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Chris_6678 said:
Oh i agree but in that article it said in 07 during the international rules in Ireland he was playing up.
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It was one of the 34 events that Gillard wrote about in his report. I didn't spend too much time on it as I don't think Selwood was a true party animal, but it was indicative of the type of behaviour the club seemed to allow in that time.

Part 2 will be coming out on Wednesday, and I think Part 3 on Friday.
 
Tried to find something about that, and all I can find was Selwood trying to restrain that ****wit Fevola:

Fevola can clearly be seen following a barman into a staff area, placing him in a headlock and dragging him a few metres.

Sydney's Barry Hall and West Coast's Adam Selwood appear seconds later to pull Fevola off the barman as a female hotel employee calls police.
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BRENDAN Fevola remained in hot water last night after damning security footage showed him grabbing an Irish barman in a headlock.

Apart from that, the only thing I recall Selwood being involved in was the Des Hedland incident where he was found not guilty of using "insulting language".

Curious to know what Tim Buckanowski is referring to.
 
Tim Buckanowski said:
It was one of the 34 events that Gillard wrote about in his report. I didn't spend too much time on it as I don't think Selwood was a true party animal, but it was indicative of the type of behaviour the club seemed to allow in that time.
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Ah, I see:

Page 22:

Oct 2006 - Adam Selwood - bad off field behaviour in Ireland during International Rules series
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Can't have been too bad if he was invited back for more International Rules tours afterwards.

What we need is for someone to leak the Appendices from that report. We'll never know the full story until then :(
 

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THE A5 said:
I didn't realise Selwood was that decent enough to play international rules then.
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He wasn't. Most of the stars sat out so they could recover in the off-season and have holidays. There were always a lot of B grade players who volunteered to have a free pissup overseas and a bit of a laugh.
 
Wasn't sure where to put this, so it's going here.


Mick Malthouse ‘reluctantly’ predicts West Coast will miss AFL 2021 finals series

AFL coaching games record-holder Mick Malthouse has predicted West Coast to miss finals this year due to uncertainty around border restrictions and how the fixture will look.
WA Premier Mark McGowan last week indicated that if there were no new community transmission COVID-19 cases between now and March 13, his state would open up its border to Victorians.
The AFL is confident the first six rounds of the season will go ahead as planned, should the WA government dial back border restrictions with Victoria — as is currently expected.

But the lack of concrete fixture security has Malthouse — the man who coached West Coast to its first two flags in 1992 and 1994 — concerned for the Eagles and Dockers.

Speaking to the The West Australian about the Eagles and Dockers’ 2021 prospects, Malthouse said he “reluctantly left both teams out of the eight”.
“I am very nervous about the hub life that is a real potential, given the lockdowns that WA has had. I would suggest that if things are normal West Coast at their best will be a very good side, but if they have to stay away from home they’ll struggle to win enough games to beat sides to make the eight,” Malthouse told The West Australian.

Malthouse said Premier McGowan and his strict border policy — which will play a huge role in how the 2021 AFL season pans out — must be taken into consideration when assessing the prospects of both the Eagles and Dockers.
“He technically holds football in a position that I’m not 100 per cent sure it’s exactly his love it and if someone catches a cold in Victoria, then I have a suspicion that both WA clubs will have to join a hub in Victoria, or somewhere,” Malthouse said.
“The West Australian government holds the fate of both teams.”
 
Tugga27 said:
Wasn't sure where to put this, so it's going here.


Mick Malthouse ‘reluctantly’ predicts West Coast will miss AFL 2021 finals series

AFL coaching games record-holder Mick Malthouse has predicted West Coast to miss finals this year due to uncertainty around border restrictions and how the fixture will look.
WA Premier Mark McGowan last week indicated that if there were no new community transmission COVID-19 cases between now and March 13, his state would open up its border to Victorians.
The AFL is confident the first six rounds of the season will go ahead as planned, should the WA government dial back border restrictions with Victoria — as is currently expected.

But the lack of concrete fixture security has Malthouse — the man who coached West Coast to its first two flags in 1992 and 1994 — concerned for the Eagles and Dockers.

Speaking to the The West Australian about the Eagles and Dockers’ 2021 prospects, Malthouse said he “reluctantly left both teams out of the eight”.
“I am very nervous about the hub life that is a real potential, given the lockdowns that WA has had. I would suggest that if things are normal West Coast at their best will be a very good side, but if they have to stay away from home they’ll struggle to win enough games to beat sides to make the eight,” Malthouse told The West Australian.

Malthouse said Premier McGowan and his strict border policy — which will play a huge role in how the 2021 AFL season pans out — must be taken into consideration when assessing the prospects of both the Eagles and Dockers.
“He technically holds football in a position that I’m not 100 per cent sure it’s exactly his love it and if someone catches a cold in Victoria, then I have a suspicion that both WA clubs will have to join a hub in Victoria, or somewhere,” Malthouse said.
“The West Australian government holds the fate of both teams.”
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Mick doing us a solid and campaigning to prevent hubs. I think if we get to June without any major disruption, we should be in the clear, given the vaccine rollout
 
Dylan82 said:
To be honest, it's not the potential of hubs that worries me about our chances in 2021 - its our ball movement (or lack thereof) that gives me major concerns.
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3seasons in and the lads haven't warmed to the game plan one bit. It's almost like we need some sort of major personnel shake up to send the coaching team back to the drawing board. Current plan looks like a dog and smells worse.
 

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Tugga27 said:
Wasn't sure where to put this, so it's going here.


Mick Malthouse ‘reluctantly’ predicts West Coast will miss AFL 2021 finals series

AFL coaching games record-holder Mick Malthouse has predicted West Coast to miss finals this year due to uncertainty around border restrictions and how the fixture will look.
WA Premier Mark McGowan last week indicated that if there were no new community transmission COVID-19 cases between now and March 13, his state would open up its border to Victorians.
The AFL is confident the first six rounds of the season will go ahead as planned, should the WA government dial back border restrictions with Victoria — as is currently expected.

But the lack of concrete fixture security has Malthouse — the man who coached West Coast to its first two flags in 1992 and 1994 — concerned for the Eagles and Dockers.

Speaking to the The West Australian about the Eagles and Dockers’ 2021 prospects, Malthouse said he “reluctantly left both teams out of the eight”.
“I am very nervous about the hub life that is a real potential, given the lockdowns that WA has had. I would suggest that if things are normal West Coast at their best will be a very good side, but if they have to stay away from home they’ll struggle to win enough games to beat sides to make the eight,” Malthouse told The West Australian.

Malthouse said Premier McGowan and his strict border policy — which will play a huge role in how the 2021 AFL season pans out — must be taken into consideration when assessing the prospects of both the Eagles and Dockers.
“He technically holds football in a position that I’m not 100 per cent sure it’s exactly his love it and if someone catches a cold in Victoria, then I have a suspicion that both WA clubs will have to join a hub in Victoria, or somewhere,” Malthouse said.
“The West Australian government holds the fate of both teams.”
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Mick using football as a chance to push politics - something he has spent his whole post-coaching career doing.
 
RookiePick said:
3seasons in and the lads haven't warmed to the game plan one bit. It's almost like we need some sort of major personnel shake up to send the coaching team back to the drawing board. Current plan looks like a dog and smells worse.
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What do you mean by this? 3 seasons in from why? Who hasn’t warmed to it? What is it you want them to warn to exactly? And How does a team with a game plan that looks like a dog and smells worse finish 5th At the end of the home and away season?


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ep2018 said:
You'd expect travelling teams would have exemptions? Piss poor if we have to hub again this year.
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McGowan was talking about retaining the border restrictions for reasons other than Covid just yesterday.

He has shown little to know patience for the AFL, and seems disinclined to provide them with exemptions.

If Victoria has another outbreak and WA closes its border with Vic it will be the 2 WA teams that hub and not the 10 vic teams, unless it reaches a point where all states close their borders to a particular state.

Same as 2020.


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FreeTK said:
What do you mean by this? 3 seasons in from why? Who hasn’t warmed to it? What is it you want them to warn to exactly? And How does a team with a game plan that looks like a dog and smells worse finish 5th At the end of the home and away season?


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I'd say that we underachieved with the list we've got. So finishing 5th with a talented list but a shitty game plan is about right. You can't tell me you're happy with the way we play the game at the moment?
 

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Godfather32 said:
I'd say that we underachieved with the list we've got. So finishing 5th with a talented list but a shitty game plan is about right. You can't tell me you're happy with the way we play the game at the moment?
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I understand some of it, and some of it I think is misplaced.

I think at times we look incredibly good and our ball movement is magnificent, best in the comp, along with bulldogs.

It’s also true that at times teams have been successful at finding ways to stifle our ball movement, either by beating us in the air (Richmond), depriving us from taking marks (Geelong) or using a high press to keep the ball locked in our defensive half (port).

I think people over react about our problems, and put an too much emphasis on coaches.

Our list has had deficiencies in the last two years. If Ainsworth can get a game., let alone 5 games, your bench doesn’t bat very deep.

If you select a guy like bubba to play, of course your ball movement will look stale.

On top of that, not having Jetta and Bunga seemingly being a lot safer with his kicks has a big impact on our kicking from the back half, which I think is what people are talking about when they say our ball movement sucks. Our ball movement forward of centre is very good IMO.



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FreeTK said:
I understand some of it, and some of it I think is misplaced.

I think at times we look incredibly good and our ball movement is magnificent, best in the comp, along with bulldogs.

It’s also true that at times teams have been successful at finding ways to stifle our ball movement, either by beating us in the air (Richmond), depriving us from taking marks (Geelong) or using a high press to keep the ball locked in our defensive half (port).

I think people over react about our problems, and put an too much emphasis on coaches.

Our list has had deficiencies in the last two years. If Ainsworth can get a game., let alone 5 games, your bench doesn’t bat very deep.

If you select a guy like bubba to play, of course your ball movement will look stale.

On top of that, not having Jetta and Bunga seemingly being a lot safer with his kicks has a big impact on our kicking from the back half, which I think is what people are talking about when they say our ball movement sucks. Our ball movement forward of centre is very good IMO.



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True, I've long lamented our poor stocks of young midfielders. Tbh I think our movement sucks over most of the field. The only time it looks good is when Nic Nat taps it down the throat of someone who's able to get clear or we get a turnover and have numbers running back the other way. But what team wouldn't look good in those circumstances?
You say our ball movement looks good forward of centre but how many times do we go the bomb it long onto Kennedy/Darlings head route?
 
Godfather32 said:
True, I've long lamented our poor stocks of young midfielders. Tbh I think our movement sucks over most of the field. The only time it looks good is when Nic Nat taps it down the throat of someone who's able to get clear or we get a turnover and have numbers running back the other way. But what team wouldn't look good in those circumstances?
You say our ball movement looks good forward of centre but how many times do we go the bomb it long onto Kennedy/Darlings head route?
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Obviously our work from centre bounce is best in the comp.

But I also think about Darling pushing up and taking a mark on the wing which starts a chain which often results in a shot on goal, or Liam Ryan splitting a oppo defensive zone with a field kick etc.

Our biggest problem, and it has been identified by many, is safety out of back half, and not being able to get it passed the wing due to predictability. That sits on the ball distributors in the back half.

Unlike Dylan, I think the new rule will benefit us greatly, as a kick mark team. The new man on the mark rule incentivises kicking in to the corridor and opening up the ground, and having the mark move an extra 5 metres in from kick in after a point means it is easier for teams to exit D50 and create a chain that results in a score.

I worry far more about the health of our list than I do about the game plan.
 
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Take a deep dive into West Coast’s prospects for 2021 with our award-winning experts
West Coast will be a threat in 2021 as long as it avoids a hub but that’s up to one man. We take a deep look into the Eagles’ 2021 prospects.


Season 2020 did not meet lofty expectations for the Eagles — or some their star players — as the side failed to win a final.
But can coach Adam Simpson return West Coast to a third Grand Final in seven years this season?

Or will state border wars again take their toll?

Chris Cavanagh’s six people who will define the club in 2021:

■ Mark McGowan

The iron-fisted Western Australia premier didn’t do the Eagles or Dockers many favours last season with his draconian border controls which forced the state’s two clubs to spend most of the season in Queensland. While McGowan has since watered down his restrictions a little, his strict attitude to borders could again cause major problems for the Perth-based teams if there are minor COVID-19 outbreaks in other states throughout the season. West Coast held an impressive 7-1 record at home last season, but only 5-5 away in the sunshine state.

■ Nic Naitanui

As Gerard Healy puts it, Naitanui has every weapon in a ruckman’s artillery – the flipper, the flopper, the dropper, the over-the-topper and the whopper. He is central to how the Eagles play and the club and its fitness staff need to keep him fit and on the field if they are to challenge for another premiership this year. Naitanui played 17 games last season – his most since 2015 – which is hopefully a good sign that injury issues of recent years are in the rear-view mirror for now.

■ Adam Simpson

He took the Eagles to a premiership in 2018, but coach Simpson has had one win from three finals since with a similar-looking team. There is no need to reinvent the wheel, but Simpson will be looking to squeeze more out of his playing group after what he labelled a “bit of a waste” of a season last year after a home elimination final loss to Collingwood. The Eagles looked a little lost and lacked confidence at stages last year. It’s up to Simpson to rewrite the ship this season.

■ Tim Kelly

He wasn’t alone in having a little bit of a down year at West Coast, but Kelly’s output in 2020 wasn’t close to what he produced at Geelong in 2019. The 26-year-old was supposed to make the Eagles’ midfield the AFL’s most formidable. While he didn’t have a bad year, he averaged only 20 disposals (down from 25.4 in 2019) and only 0.28 goals a game (down from 0.96 in 2019). West Coast gave up two first-round picks in the trade for Kelly and will be hoping he can step things up this year.

■ Glenn Stewart

The Eagles’ high-performance manager, along with his medical team, have some work to do as gun midfielder Elliot Yeo continues an ongoing battle with osteitis pubis which has him in doubt for the start of the season. The runner-up in West Coast’s 2019 best-and-fairest count, Yeo did not play after Round 11 last year due to the injury and soreness has forced the Eagles to pull back his pre-season program at different stages over summer. West Coast can little afford for the issue to persist and Yeo to miss half a season or more again this year.

■ Oscar Allen

He’s still only 38 games into his AFL career but there’s a lot to like about Allen and you sense a big 2021 could be on the cards. The key forward lacked consistency at times last year but dazzled when he was up and about and booted multiple goals in each of his last three games, including the elimination final against Collingwood. With fellow key forward Josh Kennedy likely to hang up the boots at season’s end, Allen shapes as the future alongside Jack Darling. But he will also have a big role to play in the Eagles’ fortunes this year.

Prediction after first six rounds: 5 wins, 1 loss

R1 v Gold Coast (Optus) – W

R2: Western Bulldogs (Marvel) – W

R3: Port Adelaide (Optus) – W

R4: St Kilda (Marvel) – W

R5: Collingwood (Optus) – W

R6: Geelong (GMHBA) – L

There’s not many easy games in the AFL anymore, but it’s not a terrible start for an Eagles side that should be flying high this year. The clash with the Cats in Geelong is the main question mark, but the home game against the Power helps in the other particularly hard clash.

Expected finish: 3rd-6th

West Coast spent much of last year based in Australia’s rollercoaster capital – the Gold Coast – and it was similarly a rollercoaster ride for the side in 2020. After a slow start, the Eagles peaked mid-season only to dive back down later in the year and bomb out of finals in the first week. But on paper they are a strong side that big things should be expected of this year.

ROBBO’S LIKES AND DISLIKES
Herald Sun chief football writer Mark Robinson tackles the Eagles.

LIKES

After a restless year in the hub and with injuries, I think the band is back together for 2021 and the Eagles will be strong contenders. List changes were minimal, so the Eagles are confident with their squad. Elliot Yeo back for a full season (hopefully) is a huge plus because he is a warrior and (hopefully again) Liam Ryan gets even better as a forward‑mid. Keep ’em out of a hub and the Eagles will be tough to beat.

DISLIKES

They would love another small forward because they didn’t find a consistent replacement for Willie Rioli. The Eagles get enough of the ball inside 50, but are there enough scroungers underneath Josh Kennedy, Jack Darling and Oscar Allen? Is three talls still the right mix? Probably, because the Eagles like to go long. Age is on them and with that can come injuries, so that could be an issue. But that’s the case for most clubs. Expect the Eagles to be rocking at home.

VERDICT

A contender for top four.

BURNING QUESTIONS
Fox Footy experts Nick Riewoldt, David King, Leigh Montagna and Jordan Lewis join Robbo to give their predictions for 2021 on West Coast.

ROBBO: They’ve been up for a while, the Eagles. Do they have another contending year left in them?

JORDAN: I expect them to be up there again. I think they’re a top four side. They play enough home games to register 12 or 13 wins. They get Elliot Yeo back, who was missing for a large portion of the year. They’re a great clearance side but what he provides is the outer layer in what we were talking about with Melbourne earlier. He provides that X-factor of being able to break through. They’re window is small – this year and next year. Whether they can challenge the good sides like Richmond and Geelong, it’s right now because their players and their genuine stars are getting older.

JOEY: I’m about the same. They’ll win enough games to be around the top four, somewhere between third and sixth. Nic Naitanui is still crucial and Josh Kennedy is coming towards the end, but they like Oscar Allen. Young Bailey Williams might get more games. Shannon Hurn isn’t getting any younger. But they’ll still be a chance and they’ll probably need home finals if they’re a chance to win a flag. They need to evolve their game plan a little bit and I think Adam Simpson is aware of that. They play a lot of back-half football and I think they need to play more front half. They need to lock it in a bit more.

ROOEY: They didn’t have a lot go right last year. I think what they were able to achieve was pretty special given all the obstacles, but they couldn’t get going to start the year. Put that down to attitude, being in the hub and all the obstacles they faced. Some teams handled it, they didn’t. Their midfield was decimated at a really important time of the year and McGovern went out late in the year. So I think give them a full squad and they’ll be right there with the very best teams.

KINGY: It’s too simplistic to say they’re too old because their older players are still performing at a pretty high level. Kennedy is still a dominant force in the forward 50.

ROBBO: They’ve got the three targets in the forward line in Kennedy, Jack Darling and Liam Ryan. But do they need more speed or do they need speed on the game?

KINGY: It’s all part of how they play though, isn’t it? They play a methodical, workmanlike, take territory slowly type game.

JORDAN: The good sides, if they’re not having a good day, they find a way to put on four, five goals in quick succession. It feels like for me, they don’t necessarily have a gear to go to if they really need to add some pace around the midfield. Yeo was a huge loss last year in that area, but overall they need to travel well. If they’re going to be a serious contender and play in a grand final, they have to travel well.

ROBBO: Verdicts?

JOEY: Between fourth and sixth.

KINGY: Wouldn’t be surprised if they slid this year, but they’ll be in the top six.

ROOEY: Top five for me.
 
Good to see Liam Ryan getting 11th in Robbo's top 50.


ROBBO SAYS: Watch the elimination final against Collingwood again and you’ll agree he is a top 20 player. First of the small or mid-sized forwards and the most dangerous of them all.

The Numbers say: Rated elite for contested marks, forward 50 marks, score involvements and goals.
 

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