]

Some from the heavier side of music :

Black Sabbath - Tony Iommi, riff merchant extraordinaire
Helloween - forefathers of European power metal
Venom - seminal black metal dinosaurs
Judas Priest - influenced bands like Iron Maiden, Helloween, Iced Earth, Blind Guardian in what can be seen as a forerunner to the current power metal genre (fast melodic metal)
Uli Jon Roth - little known outside the hard rock/heavy metal world, but many great guitarists cite him as a huge influence and inspiration. These include Yngwie Malmsteen, Joe Satriani, Eddie Van Halen, Steve Vai, and Scott Ian (Anthrax).
MANOWAR - dunno who they influenced (apart from Hammerfall and probably Pegazus), but I just wanted to mention them cos they rule!

 

[gPhonque]

Originally posted by Shinboners


.....in the English speaking world......

After all, how do you work it out? Record sales? Then someone should find some statistics on who sells the most records in the non-English speaking world for comparison. Number one hits? Then why should popularity be rated simply on the English charts? Or the American ones? Either way, you're ignoring a large chunk of the world.

And i'll be the first to plead ignorance when it comes to music outside the English speaking world. (with a few exceptions.)

Still, I would think that saying that the Beatles were the biggest band ever would be a pretty fair comment either way. Forget record sales (isn't Elvis the top selling artist of all time? ) and remember that we're talking influences here. You can hear the Beatles in EVERY pop band these days. How many bands could Elvis, or any other huge selling artist for that matter, claim to have influenced, musically??

 

[Savatage]

Originally posted by Darky
Some from the heavier side of music :

Black Sabbath - Tony Iommi, riff merchant extraordinaire
Helloween - forefathers of European power metal
Venom - seminal black metal dinosaurs
Judas Priest - influenced bands like Iron Maiden, Helloween, Iced Earth, Blind Guardian in what can be seen as a forerunner to the current power metal genre (fast melodic metal)
Uli Jon Roth - little known outside the hard rock/heavy metal world, but many great guitarists cite him as a huge influence and inspiration. These include Yngwie Malmsteen, Joe Satriani, Eddie Van Halen, Steve Vai, and Scott Ian (Anthrax).
MANOWAR - dunno who they influenced (apart from Hammerfall and probably Pegazus), but I just wanted to mention them cos they rule!

Very well said Darky- but don't forget an influence for a lot of those artists listed: Thin Lizzy.

Those dual guitar harmonies WERE around before Lizzy with bands like Wishbone Ash, but Lizzy kicked it up a notch- then your Maidens went on to influence an entire new generation afterwards.

Madness Reigns.....in the hall of the mountain king....

 

[Shinboners]

Originally posted by gPhonque
Still, I would think that saying that the Beatles were the biggest band ever would be a pretty fair comment either way. Forget record sales (isn't Elvis the top selling artist of all time? ) and remember that we're talking influences here. You can hear the Beatles in EVERY pop band these days. How many bands could Elvis, or any other huge selling artist for that matter, claim to have influenced, musically??

Well, I disagree with the point about hearing the Beatles in every pop band these days. It could be argued that with plenty of pop music, you can hear Phil Spector (girlie groups/wall of sound), Motown (especially the soul influences), or Beach Boys (use of layers of sound and harmonies). It's also a reasonable argument that modern pop music can trace its heritage further back into the blues, jazz, and classical music. After all, it's not as if the Beatles came and pop music was suddenly invented.....it was around well before the Beatles came onto the scene.

Somewhere else, I posted that with the music I listen to, I hear echoes of the Velvet Underground, Sex Pistols (although this is more due to the fact that many of the 80s bands I loved were inspired to get into music because of the Pistols), or Beach Boys rather than that of the Beatles. But by the same token, that's not to say that the Beatles wearn't an influence somewhere along the line.

It just depends on what you listen to and what you hear in it. But as I wrote earlier, with many of the bands that I listen to, names like the Velvet Underground, Beach Boys, Sex Pistols, and Phil Spector get mentioned more than the Beatles.

 

[NYMets]

Smokey;Aretha;Temptations & Four Tops

 

[BT]

Chuck Berry (where would we be without him?)
Cream
Led Zep
Alice Cooper
Judas Priest (turned hard rock into metal)
Aerosmith
Kiss (Inspired millions)
Ramones
AC/DC (Our best)
Nirvana (Turned things on their head)
Pantera
Sepultura (made death metal cool, for a while anyway)

 

[BomberBoy]

Has anyone got Ozzfest 2001, and do ya like it?

I bought it on Saturday - and can't stop playing it

 

[Jerome]

Originally posted by Bloodstained Angel


The New Scientists : an Australian garage band that invented the grunge sound, later picked up by Americans in Seattle.

cheers

I think you mean The Scientists, fronted by Kim Salmon. It was great to see Kim and The Scientists (and indeed The Beasts of Bourbon) get some recognition on Long Way To The Top.

For anyone looking for Scientists gear, it has finally been remastered and re-released on CD. Blood Red River was repackaged and released last year and next month the Human Jukebox will be available.

http://www.whammo.com.au/encyclopedia.asp?articleid=351

 

[SydneyBomber]

Originally posted by Darky

Helloween - forefathers of European power metal

Compared to Iron Maiden?

All I ever heard (in early Helloween anyway) was faster versions of Maiden songs!
The bass solo (I think it's in "I want out" - correct me if I'm wrong) is pretty cool though!

 

[Savatage]

I think you're referring to Eagle Fly Free - Sydney Bomber.

The music is very melodic- but very different to Iron Maiden.

If you listen to the Keeper of the Seven Keys (1 & 2) cd's then you'll get a good appreciation of the band.

The only similarity is having ball tearing singers.

 

[jod23]

Im reading through this at it dawned on me that we forgot one of the most influential artists of all time....

MICHAEL JACKSON!!!

Listening to Dangerous right now....****ing good album.

 

[IAMDASH]

Here are some artists off the top of my head:

Radio Birdman
Black Flag
Bowie
Midnight Oil - new tribute album confirms this
Hendrix
Johnny Cash
The Ramones
Kiss
Phil Spectors "Wall of sound" - Not really an artist but you get my drift
The Who
AC/DC

Great thread Olmy! Enjoiyed reading peoples views and the different perspectives

 

[coxon]

hmm.. how about the rap/hip hop realm...

the most influential...

run dmc.... about 15yrs ago.. these guys probably started it all...

dr dre..... performer, producer extraordinaire... with the greatest rap/hip hop album ever made: 'the chronic'.... not particularly a big fan of this type of music, but this album is one of my favourites...

 

[Grendel]

Originally posted by Danny Chook Fan Club
He's the one that makes you feel alright, isn't he?

Seriously, the Crue weren't too bad for what they were. Tommy Lee was a phenominal drummer, and of all the co(k rock bands of the late eighties, at least the Crue are still going and true to their roots.

true to their roots.

You couldnt have phrased this some other way????

 

[bunsen burner]

The Rolling Stones-perhaps the most influential, they are still widely aped today (Black Crowes anyone)

Absolutely agree. I think they have been more influential that any other band. Not only the Black Crowes, but add Primal Scream, Queen and Aerosmith.

Does Steve Tyler think he's Mick Jagger or what? If you look at Freddie Mercury on stage during the 70's, he also looked like a Jagger clone.

 

[jod23]

Originally posted by coxon
hmm.. how about the rap/hip hop realm...

the most influential...

run dmc.... about 15yrs ago.. these guys probably started it all...

dr dre..... performer, producer extraordinaire... with the greatest rap/hip hop album ever made: 'the chronic'.... not particularly a big fan of this type of music, but this album is one of my favourites...

Gotta look at Run DMC, NWA and as single performers Ice Cube, Dr Dre and Snoop Dogg.

The rest just followed suit.

 

[Hit The Boundary Saints]

Originally posted by jod23
Im reading through this at it dawned on me that we forgot one of the most influential artists of all time....

MICHAEL JACKSON!!!

Listening to Dangerous right now....****ing good album.

Perpertrator of the most unlikely lyric of all time

"Because I'm bad
I'm bad - come on
You know I'm bad
I'm bad - you know it!
You know I'm bad
I'm bad - come on
And the whole world has to answer right now
Just to tell you once again who's bad!


Yes Michael, you are really bad, now drink up your milk, snuggle up with that picture of Elizabeth Taylor, put on your face mask to stop those nasty germs and go off to sleep.

 

[gPhonque]

Originally posted by Shinboners
Well, I disagree with the point about hearing the Beatles in every pop band these days. It could be argued that with plenty of pop music, you can hear Phil Spector (girlie groups/wall of sound), Motown (especially the soul influences), or Beach Boys (use of layers of sound and harmonies). It's also a reasonable argument that modern pop music can trace its heritage further back into the blues, jazz, and classical music. After all, it's not as if the Beatles came and pop music was suddenly invented.....it was around well before the Beatles came onto the scene.

Of course, but the Beatles defined, and influenced, pop music more than anybody else. But they weren't just a pop band, nor did they only influence pop bands - they defined the concept of what a "band" should be. Everybody wanted to be The Beatles then, and everybody still wants to be the Beatles now. The way the band evolved - name me a (credible) musician/band today who doesn't have intentions of letting their music grow as they grow as people. The Beatles were the ideal. And still are. Not for everybody of course, but more than any other band surely.

This may seem a weird example, but it's quite a good, and appropriate one - have you seen the Rolling Stone section each month where they have a current "pop" star list their favourite 10 albums? I don't think i've seen a month yet where The Beatles haven't had a mention. Weird example i know, but it carries some weight - even if some of the "pop stars" in question are part of a band that have done nothing but regurgitate something from last year anyway - they're still a part of music today. (unfortunately.)

My point, i think, is that the Beatles have been an influence over more than just "pop" bands.

As a musician, you wouldn't even have to be a Beatles "fan" to acknowledge their influence, even on yourself.