Is Fraser finished?

[TradeDraft]

This season he has been Terrible. Kicking is way off and his Rucking well we all know what that is Like.

He's Injuries have looked to Destroyed his Body and Can't do what he use to do.

Think we should look at Trading Josh at seasons End.

 

[Lockyer24]

Re: is Fraser Finshed?

Wood's prospects of a game are looking good if he can get a kick in the VFL.

 

[Rohan25]

Re: is Fraser Finshed?

This season he has been Terrible. Kicking is way off and his Rucking well we all know what that is Like.

He's Injuries have looked to Destroyed his Body and Can't do what he use to do.

Think we should look at Trading Josh at seasons End.

Yes, the ball is in Cameron Wood's court now. If he wants a job, it's there for the taking.

I think the "trading Josh" ship has sailed unfortunately.

 

[Thommo 42]

Re: is Fraser Finshed?

does this mean Jolly is finished too?

He hasn't been much better...

Hard to get a hitout when the other side is going third man up every contest.

 

[Frankie23]

Re: is Fraser Finshed?

He isn't finished, I think he has a lot to offer the team.

However, he has to be dropped to the reserves next week. Unfortunately his form has been average, and last night he was very poor.

He needs to find some form in the VFL. Play forward and ruck, kick a few goals and then come back to the 1sts in a few weeks time.

 

[Spoony]

Re: is Fraser Finshed?

I think that even last year wood was almost at the point where he was a better tap ruckman that Fraser.

I don't think that you can say Fraser is finished but it is begining to look like it might be time if wood plays well in VFL for Fraser to spend some time there.

 

[Thommo 42]

Re: is Fraser Finshed?

I think you need to apply your judgement of players consistently. Based on that, you couldn't drop Fraser and retain Jolly, unless Wood does something good to deserve promotion.

If Fraser was rucking as much as Jolly, his disposal numbers would be higher and he would be getting more hitouts. You could justify dropping Fraser if Jolly could hold down the ruck spot, but on form so far, he can't.

 

[knightwheelrqr]

Not a strong start to the season for Joshy. Will be given atleast another 1-2 weeks to get into rhythm while Wood gets back into things.

Jolly should be given a greater % of time as no.1 ruckman as he did at Sydney. Plays his best footy when playing 85% time in ruck. Josh when in the side should be used primarily as a forward as a 3rd tall up forward with just the minor minutes relieving Jolly in the ruck.

I'm still thinking that Fraser is the better ruck partner for Jolly as he has greater mobility and ability at ground level and around the ground but he could possibly do with a few games in the reserves if Wood hits some good form and Fraser doesn't pick up his level of play.

Eventually I can see the combo becoming Jolly/ Wood as no.1 with McNamara backing up and spending the majority of the game as a key target up forward.

 

[TradeDraft]

Re: is Fraser Finshed?

I think you need to apply your judgement of players consistently. Based on that, you couldn't drop Fraser and retain Jolly, unless Wood does something good to deserve promotion.

If Fraser was rucking as much as Jolly, his disposal numbers would be higher and he would be getting more hitouts. You could justify dropping Fraser if Jolly could hold down the ruck spot, but on form so far, he can't.

Least Last night Jolly kicked 2 Goals and had a Bit of a Impact but I did not even Notice Josh

 

[the_fresh]

Re: is Fraser Finshed?

Never really started.

Has been over-rated since he came to the club.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Re: is Fraser Finshed?

If Fraser was rucking as much as Jolly, his disposal numbers would be higher and he would be getting more hitouts. You could justify dropping Fraser if Jolly could hold down the ruck spot, but on form so far, he can't.

Yeah, but if my grandma had wheels she'd be a trolley.

Josh is no longer our ruckman. He is a forward who spends time in the ruck. He has said as much himself in interviews, primarily when discussing his reaction to the recruitment of Jolly. At first he was affronted, but after thinking about it and discussion with his manager, he decided it was a challenge for him and would allow him to play the position he always wanted to play, without taking as much of a toll on his body.

He has to be measured now not against Jolly or Wood, but against other forwards who can spend time in the ruck. That means he's competing against Leigh Brown, which may be the reason why he's still in the team. However he's also competing against Chris Dawes, which on current form should soon result in MM having to make another "toughest decision of the past couple of years" in seeing how Fraser responds to being dropped.

Fraser is now a forward, but a forward who has kicked 1 goal, and taken 9 marks in four games this season. Not good enough.

 

[1eon]

Re: is Fraser Finshed?

Could Josh be used on the wing?

 

[pongo_3931]

Re: is Fraser Finshed?

Yeah, but if my grandma had wheels she'd be a trolley.

Josh is no longer our ruckman. He is a forward who spends time in the ruck. He has said as much himself in interviews, primarily when discussing his reaction to the recruitment of Jolly. At first he was affronted, but after thinking about it and discussion with his manager, he decided it was a challenge for him and would allow him to play the position he always wanted to play, without taking as much of a toll on his body.

He has to be measured now not against Jolly or Wood, but against other forwards who can spend time in the ruck. That means he's competing against Leigh Brown, which may be the reason why he's still in the team. However he's also competing against Chris Dawes, which on current form should soon result in MM having to make another "toughest decision of the past couple of years" in seeing how Fraser responds to being dropped.

Fraser is now a forward, but a forward who has kicked 1 goal, and taken 9 marks in four games this season. Not good enough.

Spot on Samples.

 

[Zahki]

Re: is Fraser Finshed?

If Fraser doesn't shape up very, very soon he's as good as gone. He's got to adapt to not being the main ruck and so far he has been absolutely shocking, he has fumbled, caused turnovers and generally been useless. Not even one eyed Mick could justify keeping him in the team at this rate.

 

[Mars II]

Re: is Fraser Finshed?

jolly and fraser have been atrocious together imo. i prefered last years system were fraser or wood rucked the whole game with a bit of help by leroy.

 

[Thommo 42]

Re: is Fraser Finshed?

Yeah, but if my grandma had wheels she'd be a trolley.

Josh is no longer our ruckman. He is a forward who spends time in the ruck. He has said as much himself in interviews, primarily when discussing his reaction to the recruitment of Jolly. At first he was affronted, but after thinking about it and discussion with his manager, he decided it was a challenge for him and would allow him to play the position he always wanted to play, without taking as much of a toll on his body.

He has to be measured now not against Jolly or Wood, but against other forwards who can spend time in the ruck. That means he's competing against Leigh Brown, which may be the reason why he's still in the team. However he's also competing against Chris Dawes, which on current form should soon result in MM having to make another "toughest decision of the past couple of years" in seeing how Fraser responds to being dropped.

Fraser is now a forward, but a forward who has kicked 1 goal, and taken 9 marks in four games this season. Not good enough.

But do you recruit a ruckman because for years you have had a ruckman having to go it alone, then after 4 poor games from your primary ruckman, respond by replacing his supporting ruck with a 21 year old forward who has zero credentials as a ruckman?

Josh in my view is still rucking too often, and is caught in no mans land. He is rucking too often because our primary ruckman isn't doing his job in the ruck and also being exposed a bit around the ground (Jamar and Hudson noticeably smashed him around the ground as well as in the ruck).

Further, last night - both Fraser and Jolly when rucking were often victim to a 3rd man up and their hitout stats were down as a result.

Unless Wood does something good in the 2's, it's far too early to be dropping Fraser and weakening our struggling ruck department further by playing Dawes or Brown in the ruck.

 

[the_fresh]

Re: is Fraser Finshed?

Could Josh be used on the wing?

He will be when Wood comes back

 

[MarkT2]

Fraser isn't good enough at anything. He doesn't have a spot in the team. It isn't form it is his career.

 

[Wooljay]

If Fraser could actually keep his feet, and hold onto the goddamn ball - he'd be just fine.

 

[PieBeast]

Fraser isn't good enough at anything. He doesn't have a spot in the team. It isn't form it is his career.

This

 

[jerry springer]

was finished two years ago unfortunately

 

[magpie10]

Could Josh be used on the wing?

No way, he's weak in the marking contest, and makes stupid decisions with the ball. When the ball hits the deck, he's gone.

Josh's best is quite good, but he hasn't been consistent for years and unless he can improve considerably in the next few weeks, his spot in the side will come under serious question, especially if Wood puts in some decent performances for the twos.

Last night from Jolly we started to see signs of why we gave up pick 14 for him. While he was far from our best, I thought he did quite well around the ground, chipping in with 2 goals and several clearances. Give him time though, he's only had 4 matches with our current side and will only improve as he gets used to our style of play.

 

[Blur]

He was woeful last night. He couldn't kick goals, or even kick to a team mate. At one point in the match, his kick fell very short of a player on the run and it trickled out of bounds. He was very annoyed at himself, but it's occuring more and more these days. Not good to see from a faithful player like him, but if Wood can get back into the VFL, I would prefer him in.

 

[daics_35]

I used to be a big fan of fraiser but what has happened to him, he is dropping absoloute sitters and his kicking is discraseful. I dont think he is past it because if he was he would struggle with his fitness and would be slow. Its just the basic skills he cant even take a chest mark no more i think he should go in the vfl we are better of with one ruckman against essendon he would be a waste of space on the field.

 

[TradeDraft]

Re: is Fraser Finshed?

He has to be measured now not against Jolly or Wood, but against other forwards who can spend time in the ruck. That means he's competing against Leigh Brown, which may be the reason why he's still in the team. However he's also competing against Chris Dawes, which on current form should soon result in MM having to make another "toughest decision of the past couple of years" in seeing how Fraser responds to being dropped.

Fraser is now a forward, but a forward who has kicked 1 goal, and taken 9 marks in four games this season. Not good enough.

That could help Fraser getting dropped as he can learn in the VFL not the AFL playing Forward