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WCEswift said:
the arguement people make stephenson would get there to effect yeo in a marking situation is also laughable, sure he could get there, but effect him enough to spoil a sitter? nah.
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You just have to laugh at that, he was a good 5 metres away when yeo took the grab out in front, at best he would've still been a couple of metres away and Yeo is one of the best marks going around, a beanpole like Stephenson was never going to stop that.
 
Yippy Yi Yeo said:
Pretty appalling stuff, blind Freddy could see that it was just a trash kick by adams and that yeo was always going to mark it, runner or not. Typical of the commentators to scapegoat the runner though instead of putting the blame where it belongs.
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The commentators were pulling pretty hard for the runner to belong to us - hence the flap they made.

BABOW.
 
bombard said:
The commentators were pulling pretty hard for the runner to belong to us - hence the flap they made.

BABOW.
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One of the highlights of the day imo (a long list tbf). Lingy fired up and was hoping like hell that it was ours before the back of the runners shirt popped up on the screen immediately after and he went back into his shell “Oh, Collingwood, okay :(”
 

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Coasters7 said:
One of the highlights of the day imo (a long list tbf). Lingy fired up and was hoping like hell that it was ours before the back of the runners shirt popped up on the screen immediately after and he went back into his shell “Oh, Collingwood, okay :(”
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Not to be outdone by: "Ooooh, was he blocked? [checks footage to make sure it was WCE who received the free] OH YES I THINK HE WAS."

Hacks.
 
Embley has rustled a few jimmies down at Purple land by saying they should consider trading Fyfe.

I can see where he's coming from though. Fyfe's 29 this year and it's questionable if he will be still around when they hit their next window. If they trade now they get 2 first round picks and it would further fast track that rebuild.

Only problem is with the draft this year being a crap shoot due to COVID it might not be the best time to do it.
 
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I see the logic in trading Fyfe as presented by Embley, but you just can't do it if you're Freo.

Bloke won a Brownlow last year and single handedly embodies "face of the franchise" more than any player in the AFL. They're going nowhere fast (which is part of Embley's reasoning to trade him), his career will be wasted in bottom four and maybe some day bottom ten mediocrity, but it would be a hammer blow to their support and would signal to the fans "do not give us your money, we aren't trying for the next five years". Too many current fans on the fringes would just fall away, you'll have a generation of 14-18 year olds who will have never seen a Freo derby win that they can remember, the next generation of supporters are never picking Freo over West Coast with that on offer. With the Eagles up and about, with the gulf in history and support already, it would be a remarkable step to say yes, we will alienate an entire generation of support because it would net a good draft haul. Kills their off field prospects.

On field; they struggle to retain B+F winners as is, Neale and Hill have bolted. Stephen Hill is a light breeze away from a nursing home, Mundy the same. Assuming Fyfe is traded at the end of this year and Mundy retires, they'll have not a single Doig Medallist on their list. Can't imagine too many sides ever have a season without having any past winners on their list.

Walters on his own with a bunch of kids is a recipe for bottom two year in, year out. The players they rate but can't keep healthy like Pearce and Hogan are getting paid to rehab, not play. Nobody is requesting a trade there, no impactful free agents are picking Freo. It's an on field death sentence to their club for the next half decade at least. The idea that picks alone, without culture/without a way of retaining kids/without unwavering fan support, leads to success has been proven false by the struggles of the QLD clubs, by the Melbournes and Carltons who languished for years. It's far better in theory than in reality.

They just don't have the faith built up after four years of rebuilding to wave a white flag and usher in another five or so years (at best) of irrelevance. The rusted on fans would stay but financially and with member numbers, the club would feel the burn of it for decades. I see why you do it on a football manager simulation, but not in reality.
 
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Walters is no spring chicken either, remember.
Success-wise there's no doubt in my mind that trading Fyfe would be a positive move, but yeah, the support hit would probably be too damaging I agree.
 
Luuuc said:
Walters is no spring chicken either, remember.
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Same age as Fyfe

But ultimately unless Fyfe decided to move on it's not happening. He's also the third highest paid player in the league, so unless the club he moves can accommodate that I doubt with his ego he would want to take a pay cut.
 
kane249 said:
Same age as Fyfe

But ultimately unless Fyfe decided to move on it's not happening. He's also the third highest player in the league, so unless the club he moves can accommodate that I doubt with his ego he would want to take a pay cut.
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HoneyBadger35 said:
I see the logic in trading Fyfe as presented by Embley, but you just can't do it if you're Freo.

Bloke won a Brownlow last year and single handedly embodies "face of the franchise" more than any player in the AFL. They're going nowhere fast (which is part of Embley's reasoning to trade him), his career will be wasted in bottom four and maybe some day bottom ten mediocrity, but it would be a hammer blow to their support and would signal to the fans "do not give us your money, we aren't trying for the next five years". Too many current fans on the fringes would just fall away, you'll have a generation of 14-18 year olds who will have never seen a Freo derby win that they can remember, the next generation of supporters are never picking Freo over West Coast with that on offer. With the Eagles up and about, with the gulf in history and support already, it would be a remarkable step to say yes, we will alienate an entire generation of support because it would net a good draft haul. Kills their off field prospects.

On field; they struggle to retain B+F winners as is, Neale and Hill have bolted. Stephen Hill is a light breeze away from a nursing home, Mundy the same. Assuming Fyfe is traded at the end of this year and Mundy retires, they'll have not a single Doig Medallist on their list. Can't imagine too many sides ever have a season without having any past winners on their list.

Walters on his own with a bunch of kids is a recipe for bottom two year in, year out. The players they rate but can't keep healthy like Pearce and Hogan are getting paid to rehab, not play. Nobody is requesting a trade there, no impactful free agents are picking Freo. It's an on field death sentence to their club for the next half decade at least. The idea that picks alone, without culture/without a way of retaining kids/without unwavering fan support, leads to success has been proven false by the struggles of the QLD clubs, by the Melbournes and Carltons who languished for years. It's far better in theory than in reality.

They just don't have the faith built up after four years of rebuilding to wave a white flag and usher in another five or so years (at best) of irrelevance. The rusted on fans would stay but financially and with member numbers, the club would feel the burn of it for decades. I see why you do it on a football manager simulation, but not in reality.
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Do it Freo!
 
HoneyBadger35 said:
I see the logic in trading Fyfe as presented by Embley, but you just can't do it if you're Freo.

Bloke won a Brownlow last year and single handedly embodies "face of the franchise" more than any player in the AFL. They're going nowhere fast (which is part of Embley's reasoning to trade him), his career will be wasted in bottom four and maybe some day bottom ten mediocrity, but it would be a hammer blow to their support and would signal to the fans "do not give us your money, we aren't trying for the next five years". Too many current fans on the fringes would just fall away, you'll have a generation of 14-18 year olds who will have never seen a Freo derby win that they can remember, the next generation of supporters are never picking Freo over West Coast with that on offer. With the Eagles up and about, with the gulf in history and support already, it would be a remarkable step to say yes, we will alienate an entire generation of support because it would net a good draft haul. Kills their off field prospects.

On field; they struggle to retain B+F winners as is, Neale and Hill have bolted. Stephen Hill is a light breeze away from a nursing home, Mundy the same. Assuming Fyfe is traded at the end of this year and Mundy retires, they'll have not a single Doig Medallist on their list. Can't imagine too many sides ever have a season without having any past winners on their list.

Walters on his own with a bunch of kids is a recipe for bottom two year in, year out. The players they rate but can't keep healthy like Pearce and Hogan are getting paid to rehab, not play. Nobody is requesting a trade there, no impactful free agents are picking Freo. It's an on field death sentence to their club for the next half decade at least. The idea that picks alone, without culture/without a way of retaining kids/without unwavering fan support, leads to success has been proven false by the struggles of the QLD clubs, by the Melbournes and Carltons who languished for years. It's far better in theory than in reality.

They just don't have the faith built up after four years of rebuilding to wave a white flag and usher in another five or so years (at best) of irrelevance. The rusted on fans would stay but financially and with member numbers, the club would feel the burn of it for decades. I see why you do it on a football manager simulation, but not in reality.
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Counterpoint: fastest way to become a trade target / fan magnet is to win a flag. Not sure a decade of mid-to-lower-table finishes is any less damaging than four years of spoons. Also, you're right that high picks alone aren't a recipe for success, culture absolutely matters. Trouble is, Fyfe isn't the culture warrior their kids need - especially when opting for what seems to be a "dickheads preferred" trading policy. Or, at the very least, a not especially leader-heavy group of imports.

On balance, I agree you probably can't trade the bloke without a front office that has a clearly articulated vision and brass balls. Fremantle's administration is still relatively new and that'd be a hail mary play for them.
 
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Counterpoint: fastest way to become a trade target / fan magnet is to win a flag. Not sure a decade of mid-to-lower-table finishes is any less damaging than four years of spoons. Also, you're right that high picks alone aren't a recipe for success, culture absolutely matters. Trouble is, Fyfe isn't the culture warrior their kids need - especially when opting for what seems to be a "dickheads preferred" trading policy. Or, at the very least, a not especially leader-heavy group of imports.

On balance, I agree you probably can't trade the bloke without a front office that has a clearly articulated vision and brass balls. Fremantle's administration is still relatively new and that'd be a hail mary play for them.
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I suppose it comes down to me having no trust that the Freo hierarchy could turn a draft hand into a flag. The team that gets Fyfe could give up three or four years of firsts, but they’re going to be say pick 10-18. Unlikely a team trades for Fyfe if they’re currently in the bottom four, and a team in the mid pack surely gets a game or two better with him added. So let’s say they finish with picks 1 (their own) and 10 (traded in) for three years running post Fyfe.

Do I trust a Freo front office/medical team/list management team to identify, develop, keep healthy and then retain picks 1 and 10 for long enough to make the team worth a damn? With guys like Cerra, who they fawn over but isn’t anything yet, and Walters as their best options elsewhere on the park? Can they keep the gun kids from going back home after three years of last place finishes?

Let’s say the scenario is picks 1 and 10 for three years - are three great and three good prospects enough to turn around Freo’s list sans Fyfe? With Walters retiring just as that crop hit their early 20s? If one goes home so you end up with only five players, is that worth it?

I see it working conceptually, but nothing Fremantle have shown us in the last 25 years suggests they’d choose the right blokes, then keep them healthy, then develop them, then retain them long enough to see the fruits of their labour.

All of that vs the short term hurt (financial, members, on field) of trading their best player and captain? I don’t think they can get away with it.
 
Thinking out loud on the Fyfe thing - I think Tim English is probably the best WA prospect player interstate right?

Would the Dogs do Tim English and several firsts for Fyfe? Probably not, but would certainly move their midfield to the best of the best, and Freo would be getting a terrific local prospect at a position of desperation for them.

Dogs still have some nice backline pieces, with a midfield of Fyfe and Bont leading the way, might bump them up into contention very quickly.
 

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HoneyBadger35 said:
I see the logic in trading Fyfe as presented by Embley, but you just can't do it if you're Freo.

Bloke won a Brownlow last year and single handedly embodies "face of the franchise" more than any player in the AFL. They're going nowhere fast (which is part of Embley's reasoning to trade him), his career will be wasted in bottom four and maybe some day bottom ten mediocrity, but it would be a hammer blow to their support and would signal to the fans "do not give us your money, we aren't trying for the next five years". Too many current fans on the fringes would just fall away, you'll have a generation of 14-18 year olds who will have never seen a Freo derby win that they can remember, the next generation of supporters are never picking Freo over West Coast with that on offer. With the Eagles up and about, with the gulf in history and support already, it would be a remarkable step to say yes, we will alienate an entire generation of support because it would net a good draft haul. Kills their off field prospects.

On field; they struggle to retain B+F winners as is, Neale and Hill have bolted. Stephen Hill is a light breeze away from a nursing home, Mundy the same. Assuming Fyfe is traded at the end of this year and Mundy retires, they'll have not a single Doig Medallist on their list. Can't imagine too many sides ever have a season without having any past winners on their list.

Walters on his own with a bunch of kids is a recipe for bottom two year in, year out. The players they rate but can't keep healthy like Pearce and Hogan are getting paid to rehab, not play. Nobody is requesting a trade there, no impactful free agents are picking Freo. It's an on field death sentence to their club for the next half decade at least. The idea that picks alone, without culture/without a way of retaining kids/without unwavering fan support, leads to success has been proven false by the struggles of the QLD clubs, by the Melbournes and Carltons who languished for years. It's far better in theory than in reality.

They just don't have the faith built up after four years of rebuilding to wave a white flag and usher in another five or so years (at best) of irrelevance. The rusted on fans would stay but financially and with member numbers, the club would feel the burn of it for decades. I see why you do it on a football manager simulation, but not in reality.
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1) it’s absolutely incredible that Fyfe will be their only past B&F winner once Mundy retires, although I suspect someone else will win it this year.

2) the Qld examples are actually not that good. Brisbane lost so many high profile players but have rebuilt through the shrewd use of high draft picks (McLuggage, Neale and Cameron in particular). GC have been rejuvenated almost solely through the excitement generated by their former top 10 picks.
 
HoneyBadger35 said:
Thinking out loud on the Fyfe thing - I think Tim English is probably the best WA prospect player interstate right?

Would the Dogs do Tim English and several firsts for Fyfe? Probably not, but would certainly move their midfield to the best of the best, and Freo would be getting a terrific local prospect at a position of desperation for them.

Dogs still have some nice backline pieces, with a midfield of Fyfe and Bont leading the way, might bump them up into contention very quickly.
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Naughton + two firsts. It’d be a cross between the Judd and Kelly trades.
 
FKASC said:
1) it’s absolutely incredible that Fyfe will be their only past B&F winner once Mundy retires, although I suspect someone else will win it this year.

2) the Qld examples are actually not that good. Brisbane lost so many high profile players but have rebuilt through the shrewd use of high draft picks (McLuggage, Neale and Cameron in particular). GC have been rejuvenated almost solely through the excitement generated by their former top 10 picks.
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That was sort of my point with Brisbane. Retaining players and prospect was an issue, as it is for Freo, and it’s all well and good having a low ladder finish therefore a high draft pick every year, but you have to have some established players there to build around or it can drag on for years in the wilderness. I don’t trust the front office that paid out for Jesse Hogan and went after the likes of Conca and Colyer to be shrewd when it comes to acquiring established talent.

Gold Coast have had a once in a lifetime amount of draft picks to play with and it’s taken them a decade to get to the point where they’re competitive week in week out. Looks like they’re turning a corner now, but Fremantle wouldn’t get the sheer volume of assets they had and they’ve already been pathetic for five years. Big risk to try and follow GC’s blueprint without the remarkable number of picks they had.
 
HoneyBadger35 said:
Thinking out loud on the Fyfe thing - I think Tim English is probably the best WA prospect player interstate right?

Would the Dogs do Tim English and several firsts for Fyfe? Probably not, but would certainly move their midfield to the best of the best, and Freo would be getting a terrific local prospect at a position of desperation for them.

Dogs still have some nice backline pieces, with a midfield of Fyfe and Bont leading the way, might bump them up into contention very quickly.
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