Injury Injuries 2016

[Sentinel]

Praying that libba is just over the top precautionary and is back before we hopefully make finals.

Bevo said is looked like a high ankle sprain, which I think would be 1 month minimum

 

[TempleKelvington]

Who the hell is our conditioning staff? The amount of injuries we have copped has to be looked at, there is something wrong here.

Well to be fair a lot of the injuries are not related directly to conditioning. Kness, breaks, shoulders, foot stress injuries, just bad luck mostly.

 

[JJHunter]

Well to be fair a lot of the injuries are not related directly to conditioning. Kness, breaks, shoulders, foot stress injuries, just bad luck mostly.

Yes agree - no doubt
But speaking to physios and other medicos at other clubs a knee can we'll be down to conditioning and training programs also.

And u seem to elminitar foot stress issues from being related to conditioning - not so

I've said enough about the red incident and how it was avoidable.

But even look at Stevens - who was brought back too early from abdominal strain. Poor decision that cost him another couple of weeks.

We have also had jj wood macrae Minson Morris and a couple of vfL players doing hammies. Boyd and suckling just this week with Achilles too. Throw in Campbell throw in Adams

Understand a lot been unlucky - but all injuries outside of impact injuries need investigation to determine whether we are putting too much stress on the legs of our players. David young our surgeon intimated as much in recent interviews

 

[compact72]

Yes agree - no doubt
But speaking to physios and other medicos at other clubs a knee can we'll be down to conditioning and training programs also.

And u seem to elminitar foot stress issues from being related to conditioning - not so

I've said enough about the red incident and how it was avoidable.

But even look at Stevens - who was brought back too early from abdominal strain. Poor decision that cost him another couple of weeks.

We have also had jj wood macrae Minson Morris and a couple of vfL players doing hammies. Boyd and suckling just this week with Achilles too.

Understand a lot been unlucky - but all injuries outside of impact injuries need investigation to determine whether we are putting too much stress on the legs of our players. David young our surgeon intimated as much in recent interviews

Agreed.

I think the hard aggressive football is too much for the human body. Starting to think maybe the game plan plays a part in this?

 

[dogwatch]

Understand a lot been unlucky - but all injuries outside of impact injuries need investigation to determine whether we are putting too much stress on the legs of our players. David young our surgeon intimated as much in recent interviews

Can you - or anyone - provide a link to this please? I thought I read a post to that effect and would like to know exactly what he said. No offence, JJS, but I'd like to hear/read the source statement verbatim rather than get a paraphrase.

Most comments on injury management and prevention are just lay opinion which we are all entitled to, but David Young is someone we should really pay attention to, especially if he's prepared to make a public comment on it.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

I think our style of frenetic contesting is part of the problem. Even the littlest guys are at the bottom of every pack.

 

[JJHunter]

Can you - or anyone - provide a link to this please? I thought I read a post to that effect and would like to know exactly what he said. No offence, JJS, but I'd like to hear/read the source statement verbatim rather than get a paraphrase.

Most comments on injury management and prevention are just lay opinion which we are all entitled to, but David Young is someone we should really pay attention to, especially if he's prepared to make a public comment on it.

Triple m interview
When asked if some were avoidable he referred to the way we played having a direct relationship to the outcome.
Paraphrasing I know.
But he isn't the only surgeon and high level physio I've discussed it with

 

[dogwatch]

Triple m interview
When asked if some were avoidable he referred to the way we played having a direct relationship to the outcome.
Paraphrasing I know.
But he isn't the only surgeon and high level physio I've discussed it with

Thanks. If anyone has the link ...

It sounds like the sort of comment you'd want a follow-up question on. A bit of a teaser that can be read a number of ways.

I hope it's a topic getting some serious attention behind closed doors. If there are ways we can do this better then we need to explore them. No point getting everything else right (draft picks, trades, list management, coach, team building, match tactics, skills, etc) if it's all going down the gurgler with possibly preventable injuries.

I remain agnostic, but you have my attention.

 

[ossie_21]

Bevo said is looked like a high ankle sprain, which I think would be 1 month minimum

Looked similar to McLean's injury & that has been 2 months, Libba doesn't deserve to miss 2 finals series in a row but that looks likely to happen

 

[TempleKelvington]

Yes agree - no doubt
But speaking to physios and other medicos at other clubs a knee can we'll be down to conditioning and training programs also.

And u seem to elminitar foot stress issues from being related to conditioning - not so

I've said enough about the red incident and how it was avoidable.

But even look at Stevens - who was brought back too early from abdominal strain. Poor decision that cost him another couple of weeks.

We have also had jj wood macrae Minson Morris and a couple of vfL players doing hammies. Boyd and suckling just this week with Achilles too. Throw in Campbell throw in Adams

Understand a lot been unlucky - but all injuries outside of impact injuries need investigation to determine whether we are putting too much stress on the legs of our players. David young our surgeon intimated as much in recent interviews

I understand your point and I see that there could be something in the way we play, but Libber last night, Wallis, Redpath, Murphy, I don't see how those injuries were down to conditioning. But certainly some of those types of injuries could be, especially younger guys with shoulders where there may not be conditioned to handle the level. Soft tissues certainly can be preventable to a large extent.

Norf was banging on about their conditioning and prep at the start of the year and how well managed they are and how much time they put into recovering a prep, yet, they got a injuries anyway.

I have always believed that you need to do a lot things right to win flags, great players, great coaches, game plan, excellent conditioning and medical. But you also need a decent dose of luck, be that with injuries or the bounce of the ball or umpiring in a tight final.

You can make a lot of your own luck, but sometimes as hard as you look for answers to what goes wrong, sometimes it's just the footy gods have not smiled upon you. In our case its prob a bit of both, but not all one or the other.

 

[jdz101]

Yes agree - no doubt
But speaking to physios and other medicos at other clubs a knee can we'll be down to conditioning and training programs also.

And u seem to elminitar foot stress issues from being related to conditioning - not so

I've said enough about the red incident and how it was avoidable.

But even look at Stevens - who was brought back too early from abdominal strain. Poor decision that cost him another couple of weeks.

We have also had jj wood macrae Minson Morris and a couple of vfL players doing hammies. Boyd and suckling just this week with Achilles too. Throw in Campbell throw in Adams

Understand a lot been unlucky - but all injuries outside of impact injuries need investigation to determine whether we are putting too much stress on the legs of our players. David young our surgeon intimated as much in recent interviews

Adams is definitely one guy that would benefit greatly from shedding 5 kg of weight in the offseason. He's very clearly carrying too much muscle/weight and these niggly lower leg/foot injuries seem to be a direct result.

 

[DogDays]

I know we have a connection to Melbourne Uni - I wonder if the club could work with them to do a study on our injuries. It might help to identify areas that cause stress on our players to help with our shot at the premiership in 17-18

Thoughts?


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[DogDays]

Serious questions - what players do we have left to bring in who aren't injured or underdone?


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[Spectre]

I know we have a connection to Melbourne Uni - I wonder if the club could work with them to do a study on our injuries. It might help to identify areas that cause stress on our players to help with our shot at the premiership in 17-18

Thoughts?


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Unfortunately, academic research doesn't work like that. Need far more lead time to get meaningful results. If they invest in a study now, they might start to get something useful by end of 18. Probably need an external review from consultants with medical expertise to help in the short term.

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

Agreed.

I think the hard aggressive football is too much for the human body. Starting to think maybe the game plan plays a part in this?

I have been thinking the same thing, especially on young bodies.

 

[DogDays]

Unfortunately, academic research doesn't work like that. Need far more lead time to get meaningful results. If they invest in a study now, they might start to get something useful by end of 18. Probably need an external review from consultants with medical expertise to help in the short term.

Bugger


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[compact72]

I have been thinking the same thing, especially on young bodies.

Be interesting to see the injuries vs size of the body and how quick they move etc. The type of injuries

Murphy, redpath, Libba, clay smith etc

Vs

Morris, bont, Boyd, wood, Boyd etc

 

[Snake Livermore]

Possible silver lining is that for all the seasons that the AFL could have had the ridiculous bye week before finals.(surely it only lasts one year), they pick the year when we desperately need maximum recovery time and a chance to regroup. And very likely won't have any momentum to lose.

Thanks Gil!

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Fatigue-related and soft tissue injuries are largely preventable with proper application of sports science and questions should be asked if that's the large cause of our injuries.

But many of our injuries have been impact injuries or pure luck. Sports science doesn't matter if Dahl misses to months because he copped a whack on the knee like he did, or McLean gets a fracture in his foot like he did. We have to put it down to simply bad luck.

 

[Dog Rising]

Mark Stevens reporting Libba may need surgery..

 

[Libba39]

Any word on Collins?

 

[gimp!]

Mark Stevens reporting Libba may need surgery..

**** off

 

[ossie_21]

**** off

Stick a fork in us. Also that Macrae could be 4 week plus hammy:

Check out @7aflgameday's Tweet:

 

[compact72]

The way I take it. Libba & macrae gone for the season

 

[Doggies_13]

The way I take it. Libba & macrae gone for the season

Agree re Libba if he requires surgery but macrae we still have 4 games left a week off then finals so I reckon he will be right to go first final even if it's a 4 weeker