They were the target. Some idf may have also been killed but the target was clearly civilians.
Mid East Israel declare war after Hamas attack III
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Maybe they could go to one of the other Arab muslim states...surely they will accept them...oh wait.
None of us have been there recently I'd expect.
FIFY - typical woke shit...
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Why can't you answer the question? why won't other Arab muslim countries have a bar of the Palestinians?
Because they're terrorists who are happy to hurt civilians because they viewed them all as being the enemy. I don't agree with Hamas' view of the world. But any time I see a monster like Hamas, I'm not content to take the simplistic view that killing the monster will mean everyone lives happily ever after. I look at what created the monster, because if that continues, it will simply create another monster in time.
It's clear to me that the path Israel took from 1967 onwards was what created the monster. 1948 created the PLO, who certainly did some monstrous things, but I think you'll agree they were not as bad as Hamas and could have been reasoned with. Turning the PLO and Fatah into cucks by continuing to screw over Palestinians in spite of peace negotiations is what made Hamas powerful. And I don't think the mass killing of civilians and levelling of the Gaza Strip is going to solve anything. Even if it kills Hamas, the human rights abuses guarantees another monster will rise from Hamas' ashes, and they might be just as brutal, but also more competent.
No, it was a terrorist attack.
I think that was disgusting of the Kuwaitis then. Refugees should be allowed to hold beliefs so long as they don't engage in violence or insurrection. Black September was indeed an insurrection, but again this was the PLO rather than the whole refugee population.
I chuckled....BF is quite left though
You don't like the answer do you.
Don't copy the terrorist sympathiser who think there should be no Israel....
I can absolutely agree with your first two paragraphs.
Is a terrorist attack more morally appealing than an alleged genocide?
We will have to disagree on the last paragraph.
Do you think Israel have a right to half of the land in that area currently contended?
Hey if you have evidence that the other countries are super keen to have the Palestinians in their backyard then please im all ears honey bunny.
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That would be good, but once stolen it belongs to those that stole it.
I know, but it could've been a bigger and more wealthy country.
And if it comes to that the land will belong to "Israel"
Both had land stolen from them, and the stolen Mexican land belongs to the USA, and whatever "Israel" steal in this war will belong to them, we all have to be prepared to accept that
True, but the stolen land belongs to the USA, just like whatever "Israel" attain in this war will be theirs, that's just the way it is
I would argue they're both awful but it's a matter of scale. Is a single murderer less reprehensible than a serial murderer? I'd say yes. But they're both still reprehensible.
Consider as well that genocide is difficult to carry out using only a non-state militia. It takes the force and reach of a powerful government to make it happen. On account of such power, governments should be held to higher standards than non-state militias if they wish to be part of the international community. We should expect them to be more civilised. This is also why I consider Umkhonto we Sizwe to have been less bad than the government of apartheid South Africa.
Consider, if the Palestinians had been given dignity and a state on reasonable terms in the 1990s instead of being fenced in two giant prisons, would Hamas have become as powerful as it did?
Which areas specifically do you mean?
Well I'll tell you what, if Mexico fights another war with the United States with the aim of getting those territories back, I'll commit to expressing support for the Mexican cause. Until then, I'll continue right on with supporting dignity for Palestinians and expressing disgust at the actions of the Israeli government and their merry band of colonising thieves.
We all know what destruction from war looks like.
What is the obsession with scaling depravity? Depravity is depravity.
Every time I see people trying to stratify people like this it’s generally in an effort to make a dogmatic point that their chosen ’side’ is somehow better because they have subjectively done something slightly less depraved than the side they want to hate.
It’s this divisive partisan approach to social politics that has ruined us as a people and I refuse to conscribe to it, it weakens us all to those in ultimate power. Our political elite thrive on this game and that’s all of them, not just those you disagree with.
So in my eyes they are both (Hamas/Israeli government) ****ed pieces of shit that deserve nothing but to be called out by everyone for what have both done and both continue to do, before any debate about the details of the history of these two peoples. Both of their people have suffered immeasurably and neither of them are helped by us in the west barracking for a team.
Gaza, West Bank, Israel.
You are happy to justify anything - you have been trained well
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