Review Interim Captain thoughts

[tropicaltiger]

Did you look like this: When writing that?

dangerfield is a gun, no probs there but sloane is a man who players will follow him when the job needs to be done... df is more likely to do the spectacular, the impossible but he's too much of an individual and can be selfish and more injury prone than rory, df is always going to have taggers hanging off him too, he aint as smart and likes to clown around and in my opinion players would respect and admire sloane more....

 

[Southerntakeover]

Sure you could, if they didn't succeed.

If they do, sure, you aren't going back.

 

[ftmch]

We make him tagger

Underrated post

 

[Glenno23]

It's time for the change

Its unlucky for VB no doubt, but surely even the AFC can't stuff this one up..... Slippery Pete has it right. The man is waiting in the wings. He's the one who can carry the team on his shoulders. He's the one who can be the inspiration our group needs

 

[StonesThrow]

I'm actually warming to Sloane as captain more so than Dangerfield. Sloane is the ultimate team man. Fearless, never gives up, works hard both ways and likes to bob up for an insirational mark or goal. From all reports from the coaching staff he has excellent and perhaps better leadership skills than Dangerfield. Extremely likable guy too. He just screams Captain really and if it allows Dangerfield just to blossom burden free then great.

The club is very blessed with two fantastic options and the only thing that is going to annoy the supporters is how long they take to make the decision.

 

[Crowked]

I've thought about it quite a bit and come to the conclusion that it has to be Danger. If we go with Sloane, there will always be that Hodge v Mitchell type crap going on. IMO its Danger because he is our best player and has all the attributes.

Danger(c) and Sloane (vc) for most of the next decade.

 

[fairfooty]

Kane sorry I didn't get back to your post a page or two ago - frantic last couple of days in the heat and at work. To tackle your question, the research shows that good sports leaders have the same characteristics as those in the corporate world. Sorry for the lengthy post.

Here's a list off the top of my head of the characteristics of good leaders - which I think both Sloane and Danger exhibit - I just think Sloane appears to be a better on field 'director', more consistent performer, more visionary on field (takes a broader view of the game and his part in it), never loses sight of the end-game, is more team-focused and less individually focused, and is a better onfield communicator from what I've seen. Technically I doubt you can pick them apart.

Things I look for when recruiting leaders:

Confidence by the truckload which they transmit to their team/work mates
'Can-do/never give up or in' attitude
Recognise and improve or work around their flaws
Never demand from others that which they won't or can't do themselves
Demonstrable ability to dig deep and lift a team which is having a bad day at the office
Knows when to intervene and when not to - lets people sort out and find their own solutions
Is visionary and goal-focused - never loses sight of the end-game
Magnetic, not just inspirational and admired
Has a track record of success by doing the hard yards
Fair with a common touch, commanding respect
Behaves with absolute professionalism at all times - no exceptions - lives and dies by great personal values
Great interpersonally - good communicator and listener, knows when to speak- up and knows when to keep their mouth shut
Changes leadership style to suit the situation - steps in and sits back as required
Manages conflict well (this is a biggie)
Shows great personal self-discipline and works hard, goes the extra mile for the team - not for individual glory ( this is where Rory excels IMO)
Leads by example with great humility, recognising their weaknesses
And yes the usual ones - inspirational, motivational and enthusiastic
And the one I've deliberately put at the bottom of the list - 'knows their stuff', good technical skill.

Yes I know this is a long subjective list - but that's precisely what great leadership is - a group of highly subjective behaviours - but if you think through what it is that makes great leaders both on and off the sports field - think JFK, Mandela, Ghandi, Obama, Churchill - then having the bulk of these is what set them apart.

Both Danger and Sloane are great technically - tick. But I think if you run through that list based on on-field performance I think Rory Sloane is the better leader - at this time. But very happy for others to disagree - and as I've said before I'd prefer Rory but not going to die in a ditch if the captaincy goes to Danger. You can still be a great on-field łeader without holding the captaincy.

 

[Wright Away]

[quote="fairfooty] but if you think through what it is that makes great leaders both on and off the sports field - think JFK, Mandela, Ghandi, Obama, Churchill [/quote]

Obama? Reallly? In with that lot? May as well include every elected official ever if you are going to include Mr.Drone strikes.

 

[fairfooty]

[quote="fairfooty] but if you think through what it is that makes great leaders both on and off the sports field - think JFK, Mandela, Ghandi, Obama, Churchill

Obama? Reallly? In with that lot? May as well include every elected official ever if you are going to include Mr.Drone strikes.[/quote]

As expected - goes for one small detail and not the big picture. Wonder who the real drone is?

 

[Slippery Pete]

As expected - goes for one small detail and not the big picture. Wonder who the real drone is?

He has a point though.

 

[fairfooty]

He has a point though.

In your opinion But happy to disagree. I'm not going to die in ditch over one word in a post

I'm just really really pleased noone from BF will be involved in team leadership selection - so few seem able to discern what's important and keep focused on the main game rather than chant for Danger or focus on one word in a lengthy post. Have a critical look back through this thread - the equating of technical brilliance = leadership is truly scarey...

 

[Slippery Pete]

Admit it, the inclusion of Obama in that list was a troll. Admit it at least for your own credibility's sake.

 

[rocket18]

LOL at Obama in with that lot - good troll.

Back on topic, I have faith that the club will do what is so obvious we couldn't possibly stuff it up.

And no it isn't having Thommo or Truck as interim despite the arpicot slice brigade thinking Danger is too young and inexerienced for the job - "he's just a whipper snapper, isn't he Flo".

 

[OldCrowBloke]

[quote="fairfooty] but if you think through what it is that makes great leaders both on and off the sports field - think JFK, Mandela, Ghandi, Obama, Churchill

Obama? Reallly? In with that lot? May as well include every elected official ever if you are going to include Mr.Drone strikes.[/quote]

If we keep away from elected officials, how about Triggy?

 

[footy4ever]

LOL at Obama in with that lot - good troll.

Back on topic, I have faith that the club will do what is so obvious we couldn't possibly stuff it up.

And no it isn't having Thommo or Truck as interim despite the arpicot slice brigade thinking Danger is too young and inexerienced for the job - "he's just a whipper snapper, isn't he Flo".

Listen up whipper snapper, I don't know how old you are but I for one am certainly not over the hill yet, and I would prefer Truck as interim captain. So shove that apricot slice where the sun don't shine, but before you do, and go and send the world into darkness in the process, I have a question about the meaning of life and the universe…I though i'd ask you now while you're young and know everything.

 

[fairfooty]

Like I said - glad you lot aren't doing leadership selection at the club - barely any of you are focused on the main game and most are soooo easily distracted despite the multiple opportunities the post afforded you for discussion. Sad really.

 

[footy4ever]

Like I said - glad you lot aren't doing leadership selection at the club - barely any of you are focused on the main game and most are soooo easily distracted despite the multiple opportunities the post afforded you for discussion. Sad really.

Wuh?

 

[fairfooty]

Wuh?

Sorry f4f - not you - the attention deficient 'whipper snappers' further up the thread who obsess and derail over single words...

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

In your opinion But happy to disagree. I'm not going to die in ditch over one word in a post

I'm just really really pleased noone from BF will be involved in team leadership selection - so few seem able to discern what's important and keep focused on the main game rather than chant for Danger or focus on one word in a lengthy post. Have a critical look back through this thread - the equating of technical brilliance = leadership is truly scarey...

Reading your earlier post I simply can't believe that you recruit Leadership positions and if you do your post comes across that you don't understand the difference between Leadership & Management

 

[Wright Away]

Like I said - glad you lot aren't doing leadership selection at the club - barely any of you are focused on the main game and most are soooo easily distracted despite the multiple opportunities the post afforded you for discussion. Sad really.

If you read my post i took issue with that one little thing in your post. Notice what I didn't take issue with? The rest of your post. So perhaps if you weren't playing a fun game of jump to conclusions and actually read what was posted and recognised what wasn't you wouldn't be getting your knickers in a knot. Sad really.

 

[fairfooty]

Reading your earlier post I simply can't believe that you recruit Leadership positions and if you do your post comes across that you don't understand the difference between Leadership & Management

You're entitled to your opinion - your post actually says far more about you than it does about me and your old ideas about leadership and management - particularly given I'm one of very few in this thread who has justified their position instead of simply chanting for Danger - just hope you never come across me in a recruitment process

 

[Slippery Pete]

Like I said - glad you lot aren't doing leadership selection at the club - barely any of you are focused on the main game and most are soooo easily distracted despite the multiple opportunities the post afforded you for discussion. Sad really.

I think most of your list was feel-good pablum to be honest. I haven't got time to dissect it at every turn right now, suffice to say that you've tried to quantify some things about leadership which are not quantifiable.

Humility and great personal values? Please. Some of the best footy leaders of all time have had personal lives that are train wrecks.

In fact, I would say one of the most important traits in a footy leader is an almost irrational sense of self-assurance and confidence. Ben Cousins and Wayne Carey fit this bill. Both were incredible leaders of footballing men - both had personal lives full of peccadillos.

Personal values and humility are nice. Leading a team to victory at all costs is better.

Your list is ok, it just smacks of modern corporate jargon.

 

[fairfooty]

If you read my post i took issue with that one little thing in your post. Notice what I didn't take issue with? The rest of your post. So perhaps if you weren't playing a fun game of jump to conclusions and actually read what was posted and recognised what wasn't you wouldn't be getting your knickers in a knot. Sad really.

Sad really that an opportunity for discussion was lost by what appeared to be off-topic nit-picking. But I take your point. . Would be helpful to say so next time.

 

[fairfooty]

I think most of your list was feel-good pablum to be honest. I haven't got time to dissect it at every turn right now, suffice to say that you've tried to quantify some things about leadership which are not quantifiable.

Humility and great personal values? Please. Some of the best footy leaders of all time have had personal lives that are train wrecks.

In fact, I would say one of the most important traits in a footy leader is an almost irrational sense of self-assurance and confidence. Ben Cousins and Wayne Carey fit this bill. Both were incredible leaders of footballing men - both had personal lives full of peccadillos.

Personal values and humility are nice. Leading a team to victory at all costs is better.

Your list is ok, it just smacks of pet modern corporate jargon.

Slippery I'm happy to agree to disagree. I'll never agree with 'win at all costs'. But I do agree it was a necessarily highly qualitative list - and I'd be genuinely interested to see others have a similar go at defining what makes a great leader. Agree leadership is not quantifiable except in the most superficial pop psychology way which is why I listed the characteristics in the way I did. And IMO the use of qualitative data is under rated. At least I use some basic research and thoughtful experience which evolves over time to support my position - both here and professionally.

 

[Slippery Pete]

Why don't you agree with win at all costs?