Is It Time For Richo To Move

[_RT_]

You cant move Richo out of the forward line. We never have any players crumbing for him that's what stuffs us up, all of our players go up for the mark when Richo's demanded it even the little blokes. I've seen Tambling do it plenty of times and it's not just him, you'd think the smart thing to do would be to stay down.

Not suggesting he gets moved out of the forward line more that he stops being the first thing the players look for when delivering into the forward line. To do this the most effective way would be to sacrifice Richo's game time so that it further benefits the development of the team. Ask yourself what you would prefer another 2-3 years of winning maybe 8-10 games but relying on Richo winning those of his own boot or winning 6-8 games this year but getting a heap of development into and improvement from the likes of Schulz, Hughes & Riewoldt who are the ones we are going to look to replace Richo in a year or 2 anyway. Why delay the inevitable for the sake of 1-2 extra wins that wont really amount to anything in the long run?

Keep Richo where he is.

We need another tall to help him to take the pressure off similar to what Hawthorn does with Roughhead and Franklin.

Bring in Morton.

Not having a go Smasha but do you really think the best thing for the development of the team is to keep Richo where he is and just bring in another player who in all likelihood is going to get ignored like the rest of them. It is becoming clearer and clearer that something has to give, now do we start with those that are beginning their careers or do we start with one at the end of his career?

FWIW I think if Richo was told by Wallace that he wants to move him out of the Key forward posts so that the kids can develop Richo would probably be all for it. Don't think he is the type who puts himself ahead of the rest of the team.

 

[smasha]

Not suggesting he gets moved out of the forward line more that he stops being the first thing the players look for when delivering into the forward line. To do this the most effective way would be to sacrifice Richo's game time so that it further benefits the development of the team. Ask yourself what you would prefer another 2-3 years of winning maybe 8-10 games but relying on Richo winning those of his own boot or winning 6-8 games this year but getting a heap of development into and improvement from the likes of Schulz, Hughes & Riewoldt who are the ones we are going to look to replace Richo in a year or 2 anyway. Why delay the inevitable for the sake of 1-2 extra wins that wont really amount to anything in the long run?

Not having a go Smasha but do you really think the best thing for the development of the team is to keep Richo where he is and just bring in another player who in all likelihood is going to get ignored like the rest of them. It is becoming clearer and clearer that something has to give, now do we start with those that are beginning their careers or do we start with one at the end of his career?

FWIW I think if Richo was told by Wallace that he wants to move him out of the Key forward posts so that the kids can develop Richo would probably be all for it. Don't think he is the type who puts himself ahead of the rest of the team.

I can't see anyone ahead of Richo as far as marking contests at this stage.

After watching the Burgers,I can see the future but the future is still maybe 2 years off.

Maybe you have a point of moving him back maybe but we usually win games when Richos kicking goals.

I think it's lose /lose situation at this time.

Who do we replace Richo with because the kids aren't ready quite yet.

My opinion if that counts.

You seem to have a great insight into the players.

 

[_RT_]

I like the idea of him coming off the bench. Start every quarter there and come on 5-10 minutes in. It would cause the opposition some confusion as they had to frantically get their best defender onto Richo, give the other forwards a chance to be the focal points and it would add a couple of years to Richo's career (which is most certainly a good thing).

Using this as an example imagine this was to happen on Sunday against the Pies:

We start Richo off on the bench with Schulz and FF and Hughes at CHF. After about 10 minutes of the first quarter Schulz has kicked 1-2 goals and Huhges has taken 2-3 marks across half forward. Pies are forced to put their best defenders onto these 2 to try and shut them down. Then we introduce Richo to the forward line, what does Malthouse do, take one of his best defenders off of Schulz or Hughes and put him straight on Richo which frees up either Schulz or Hughes again or leave Richo who is still a major threat to play on his 3rd choice tall defender?

 

[smasha]

Another thing.

I wish Tambling would adopt a role like KB in the past.

Hang around the area where the pack mark is to be taken and wait for a crumb like what Milne does for St. Kilda.

With his pace,he should be doing more and I think he is a short fast burst player.

 

[_RT_]

I can't see anyone ahead of Richo as far as marking contests at this stage.

After watching the Burgers,I can see the future but the future is still maybe 2 years off.

Maybe you have a point of moving him back maybe but we usually win games when Richos kicking goals.

I think it's lose /lose situation at this time.

Who do we replace Richo with because the kids aren't ready quite yet.

My opinion if that counts.

You seem to have a great insight into the players.

Everyones opinion counts and thats why I'm glad this has not just turned into a thread full of abuse and it actually being discussed reasonably.

Sure the kids may be 2 years off but if they were given the next 20 weeks to play in the key posts up forward that 2 years might become a year. Using the Hawks example you gave, what the Hawks did so well was play Franklin and Roughead in the key posts from the start and is it any wonder that they are now a fairly potent forward line. Yet ours is still stuck with the old habit of just kick it to Richo and hope like hell he marks it.

We talk about the need for the kids to step up and show us something yet we don't give them the chance to do just that. Schulz was playing well yesterday and yet was continually moved out to a pocket or flank. As I mentioned in the OP Schulz & Hughes both had limited touches but still managed 3 shots on goal each, say they had an extra 10% of the forward entries directed in their directions may well result in an extra 3-5 more shots on goal, but as a benefit also see the opposition second guessing where the ball is headed as our midfielders come streaming forward. A lot harder for an opposition to defend when they have no idea where the ball is headed to set up their zone.

It is not so much an insight in to the players that I have just after 35 years of being involved in football you tend to get a feel for whats happening, not trying to big note myself as I'm just an average Joe but surely if the average punters in the stands can see whats going on then those in the know at AFL clubs know whats going on as well. And that is our biggest problem right now, 15 other teams know what we are doing before we even know what we're doing.

 

[buffalopride]

Richo is a legend you can't deny it... he has helped win many games off his boot and talent and heart!! BUT we need to start looking for the next big man! Richos kicking cant have a lot to be desired alot of the time! He is very inconsistant...we need someone who can accuratly kick goals CONSISTANTLY!

G B games

07 - 53 - 40 22
06 - 45 - 40 18
05 - 65 - 46 22
04 - 65 - 50 18
03 - 33 - 34 19

total - 261- 210- 99games 2003- end of 2007


COMPARISON ( in similar amount of time or less than richos since 2003)

Lloyd - 90 games 323 goals 131 behinds
reiwoldt - 106 games 232 goals 146 behinds
franklin - 56 games(05) 125 goals - 84 behinds
gehrig - 108 games 366 goals 194 behinds
NEITZ- 97 games - 267 goals 140 behinds
tredre - 103 - 252 goals 154 points

The matter of the fact is we need someone who can kick goals for us..... Richo is still doing that but his accuracy is quite poor at times when we cant afford to be and that is why we have him, him kick goals!

Please dont think im trolling, i love the big fella he is RICHMOND! but we do need consistancy.

 

[JSFish]

^^^Richo's consistency is based very heavily on the consistency of our midfield. For him to have 5 scoring shots yesterday and one that didn't make the distance is a pretty friggin good effort, regardless of the fact that he only kicked 2. There are few forwards in the league who would have kicked more than 2 for us yesterday, and Richo sets them up as well: one that comes to mind was when he led outside the 50 and got a shit kick to him as usual, but he kept going, picked it up, got a quick and innovative handball out in front of a running player who ran on to it and kicked the goal or dished off to someone next to him.^^^


RT. Your idea is a good one. I like the scenario you gave a couple of posts earlier. But, also consider this. Yesterday, there were multiple occasions when Richo had 1 or 2 opponents directly on him, and maybe 3 dropping into the space 20 metres in front of him like a zone. So he's got no chance. But that doesn't matter, if he has the status to draw 4 or 5 players to him, that is fantastic for us. It means we have 3 or 4 players roaming around free, and all we need to do is use our heads and we would have kicked 5 more goals yesterday.

 

[Bazzar]

But that doesn't matter, if he has the status to draw 4 or 5 players to him, that is fantastic for us. It means we have 3 or 4 players roaming around free, and all we need to do is use our heads and we would have kicked 5 more goals yesterday.

Thats the problem currently being heatedly discussed here and in other current threads. For years and years those loose players have been ignored and the ball has been delivered to a double/tripple teamed Richo.

And how many times has a player delivered to the best option and it wasnt Richo, and he has spat the dummy at the ball deliverer. No wonder they go to him the majority of the time, hate to get the Cho spray

 

[JSFish]

True, that would be scary, but it just needs to be drilled into them. I can't see Terry saying 'boys, if Richo has five opponents and 4 of our boys are free, DON'T kick it to Richo. And Richo, don't crack the shits or I'll drag ya' and them ignoring it. So I'm going to assuming he hasn't been saying that. So friggin well say it Terry.

 

[emperor]

dunno that Richo further up the ground (ie wing, midfield or whatever) is the way to go but I do agree to the principle of your idea RT. I lean more towards iitb's approach and give Richo a bit more time on the pine, maybe even start him there for 2 or 3 quarters a game.

I am unsure of this as I am typing because it's difficult to bench a bloke (and my heart says no no no!!) who does such good work out on the field and is one of our limited matchwinners. But the bombing long to Richo approach to footy has to stop because it doesn't work, and never will. Unlike say a Lloyd or Fevola, Richo often leads to dumb positions and puts himself and the player delivering the ball to him under pressure. The crap delivery over the years certainly has not helped the big fella cuz he probably half expects a big bomb on his head anyway

I know some might say the Jay and Cleve need to learn to work with Richo, the problem is Richo is so bloody unpredictable sometimes, it's hard to know where he will lead to and what his response will be. As we know he has a dysfunctional footy brain (at times). The whole Richo situation is somewhat of a catch 22, the only way to break the cycle is to give the young blood more time up there on their own so that the players further up the ground learn to kick to options other than Richo.

forgive me Richo for I mean no disrespect

 

[Bazzar]

And WTF was this i heard on SEN Sunday, that Richo hates being called "Richo" and would rather be called "Richie"

 

[YellowandBlackBlood]

I have said this many times before, we will never win a premiership with Richo in the team. Yes, he has been one of our greatest and he is one of the best contested marks in the league, but his accuracy when 35m directly in front is nowhere near good enough. He works so hard and demands the ball so much that the midfield gets sucked into kicking it to him all the time. This destroys the development of any other forward player we have ever had in the last 15 years.
If we are to continue to play him, I favour a completely different approach. Tell him to camp out at the top of the goal square and not move more than 20m away from the goal. That means if they want to triple team him, then let them do that in the goal square and in that way open up our forward line to the other forwards. And if they leave him one out, kick it to him and he will beat his opponent 80% of the time. A win win situation. So simple it may even work.

 

[_RT_]

I have said this many times before, we will never win a premiership with Richo in the team. Yes, he has been one of our greatest and he is one of the best contested marks in the league, but his accuracy when 35m directly in front is nowhere near good enough. He works so hard and demands the ball so much that the midfield gets sucked into kicking it to him all the time. This destroys the development of any other forward player we have ever had in the last 15 years.
If we are to continue to play him, I favour a completely different approach. Tell him to camp out at the top of the goal square and not move more than 20m away from the goal. That means if they want to triple team him, then let them do that in the goal square and in that way open up our forward line to the other forwards. And if they leave him one out, kick it to him and he will beat his opponent 80% of the time. A win win situation. So simple it may even work.

Thats the problem YBB the simplest things are more often than not the things we make look the hardest

 

[Equus]

I have said this many times before, we will never win a premiership with Richo in the team. Yes, he has been one of our greatest and he is one of the best contested marks in the league, but his accuracy when 35m directly in front is nowhere near good enough. He works so hard and demands the ball so much that the midfield gets sucked into kicking it to him all the time. This destroys the development of any other forward player we have ever had in the last 15 years.
If we are to continue to play him, I favour a completely different approach. Tell him to camp out at the top of the goal square and not move more than 20m away from the goal. That means if they want to triple team him, then let them do that in the goal square and in that way open up our forward line to the other forwards. And if they leave him one out, kick it to him and he will beat his opponent 80% of the time. A win win situation. So simple it may even work.

Correcto mondo

 

[NQTIGER]

FFS....the biggest problem we have is not Richo.....it is our deplorable footskills, we cant hit a man on the chest, if we could the opposition can triple team him as much as they like we would hit a TARGET..... gellong hit their man 95% of the time regardless of double teaming or triple teaming.

Richo is not the PROBLEM.....our skills are

 

[emperor]

And WTF was this i heard on SEN Sunday, that Richo hates being called "Richo" and would rather be called "Richie"

wtf

from the horses mouth or some goose talking shit??

 

[the ranger]

Nice sig, NQTiger

The majority of my infractions have been from Carlton mods. At the moment, i can't see their board which is actually a blessing in disguise. I never mean to go there but when I view new posts there's always some idiotic anti-Richmond thread that I feel compelled to get involved in. I go in talking about footy and then after 100 lame personal attacks, I respond with my own lame attack on someone and get carded.

Sometimes I wonder why the Carlton board even exists. They should have their own website where they can all suck each other off without having to worry about anyone interrupting.

 

[CoggaRules]

I can assure you that you are VERY wrong about the game plan from the coaching staff.

well if thats the case, then i can assure you that the coaching staff cant do the job, because i can assure you that the game plan is not the game plan from the caoching staff. So tell us dude, if the game plan isnt the the game plan from the coaching staff, whos ****ing game plan is it fool? Because its not this magical mythical coaching panel that takes over the team on game day, is it?
Get real, this i can assuire you shit is completely lame, do you know why? Because if it were the case, then things would have changed over the stretch. I have yet to see a difference to the way we move the ball since day one of TW. All i see is bumbling fools trying to be what they will mever be, eg Raines but we still sit there and hope that one day he is going to wake up and magically the skill and smarts god is going to say ok Rainsey enough, you now have skill and smarts.....like FFS get real.

 

[Rayzorwire]

I suggested similar a few weeks ago when you raised the topic of our young KP's RT. I hope you've seen enough in the last two weeks to be less concerned on that score.

I'd rather see Richo play a roaming role in the style Goodes does and take a lot of contested marks between the two 50's rather than be wasted on the bench - his stamina is too much of an asset to go down that road.

When he moves into the forward 50 now and then it should be on the run and more often than not he should be running sideways to the incoming ball. That's when he's most dangerous and the most difficult to match up on.

Let him run his opponent ragged all over the ground with a license to roam and set up like a resting ruckman who just camps himself 50m behind the ball and picks it off all day. He should be directed to cover half the ground to pick off any long opposition kick outs, be the go-to man at our long kickouts, and apart from these set plays just run forward with the ball carriers and get behind the ball when we're defending.

Thats the problem currently being heatedly discussed here and in other current threads. For years and years those loose players have been ignored and the ball has been delivered to a double/tripple teamed Richo.

The problem is that these 'loose' players are behind the ball while getting it there Baz, not in the forward line.

 

[Wally07]

Would prefer to see him to be played out of the goal square in an alister lynch type role.

This should give the others the space and the chance to develop, Richo won't need to bust a gut anymore and he will still take the best defender.

 

[CoggaRules]

Would prefer to see him to be played out of the goal square in an alister lynch type role.

This should give the others the space and the chance to develop, Richo won't need to bust a gut anymore and he will still take the best defender.

hey welcome back Spud.

 

[_RT_]

I can assure you that you are VERY wrong about the game plan from the coaching staff.

So the players just decide to say 'stuff you and your gameplan Terry we'll do it our way'. Logic says that they are getting these instructions from somewhere and if it aint Wallace then who?

 

[_RT_]

Would prefer to see him to be played out of the goal square in an alister lynch type role.

This should give the others the space and the chance to develop, Richo won't need to bust a gut anymore and he will still take the best defender.

OK so we're having a problem where the ball is constantly bombed to Richo in the forward line and you want to sit him in the goalsquare as a way of solving the problem. All that will do is cause maore balls to be bombed in his direction, which will see the opposition just sit back and wait for it to come in and then with consumate ease clear the thing time and again.

 

[buffalopride]

Is it our game plan that is lacking where to head inside 50, or is it the stupid decisions we make when heading in. Why dont we ever kick it to the fat side? instead of richo or other leading straight up why not lead on the angle... why does franklin etc: have such good success? because they deliver to the fat side and they take it on the lead where the majority of players are left on the tight side, thus resulting in no man dropping in the hole where its generally 2 on 1..... Our delivery also needs to be better but if we start looking and hitting players leading out that side we may improve that bit more, and not have to bomb high into 50!

thoughts?

 

[tiger-riffic]

Is it our game plan that is lacking where to head inside 50, or is it the stupid decisions we make when heading in. Why dont we ever kick it to the fat side? instead of richo or other leading straight up why not lead on the angle... why does franklin etc: have such good success? because they deliver to the fat side and they take it on the lead where the majority of players are left on the tight side, thus resulting in no man dropping in the hole where its generally 2 on 1..... Our delivery also needs to be better but if we start looking and hitting players leading out that side we may improve that bit more, and not have to bomb high into 50!

thoughts?

we dont do it enough, watching adelaide, sydney, saints they look for the angle to the fat side pass. works well for them!!