Intermittent fasting

[saj_21]

There is a difference between deliberately not eating breakfast and eating some healthy nutritious meals later in the day (that are portion controlled) to being lazy, missing breakfast and stuffing your face full of poor food choices later in the day that are calorie dense and nutrient deficient.

 

[SHAKESPEARE]

Now I just know I can easily do without food.

Not me.

Love it too much

 

[Kompany]

a warning about a possible downside of missing breakfast.

http://www.onlinejacc.org/content/7...hJZLTKqcYr8tANf9cTDZE2ehbb1ta0n8MzArucD0atn0Z

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/04/22/health/skipping-breakfast-cardiovascular-death-study/index.html

"However, the major issue is that the subjects who regularly skipped breakfast also had the most unhealthy lifestyle habits," she said. "Specifically, these people were former smokers, heavy drinkers, physically inactive, and also had poor diet quality and low family income."

All of those factors put people at a much higher risk for cardiovascular disease. "I realize that the study attempted to control for these confounders, but I think it's hard to tease apart breakfast skipping from their unhealthy lifestyle in general," Varady said.

Some people might skip breakfast as part of an intermittent fasting routine, but the breakfast skipping in the study and breakfast skipping during intermittent fasting are two different concepts and practices, said Valter Longo, a professor of biological sciences at the University of Southern California in Los Angeles and director of the USC Longevity Institute, who was not involved in the new research.

 

[Bazzar]

Valter Longo was the professor who originally introduced fasting to Micheal Mosley.

 

[Not Important]

i have always thought michael mosley is to diet and well being what jamie oliver is to cooking. plays to populism a bit too much for me. that is not to say there is not value in their views.

 

[Gralin]

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/04/22/health/skipping-breakfast-cardiovascular-death-study/index.html

Yeah this is the issue with a lot of these studies.

How do you take the underlying health choices and lifestyles of the participants into account. How do you personally look at one of these studies and work out what it would mean to you as a change of diet

 

[M Malice]

I read this article on Dry Fasting, anybody tried it and what is their opinion of it?

https://siimland.com/is-dry-fasting-better-than-water-fasting/

The reason dry fasting is more effective than regular fasting is that inflammation and bacteria need water to exist. Disease and pathogens that live inside your body will die if they don’t get access to enough hydration. That’s why dry fasting allows the rejuvenating process to take place faster and be more effective.

 

[saj_21]

I read this article on Dry Fasting, anybody tried it and what is their opinion of it?

https://siimland.com/is-dry-fasting-better-than-water-fasting/

The reason dry fasting is more effective than regular fasting is that inflammation and bacteria need water to exist. Disease and pathogens that live inside your body will die if they don’t get access to enough hydration. That’s why dry fasting allows the rejuvenating process to take place faster and be more effective.

Won't we all die if we don't get enough hydration?......surely you don't want to kill all bacteria, some of it is good for us.

 

[Bazzar]

I read this article on Dry Fasting, anybody tried it and what is their opinion of it?

https://siimland.com/is-dry-fasting-better-than-water-fasting/

The reason dry fasting is more effective than regular fasting is that inflammation and bacteria need water to exist. Disease and pathogens that live inside your body will die if they don’t get access to enough hydration. That’s why dry fasting allows the rejuvenating process to take place faster and be more effective.

Fascinating reading. No showering was interesting. I'm going to do some more reading and if as possitive as the article give it a go.

 

[Bazzar]

Won't we all die if we don't get enough hydration?......surely you don't want to kill all bacteria, some of it is good for us.

According to the article your body will produce 1 litre of pure water per day via hydrogen being released from fat cells (Because your body is in keto)

 

[Kompany]

So the writer of this article is Siim Land, an author/high-performance coach with a bachelor degree in anthropology. How reliable or scientific is all this?

 

[Bazzar]

So the writer of this article is Siim Land, an author/high-performance coach with a bachelor degree in anthropology. How reliable or scientific is all this?

He has access to the same scientific information as any doctor, dietitian, so called health coach, juced up weightlifting nutrition guru's or you and me. So its up to the reader to do further reaserch and take it from there.

 

[biggiemediums]

So the writer of this article is Siim Land, an author/high-performance coach with a bachelor degree in anthropology. How reliable or scientific is all this?

It's pretty unreliable and based very much in this guy trying to be a know-it-all guru.

"Hi guys, I'm a high performance coach, entrepreneur, anthropologist, author, holistic health practitioner, blah blah."

I'd advise NOBODY in this thread follow that. It's ******* dumb.

 

[Bazzar]

Next Monday 1st July. It's the month I love to kick start the second half of the year by doing Dry-July, starting with a full 4 day fast then eliminating a couple of foods and habits that have crept in post new year.
I'm really looking forward to it, and highly recommend it for other fasters or those contemplating their first 4 day fast.

 

[Paul Kersey]

Next Monday 1st July. It's the month I love to kick start the second half of the year by doing Dry-July, starting with a full 4 day fast then eliminating a couple of foods and habits that have crept in post new year.
I'm really looking forward to it, and highly recommend it for other fasters or those contemplating their first 4 day fast.

Good luck with the fast - I never got past 48 hours. What foods and habits you looking at eliminating?

 

[Barrysballs]

Next Monday 1st July. It's the month I love to kick start the second half of the year by doing Dry-July, starting with a full 4 day fast then eliminating a couple of foods and habits that have crept in post new year.
I'm really looking forward to it, and highly recommend it for other fasters or those contemplating their first 4 day fast.

Very envious, enjoy it .

 

[Barrysballs]

I haven't been doing IF. Started running for footy season been averaging 70+ k a week. I couldn't physically eat enough in a small window and lost to much weight. Back to a 12/12 split but missing that IF feeling and drive, done a 16/ 8 yesterday it really is amazing.

 

[SHAKESPEARE]

I am trying to do this, but with gym in the evening, i end up eating at 9PM. I can't physically not eat until 1pm

Either way, putting off eating for a couple of hours will be a good test for me.

 

[Barrysballs]

Current Trials - Trialfacts

studies.trialfacts.com

If anyone is interested in joining.

Should be some interesting results from this study

 

[FireKrakouer]

Been into IF lately a going for OMAD some days when I feel up to it. I'm a lifter but main goal is fat loss atm. I have a question for the science gurus re "nutrient timing" and hypertrophy:

When I got into this stuff 10 years ago, the consensus was to eat frequently, have a protein shake straight after lifting, etc. I now know this is unnecessary, but I'm a bit confused.

If the body can't store protein (and some other nutrients) and you train, breaking down muscle fibres and stimulating growth etc, but then don't eat for up to 24 hours after... isn't your body lacking the resources for muscle repair and growth? Or is it able to store these resources effectively from your previous meal?

Apologies if this has been covered extensively already, I tried the search feature without luck.

 

[Bazzar]

Been into IF lately a going for OMAD some days when I feel up to it. I'm a lifter but main goal is fat loss atm. I have a question for the science gurus re "nutrient timing" and hypertrophy:

When I got into this stuff 10 years ago, the consensus was to eat frequently, have a protein shake straight after lifting, etc. I now know this is unnecessary, but I'm a bit confused.

If the body can't store protein (and some other nutrients) and you train, breaking down muscle fibres and stimulating growth etc, but then don't eat for up to 24 hours after... isn't your body lacking the resources for muscle repair and growth? Or is it able to store these resources effectively from your previous meal?

Apologies if this has been covered extensively already, I tried the search feature without luck.

Your body makes 250-300 grams of protein per day thats why theirs no reason for it to be stored.

 

[Sylvia Saint]

Intermittent fasting and weight loss are an excellent combo. I think nearly everyone would agree on that. I personally went from 16:8 to 18 :6 to even the occasional 24 hour fast and have seen great results.

How about intermittent fasting and bulking/maintenance? Seems a little counterintuitive, but then I know Hugh Jackman in the Wolverine diet used IF during the process and got huge.

 

[showdownhero]

Intermittent fasting and weight loss are an excellent combo. I think nearly everyone would agree on that. I personally went from 16:8 to 18 :6 to even the occasional 24 hour fast and have seen great results.

How about intermittent fasting and bulking/maintenance? Seems a little counterintuitive, but then I know Hugh Jackman in the Wolverine diet used IF during the process and got huge.

I don't think it was the intermittent fasting that allowed Hugh to get huge

 

[Sylvia Saint]

I don't think it was the intermittent fasting that allowed Hugh to get huge

Yeah it was more just an example of someone using IF in a heavy bulking cycle.

I'm not far off finishing my mini cut and at this stage I am thinking of stopping IF unless someone can convince me otherwise.

 

[FireKrakouer]

Your body makes 250-300 grams of protein per day thats why theirs no reason for it to be stored.

Thanks for the response. I've never heard that before, what does the body use to create this protein? There must be some resource required?

Intermittent fasting and weight loss are an excellent combo. I think nearly everyone would agree on that. I personally went from 16:8 to 18 :6 to even the occasional 24 hour fast and have seen great results.

How about intermittent fasting and bulking/maintenance? Seems a little counterintuitive, but then I know Hugh Jackman in the Wolverine diet used IF during the process and got huge.

I agree about IF for weight loss, with the caveat is that it will only be effective for people with the minimum level of discipline and nutritional knowledge.

I have made the mistake of recommending IF to people for weight loss who weren't suitable candidates. They think "great, I basically just need to skip breakfast and I'll lose weight". But after skipping breakfast they are more likely to crave a calorie dense lunch, resulting in a maccas binge.

Horses for courses, I think some people are more suited to having frequent small meals.