Is Ian Perrie the answer at CHF?

[macca23]

now really boys, are you sure that i'm female

Please don't tell me that you're really Nicholas Noo!!

 

[NikkiNoo]

awww did i scare you boys. I think there have been some very obvious give aways that I am female, but you can never be to careful on the internet

 

[- PC -]

I will state here and now I am not a fan of Perrie , my feeling is he hears footsteps. But I will not pass judgement on what should or shouldnt be done on a lot of the group this year , as i feel a lot were stunted under Ayres. So I will sit back and watch for improvement this year and if they dont then expect a bollocking.

By all reports he and a few others are really putting in the work required and that can only be a good thing

Bring it on already

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I will state here and now I am not a fan of Perrie , my feeling is he hears footsteps. But I will not pass judgement on what should or shouldnt be done on a lot of the group this year , as i feel a lot were stunted under Ayres. So I will sit back and watch for improvement this year and if they dont then expect a bollocking.

Where ever did you get that impression - seen absolutely no evidence of that in all my time watching him

 

[- PC -]

Where ever did you get that impression - seen absolutely no evidence of that in all my time watching him

I dont think he takes pack marks to well , and IMO that is a pre-requisite for CHF. Just a feeling he doesnt use his body as much as he could.Once again whether that was the Ayres-Carey influence I dont know, just felt for such a big boy he should be busting packs open more.Whether he was held back by the aura of Carey and didnt want to spoil him I cant say.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I dont think he takes pack marks to well , and IMO that is a pre-requisite for CHF. Just a feeling he doesnt use his body as much as he could.Once again whether that was the Ayres-Carey influence I dont know, just felt for such a big boy he should be busting packs open more.Whether he was held back by the aura of Carey and didnt want to spoil him I cant say.

Think Perries game is based on lots of moving around the forward line as he is very strong aerobically.

He is only 191cm and last year wasn't strong enough to regularly split packs, although have seen him do it on the odd occassion.

This year he has really bulked up, look for him to use his strength more but his game still will be based around his fitness IMO.

 

[- PC -]

Think Perries game is based on lots of moving around the forward line as he is very strong aerobically.

He is only 191cm and last year wasn't strong enough to regularly split packs, although have seen him do it on the odd occassion.

This year he has really bulked up, look for him to use his strength more but his game still will be based around his fitness IMO.

And that is why I wont pass further judgement till Oct 2005

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

For the short to medium term he is our best option at CHF. Not because he is a champion player but because we don't have anyone better.

We are in a position from which we can't get out overnight. It will take us good 3-5 years to be a genuine premiership contender.

Perrie is a workhorse that will give you a contest at CHF. He will never be a match winner in the Tredrea or Reiwoldt class but he will straighten you up.

He has played his best footy when he has been the number 1 target in the forward line. He was by far our best KP forward in 2003 when he was basically our only key forward for the year. He had some great games, he also had some shockers.

He is a good overhead mark and he will give you a contest, bring the ball to the ground if he doesn't mark it and that all we should really expect from him. No he is not a saviour but we don't have anyone better yet.

I also remember games where Perrie took Neitz and Scarlett to the cleaners. I don't think he will improve much if at all but he coudl become more consistent. I think we would all take 12 possesions and 5-6 marks per game from our CHF who will always provide a contest. If we can get that out of Sarge, I will be very happy.

Stiffy has saved me time from writing my response.

Sarge is currently our best option for CHF. IMO he is a confidence player who needs faith shown in him to play his best footy. Doubt he will ever be an AA, but can produce solid footy & good target across CHF.

 

[Mad Dog]

Stiffy has saved me time from writing my response.

Sarge is currently our best option for CHF. IMO he is a confidence player who needs faith shown in him to play his best footy. Doubt he will ever be an AA, but can produce solid footy & good target across CHF.

I must admit - I'm coming around to this way of thinking....a few weeks ago I had Stevo @ CHF and Sarge on the bench. After watching his transformation at training over summer - especially his strength and mobility - I think Pez is our best option @ CHF ATM.
If we then extrapolate this situation....are we now saying that Stevo goes to the FF line with Welsh and a small ????....if so where does that leave Biglands and the "resting ruckman" play ??.
IMO Biglands doesn't deserve a spot in our 22 ATM - and I'd be happy with this scenario....just interested what others think ?

 

[Stiffy_18]

I must admit - I'm coming around to this way of thinking....a few weeks ago I had Stevo @ CHF and Sarge on the bench. After watching his transformation at training over summer - especially his strength and mobility - I think Pez is our best option @ CHF ATM.
If we then extrapolate this situation....are we now saying that Stevo goes to the FF line with Welsh and a small ????....if so where does that leave Biglands and the "resting ruckman" play ??.
IMO Biglands doesn't deserve a spot in our 22 ATM - and I'd be happy with this scenario....just interested what others think ?

Is there a possiblity of using Stevo as an impact forward off the bench??????

 

[Mad Dog]

Is there a possiblity of using Stevo as an impact forward off the bench??????

This might work - it would certainly help nurse his body through.....it all depends how badly we want Biglands in the side.....I'd certainly rather see Stevo in a pocket than Biglands......it would also depend on what value we attach to his support of Clarke and Hudson in ruck??

Maybe it's going to be horses for courses??

So far the only player out of that group not demanding to be picked is Biglands...

 

[Stiffy_18]

This might work - it would certainly help nurse his body through.....it all depends how badly we want Biglands in the side.....I'd certainly rather see Stevo in a pocket than Biglands......it would also depend on what value we attach to his support of Clarke and Hudson in ruck??

Maybe it's going to be horses for courses??

So far the only player out of that group not demanding to be picked is Biglands...

I am pretty sure that Craigy WILL play Biglands in the FP. He has said that a number of times and he always said he is a big G for playing big bodied ruckman in the FP because stats would suggest that we managed to score bigger score when we used this tactic. So judging by a number of his interviews you can just about bet your life on the fact that Biglands will be played as FP, with Clarke and Hudson sharing teh ruck duties.

Now we could either use Stevo as a floating forward like we used Hentschel in the 2nd half of last year or we could play 2 CHF. This is assuming that Hentschel is not played as a forward and with Benny's hammy going of the blink again its not far fetched that Hentschel could take Hart's spot in defence.

This is one of those interesting things that you are looking forward to see how it all unfolds.

 

[macca23]

Now we could either use Stevo as a floating forward like we used Hentschel in the 2nd half of last year or we could play 2 CHF. This is assuming that Hentschel is not played as a forward and with Benny's hammy going of the blink again its not far fetched that Hentschel could take Hart's spot in defence.

This is one of those interesting things that you are looking forward to see how it all unfolds.

You just might be onto something here Stiffy.

Craig has talked up Hentschel in defence so far, which might just then see Stevens Biglands and Perrie (Perrie at CHF) as the talls in the forward line, Welsh as the medium sized forward, and Johncock plus the changing Edwards/McLeod/Bode as the small forwards.

As you say Hentschel would then either be the ready made replacement for Hart, or if Hart's available, playing as the 3rd tall in defence.

 

[Stiffy_18]

You just might be onto something here Stiffy.

Craig has talked up Hentschel in defence so far, which might just then see Stevens Biglands and Perrie (Perrie at CHF) as the talls in the forward line, Welsh as the medium sized forward, and Johncock plus the changing Edwards/McLeod/Bode as the small forwards.

As you say Hentschel would then either be the ready made replacement for Hart, or if Hart's available, playing as the 3rd tall in defence.

Its one possible outcome but for Hentschel to play 3rd tall in defence then it would mean that he would have to push someone like Bassett out of the backline which I don't think would be an overly smart move despite the belief of some other posters.

Maybe we could play with 4 tall backmen especially considering the likes of Bassett and Hentschel can play on mediums and smalls.

 

[- PC -]

Its one possible outcome but for Hentschel to play 3rd tall in defence then it would mean that he would have to push someone like Bassett out of the backline which I don't think would be an overly smart move despite the belief of some other posters.

Maybe we could play with 4 tall backmen especially considering the likes of Bassett and Hentschel can play on mediums and smalls.

P Matera hates having a tall on him. But I dont know about 4 talls, that would mean your midfield working even harder IMO (Phil not Peter)


*thanks tinman

 

[PAfolwr]

Perrie has to be your CHF at this stage, however, if Stevens is fit he must play CHF. Not sure about this play him elsewhere to preserve his legs theory. Having Perrie at CHF and Stevens at FF would not work IMO.

Perrie/Stevens CHF Both Stevens and Perrie will straighten it up.
Biglands/Hudson at FF just to provide a contest at all times.
Welsh/Burton FP for unpredictability.
Could even throw Bock/Hentschell rotation up there at times to give them valuable experience.
Couple of hungry tough crumbers, and if it works you have a decent forward line, plus at the same time giving the new players much needed experience without the weight of the world on their shoulders.

 

[tinman]

Peter Matera hates having a tall on him. But I dont know about 4 talls, that would mean your midfield working even harder IMO

I think you mean Phil. Wally and Peter have retired.

You are right though in the point you are making, the coaches look closely at match ups, especially in defence, so who ends up there will depend on who we are playing and how they are expected to line up.

 

[pext]

Perrie has to be your CHF at this stage, however, if Stevens is fit he must play CHF. Not sure about this play him elsewhere to preserve his legs theory. Having Perrie at CHF and Stevens at FF would not work IMO.

Perrie/Stevens CHF Both Stevens and Perrie will straighten it up.
Biglands/Hudson at FF just to provide a contest at all times.
Welsh/Burton FP for unpredictability.
Could even throw Bock/Hentschell rotation up there at times to give them valuable experience.
Couple of hungry tough crumbers, and if it works you have a decent forward line, plus at the same time giving the new players much needed experience without the weight of the world on their shoulders.

I can't believe it takes a Port Supporter to put it so logically.

In any event, the only thing more certain than Stevo breaking down next year is Sarge not performing at CHF.

Sure he's fit, sure he's bulked up. But his main problem is that he is no good. Why does everyone think he is going to provide a contest and straighten up the team? If he was capable of doing it he would have done it last year and the year before!

We should be talking about the alternatives or preying for Stevo to saty fit?

 

[Mad Dog]

Perrie has to be your CHF at this stage, however, if Stevens is fit he must play CHF. Not sure about this play him elsewhere to preserve his legs theory. Having Perrie at CHF and Stevens at FF would not work IMO.

Perrie/Stevens CHF Both Stevens and Perrie will straighten it up.
Biglands/Hudson at FF just to provide a contest at all times.
Welsh/Burton FP for unpredictability.
Could even throw Bock/Hentschell rotation up there at times to give them valuable experience.
Couple of hungry tough crumbers, and if it works you have a decent forward line, plus at the same time giving the new players much needed experience without the weight of the world on their shoulders.

This definitely looks like the best combination ATM.....the spanner in the works has been Perrie's preseason and he must be rewarded with a CHF spot. I like the idea of 2 CHFs ...Craig seems certain to play Birdbrain on the wing which would leave the way open to play 2 smalls up there as well. My only problem with this line up is Trentschel not being involved because I reckon he is going to be way too clever for your average opponent this year and could be wasted in defense. Having said that - Ben's injury is a concern and I'd rather see Trent in the mix down back than Bock.
Ben Rutten's performance is going to be so crucial to our chances this year....we haven't mentioned him much and after just 9 games last year he has a fair expectation on him (which I think he is capable of handling). My point is if Rutten either can't perform or gets injured.....we fall back to a Bassett/Hart/Bock solution for Full Back which will hurt us badly IMO - not to mention the ripple effect through the rest of the back 6.

 

[noddy]

I can't believe it takes a Port Supporter to put it so logically.
?

My long late at night sessions with PA are starting to bear fruit.

 

[noddy]

Perrie has to be your CHF at this stage, however, if Stevens is fit he must play CHF. Not sure about this play him elsewhere to preserve his legs theory. Having Perrie at CHF and Stevens at FF would not work IMO.

Perrie/Stevens CHF Both Stevens and Perrie will straighten it up.
Biglands/Hudson at FF just to provide a contest at all times.
Welsh/Burton FP for unpredictability.
Could even throw Bock/Hentschell rotation up there at times to give them valuable experience.
Couple of hungry tough crumbers, and if it works you have a decent forward line, plus at the same time giving the new players much needed experience without the weight of the world on their shoulders.

Very well put bar the Bock throw.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Perrie has to be your CHF at this stage, however, if Stevens is fit he must play CHF. Not sure about this play him elsewhere to preserve his legs theory. Having Perrie at CHF and Stevens at FF would not work IMO.

Perrie/Stevens CHF Both Stevens and Perrie will straighten it up.
Biglands/Hudson at FF just to provide a contest at all times.
Welsh/Burton FP for unpredictability.
Could even throw Bock/Hentschell rotation up there at times to give them valuable experience.
Couple of hungry tough crumbers, and if it works you have a decent forward line, plus at the same time giving the new players much needed experience without the weight of the world on their shoulders.

Sensible post as always.

I can't see room for a ruckman playing up forward in a full-strength, as I would prefer Perrie, M Stevens & Hentschel playing as the talls. Perrie should be providing a target further up the ground, leaving M Stevens & Henstchel mainly closer to goal within the 50m arc in floater type roles - both are smart enough to create space & run where needed. Welshy out of the goal square.

 

[Mad Dog]

Sensible post as always.

I can't see room for a ruckman playing up forward in a full-strength, as I would prefer Perrie, M Stevens & Hentschel playing as the talls. Perrie should be providing a target further up the ground, leaving M Stevens & Henstchel mainly closer to goal within the 50m arc in floater type roles - both are smart enough to create space & run where needed. Welshy out of the goal square.

...and you're right - Perrie is a workhorse not an artist...and does his best work leading up to the wings....he looks in excellent nick and should have the motor to burn off most tall defenders. The next kick in to Trentschel and Stevo is the clincher !!....but Pez is at least mobile enough to keep in moving and get it in there quickly

 

[macca23]

Sensible post as always.

I can't see room for a ruckman playing up forward in a full-strength, as I would prefer Perrie, M Stevens & Hentschel playing as the talls.

Did you hear Rhett Biglands on 5AA last night??

Raring to go and make amends for last year. He certainly spoke as if he will be spending time up forward this year.

 

[Mad Dog]

Did you hear Rhett Biglands on 5AA last night??

Raring to go and make amends for last year. He certainly spoke as if he will be spending time up forward this year.

has he watched himself at training ???...