Is 3 tall forwards and 2 Rucks too much?

[rotto]

With the heavy rotations these days, does too many talls kill your ability to run out games?

 

[chook2734]

Not when one is a midfielder and another can run all day. Murphy is the only real 'stay at home' forward amongst the three forwards, and Sandilands/Warnock can rest in a pocket while Pav is playing in the middle. The Kangaroos are generally a very tall side anyway. I would imagine if the weather is not good they will substitute a small come game day.

 

[Scham]

With the heavy rotations these days, does too many talls kill your ability to run out games?

It is when one of the ruckmen is Sandi.

 

[Freo Dr]

Pav should play in the midfield for the rest of the year and give us a chance to see what Murphy can do. Two tall forwards would be Taz and Murphy or Taz and Kiwi.

Collingwood have no really dominant Ruckman (but Fraser is mobile) and at present only one tall forward (Cloke) - the others are all small (Medhurst, Didak, Davis and Lockyer/Thomas). They all also use really high rotations. If Collingwood manage to do well this year in the finals it may signal the prototype for all other clubs next year who are not blessed with star studded players like Geelong and Hawthorn. Hawthorn also use a rolling zone defence which will probably be copied come next year - they have this year to make the most of it and win a flag while teams are still figuring out how to play against it.

 

[rgauci]

Hawthorn having been playing a rolling zone defence since Neil Craig invented it in his debut year as coach for the crows.

The year they were expected to finish bottom four and were called the crowbots after 11 or so rounds.

Its nothing new, and its a Neil Craig coaching master piece which has been adopted by the Hawks several years ago.

I think Mick Malthouse has taken another step and designed a prototype game plan which was unveiled last year. Its clearly harder to copy otherwise we would have several teams doing it this year.

On topic though, 3 tall forwards and 2 ruckman is far too tall a team to play on Subiaco Oval. We need to consolidate our home ground advantage again. Something we've seem to have forgotten about. I'd be playing 2 ruckman and 2 tall forwards. Clearly Sandilands is posing some headaches for opposition coaches when he goes forward. Having Sandilands, Warnock, Tarrant and Pav makes us far too tall up front. The ball will be coming out far too fast, which at Subi is particularly important.

 

[SupersonicDocker]

Im not worried. It seems pretty obvious Pavlich is going to spend alot of time in the middle of the ground on saturday...

Could be the beginning of "Plan Increase Murphy's Trade Worth"

Highly doubt he will be at fremantle next year...

 

[Scham]

Hawthorn having been playing a rolling zone defence since Neil Craig invented it in his debut year as coach for the crows.

The year they were expected to finish bottom four and were called the crowbots after 11 or so rounds.

Its nothing new, and its a Neil Craig coaching master piece which has been adopted by the Hawks several years ago.

I think Mick Malthouse has taken another step and designed a prototype game plan which was unveiled last year. Its clearly harder to copy otherwise we would have several teams doing it this year.

On topic though, 3 tall forwards and 2 ruckman is far too tall a team to play on Subiaco Oval. We need to consolidate our home ground advantage again. Something we've seem to have forgotten about. I'd be playing 2 ruckman and 2 tall forwards. Clearly Sandilands is posing some headaches for opposition coaches when he goes forward. Having Sandilands, Warnock, Tarrant and Pav makes us far too tall up front. The ball will be coming out far too fast, which at Subi is particularly important.

The bulldogs are playing a very similar game plan to the Pies so its debatable whether its Mick's style or Rodney's.

Also on the forward structure debate, the Bulldogs have been playing a miniture forward line to good effect for two years now. The difference this year is that they aren't relying on Jonno to do all the work.

 

[Belnakor]

Pav should play in the midfield for the rest of the year and give us a chance to see what Murphy can do. Two tall forwards would be Taz and Murphy or Taz and Kiwi.

jesus christ - Murphy has already been given 35 games and the answer is: he can't do ____ing much.

 

[rotto]

If we have 3 tall forwards how do you think we should structure up?

 

[PapaJ]

Hawthorn having been playing a rolling zone defence since Neil Craig invented it in his debut year as coach for the crows.

The year they were expected to finish bottom four and were called the crowbots after 11 or so rounds.

Its nothing new, and its a Neil Craig coaching master piece which has been adopted by the Hawks several years ago.

I think Mick Malthouse has taken another step and designed a prototype game plan which was unveiled last year. Its clearly harder to copy otherwise we would have several teams doing it this year.

On topic though, 3 tall forwards and 2 ruckman is far too tall a team to play on Subiaco Oval. We need to consolidate our home ground advantage again. Something we've seem to have forgotten about. I'd be playing 2 ruckman and 2 tall forwards. Clearly Sandilands is posing some headaches for opposition coaches when he goes forward. Having Sandilands, Warnock, Tarrant and Pav makes us far too tall up front. The ball will be coming out far too fast, which at Subi is particularly important.

Agree about the Craig thing, he is one of the best tactical coaches around without a doubt for mine. The small forward set up by Mick ins't that revolutionary as someone else said, but the amount of rotation through the midfield that they do seems a step up from anything I've seen before - it's a case of what works with your team. The disciplined zone thing is something that most teams can do, the small fwd thing needs the right cattle.

On topic, I distinctly remember Harvs saying that it's unlikely he will play two big ruckmen at Subi oval again (or something to that effect) after the Tigers game I think, he's obviously had a re-think. The thing about Warnock is he is reasonably quick and, for his size, quite nimble and Sandi as a deep fwd in short bursts is proving dangerous, so why not? The important thing is short burst though, because just about everybody in the league can run away from Sandi and that is the big problem with him in the fwd line.

 

[Belnakor]

I think the big turn around has been Sandi's marking this year - he is actually now a threat in attack whereas before he was useless.

 

[Dyslexic Emo]

now he just needs to work onhis kicking and actually consolidate to hurt the opposition

 

[Chops_a_must]

jesus christ - Murphy has already been given 35 games and the answer is: he can't do ____ing much.

Pfft.

If he could play in the league team like he did in 2006, he'd never be dropped. But for whatever reason he can't.

A decent list manager, which Cuddles wasn't, would have been able to recognise Murphy was superfluous after 06 with Tarrant, and moved him on so we could get something for him. The more I think about it, the more I think they weren't more foreceful about it in case Tarrant never came good after surgery.