Intelligent Design or Evolution?

[Hodgepodge]

Which theory do you subscribe to?

Irreducible complexity{} or natural selection?


I have to go with Darwin's theory.

 

[Mario the Lothario]

Where is the unintelligent design option?

 

[Qsaint]

150 years and no one has been able to challenge it

 

[Bartram_Class]

150 years and no one has been able to challenge it

Pretty weak argument, "The Earth is Flat" as an argument lasted a lot longer before it was challenged.

Nevertheless, evolution.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

you may as well start a poll saying "The Composition of the Moon: Rock or Cheese?"

 

[Richo83]

Who voted for ID? Evolution, obviously.

 

[Karl Pilkington]

Darwinism doesn't account for things like art, music, love or laughter imo.

Intelligent design of evolution for me.

I wouldn't be for teaching ID in schools or anything though.

 

[FIGJAM]

I believe that there is an underlying purposeful intelligence in nature, but I won't specifically allign myself with intelligent design as it has been hijacked by some nutcase creationists.

 

[Pessimistic]

I was looking at a website called Y Jesus (interestingly it was on the yahoo 7 or something like that.

Had soem good arguments FOR intelligent design but the website then wanted you to believe all the jesus stuff is true on the back of it.

I kept thinking - even if you assume Intelligent Design os true it doesnt automatically mean:

= That a god or gods created the universe

- That said god is the christian god

- That it is only one god as opposed to many gods.

- That it is the christian God as opposed to all the ihters that people on earth proscribe to.

- That there is an afterlife

- That even if there is an afterlife that only believers (of whatever religion you like) will qualify

Among other things.

Amuses me that Christian expansionists want to take you awy from the 'dark side' by believing in Intelligent Design but would probabaly prefer you remain atheist than believe that a god other than the christian god is that intelligence

 

[evo]

you may as well start a poll saying "The Composition of the Moon: Rock or Cheese?"

Nevertheless, amazingly, the resounding vote worldwide is for cheese.The only argument is which flavour.

 

[Wahooti Fandango]

Darwinism doesn't account for things like art, music, love or laughter imo.

Intelligent design of evolution for me.

I wouldn't be for teaching ID in schools or anything though.

I think Darwinian evolution can be applied to these particular human qualities/activities. For example, Darwin addressed human emotions in; The Expression of the Emotions in Man and Animals.

For the record, I say evolution.

 

[Schism]

intelligent design

 

[Mario the Lothario]

Intelligent design.

Survival of the fittest can only be based upon the survival of the fittest born.

It was designed, before it survived.

 

[Karl Pilkington]

Intelligent design.

Survival of the fittest can only be based upon the survival of the fittest born.

It was designed, before it survived.

I thought Darwin said it wasn't actually the strongest or fittest that survives, but the most responsive to change?

I don't think either option is perfect, but I'm largely uneducated on teh subject.

 

[Mario the Lothario]

That still doesn't change my point Karl.

A more intelligent entity needs to be designed before evolution decides to favor it.

 

[Schism]

That still doesn't change my point Karl.

A more intelligent entity needs to be designed before evolution decides to favor it.

And that brings up the old argument,who designed the designer

 

[Richo83]

Intelligent design.

Survival of the fittest can only be based upon the survival of the fittest born.

It was designed, before it survived.

You assume there's some need for the fittest surviving. Why did the fit survive? Because they were able to cope with the conditions better. Which implies that it was the animals coping and the surroundings which they coped with which made them cope. Anyway, it's not the survival of the fittest, it's the survival of the fit.

I ask, if there is a underlying purpose behind life, what is this purpose?

 

[RUNVS]

This may be abit close minded on my part but i would think less of a person if i found out that they believed in intelligent design.

It would mean that they had completely ignored a huge amount of scientific evidence so they can continue to believe in creationism which has apsolutely no scientific evidence to back it up.

If you ignore scientific fact (which evolution is) then you are either stupid or incredibly delusional.

 

[Karl Pilkington]

If you ignore scientific fact (which evolution is) then you are either stupid or incredibly delusional.

Some scientific facts end up proven wrong.

Science is starting to become a religion into itself, and a lot of people who use science in their arguments sound almost word for word the same as creation extremists.

 

[Mario the Lothario]

You assume there's some need for the fittest surviving. Why did the fit survive? Because they were able to cope with the conditions better.

It could also be pure luck.

Which implies that it was the animals coping and the surroundings which they coped with which made them cope.

Yes, but they must have been born (designed) with those predispositions.

I ask, if there is a underlying purpose behind life, what is this purpose?

Purpose is a human concept that the rest of life largely ignores.

 

[RUNVS]

Some scientific facts end up proven wrong.

Science is starting to become a religion into itself, and a lot of people who use science in their arguments sound almost word for word the same as creation extremists.

Yes but science does change its oppinions based on new evidence which comes to light whereas creationists continue to believe what they believe no matter what evidence comes to light which contradicts their beliefs they will still continue to believe.

 

[Mario the Lothario]

This may be abit close minded on my part but i would think less of a person if i found out that they believed in intelligent design.

It would mean that they had completely ignored a huge amount of scientific evidence so they can continue to believe in creationism which has apsolutely no scientific evidence to back it up.

If you ignore scientific fact (which evolution is) then you are either stupid or incredibly delusional.

Intelligent design doesn't exclusively relate to christian creationism.

 

[H2F]

Evolution is just part of the understanding we have for Intelligent Design.

I believe 100% in ID.

I love how evolutionary purists conveniently over-look the incredible missing link of about 10 to 20 thousand years ago where we suddenly jumped ahead about a million years in the natural evolution curve we had seen previously.

The Earth is a nursery for souls.

 

[Karl Pilkington]

Yes but science does change its oppinions based on new evidence which comes to light whereas creationists continue to believe what they believe no matter what evidence comes to light which contradicts their beliefs they will still continue to believe.

Science isn't one big organisation though.

Anyway, most major churches have changed their stance on a number of issues over the course of their history.

Make no mistake, religion is no substitute for education and science - I just think 'science' as an idea/faith is starting go down the same route as religion.

 

[Mario the Lothario]

The Earth is a nursery for souls.

What the **** are you talking about?