Mid East Israel declare war after Hamas attack III

[Chief]

the Palestinians

Same old language. Any Palestinians you don't think of as "Hamas"? Any at all?

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

Same old language. Any Palestinians you don't think of as "Hamas"? Any at all?

Glad you are enjoying sweet cheeks.

 

[Chief]

Glad you are enjoying sweet cheeks.

You won't answer the question? Interesting for someone who was screeching about it earlier.

Very interesting.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Hey if you have evidence that the other countries are super keen to have the Palestinians in their backyard then please im all ears honey bunny.

No one accepts refugees en masse anywhere - that’s just standard “nothing in it for me” logic.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Thanks for proving me right. You want to believe one is worse than the other because then you can have your victim and your perp.

Scaling depravity is necessary
Kicking a puppy is depraved
Killing a single child is depraved
Killing ten thousand civilians is depraved
Applying the same level of moral indignation is silly as you will lose nuance.

 

[Blue1980]

In the US, Senator Lindsey Graham called for the wholesale destruction of Gaza. “We are in a religious war here. I’m with Israel. Do whatever the hell you have to do to defend yourself. Level the place,”

Despicable human being in general he is.

 

[Blue1980]

Without question the most compelling quote.

It's a fairly inept genocide if it is one. 30,000 deaths made up of both military and civilian casualties, out of 2 million Palestinians.

Where's the proportional outcry for the 6 million dead in the Congo? Oh thats right...the left haven't developed a stomach for that as yet.

This whataboutism defence is so dumb and overplayed.

The US and its allies are funding Israel, that’s what makes this different to other events around the world.

Saying no one should worry about Israel cos the Congo isn’t really a winning strategy either.

 

[Blue1980]

That's a whole lot of waffle and no response to the actual question posed. Why is Israel not murdering the nearly 2 million Palestinian citizens of Israel en masse if genocide of Palestinian people is the ultimate goal of the state of Israel?

The whole place has been levelled basically, what magic number of dead or displacement do we need to get to for in your mind it to be a genocide? Or is it just a bit of ethnic cleansing?

If that’s the defence how it isn’t a particular version of genocide and maybe just ethnic cleansing curious/casual cleansing I don’t think that is much of a gotcha.

 

[Blue1980]

FIFY - typical woke s**t...

Calling out your regurgitated Israeli propaganda is woke?

This really fits into the conservative trope of woke just being anything you don’t like.

 

[Blue1980]

What is the obsession with scaling depravity? Depravity is depravity.
Every time I see people trying to stratify people like this it’s generally in an effort to make a dogmatic point that their chosen ’side’ is somehow better because they have subjectively done something slightly less depraved than the side they want to hate.

It’s this divisive partisan approach to social politics that has ruined us as a people and I refuse to conscribe to it, it weakens us all to those in ultimate power. Our political elite thrive on this game and that’s all of them, not just those you disagree with.

So in my eyes they are both (Hamas/Israeli government) ****ed pieces of s**t that deserve nothing but to be called out by everyone for what have both done and both continue to do, before any debate about the details of the history of these two peoples. Both of their people have suffered immeasurably and neither of them are helped by us in the west barracking for a team.



Gaza, West Bank, Israel.

Point is October 7 happened, how the hell is what has happened since proportional? (also adding in pre October 7 and that the whole thing didn’t just begin out of nothing)

October 7 was one event, Israel have been blowing up and killing people in Gaza every day for 7 months, hence why the calls for Israel to stop.

 

[Blue1980]

What do you think should have happened to the Jewish survivors following the holocaust?

Well during the Holocaust no one was taking the Jews and even a boatload was sent back from the US back to Germany and into gas chambers for the majority.

Which by your own logic means they deserved to die, as no one would take them.

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

Calling out your regurgitated Israeli propaganda is woke?

This really fits into the conservative trope of woke just being anything you don’t like.

Alt -right ring a bell?

 

[Chief]

Alt -right ring a bell?

You mean the term invented by white nationalists to soften their own image?

 

[Chief]

In the US, Senator Lindsey Graham called for the wholesale destruction of Gaza. “We are in a religious war here. I’m with Israel. Do whatever the hell you have to do to defend yourself. Level the place,”

Do whatever you want. But it can't be called genocide.

Meanwhile 35000 people dead, widespread starvation, infrastructure destroyed.

Pro-Israel pollies flogging themselves off like it's their last go at it.

Then again Lindsay Graham probably gets one or two opportunities a year at his age so you can understand his mania for it.

 

[Saint]

What do you think should have happened to the Jewish survivors following the holocaust?

Western nations should have been more welcoming in their own countries rather than creating an ethno-state in somebody else's country.

Ethno-states are bad, mmmkay.

 

[Boston tiger]

Western nations should have been more welcoming in their own countries rather than creating an ethno-state in somebody else's country.

Ethno-states are bad, mmmkay.

I guess that area would have been all Egypt or Jordon if left alone. Would we even have heard of a Palestinian? Maybe a religious group may have got organised and fought for a Palestine against other Arabs.
Anybody know their Middle East ?

 

[Saint]

Incitement to Genocide (ethnic cleansing) by a Government Minister is exactly what the ICJ specifically told the Israeli Government they should stop. But they're still at it.

The really sick part is that Ben Gvir calls Gaza the "Homeland". But even at the peak of the Israelite and Judean Kingdoms, they were never rulers of Gaza or Ashdod or anywhere along that part of the coast. They might as well be laying claim to Turkey. It's just ethno-nationalism promoting Genocide without even the historic shroud of legitimacy.

Protesters call for Jewish settlement of Gaza during Sderot march

Organizers stated that thousands participated in the march, which will be followed by a rally for "coming home."

www.jpost.com

 

[Boston tiger]

Western nations should have been more welcoming in their own countries rather than creating an ethno-state in somebody else's country.

Ethno-states are bad, mmmkay.

Didn’t they create Palestine at the same time.

 

[Saint]

I guess that area would have been all Egypt or Jordon if left alone. Would we even have heard of a Palestinian? Maybe a religious group may have got organised and fought for a Palestine against other Arabs.
Anybody know their Middle East ?

Palestinian leaders, in Palestine, called Palestine at the time, specifically cut a deal with the British during WW1, that if they fought with them they would have independence if the Ottomans were conquered. The British reneged. This is all well known history.

"would we even have heard of a Palestinian" This image below is circa-1919, the next is in reference to the 1940's. Despite recent Israeli claims to the contrary, everyone knew where Palestine was up until Israel pretended Palestine never existed (so they could ethnically cleanse it) and some people repeat this stupid claim.



What it's called isn't important. What's important is the hundreds of thousands of people who owned property in Palestine and had been there for milliennia deserved their independence.

 

[Saint]

Didn’t they create Palestine at the same time.

Palestine was already there.(see above post). The UN created Israel in a part of Palestine. But Palestine and Palestinians already existed.

 

[Carn The Berries]

Maybe they could go to one of the other Arab muslim states...surely they will accept them...oh wait.

I'm sorry, why should they have to go anywhere?

This "other Muslim countries should just deal with it" is such a load of sh1t. It's the same as saying that Australia should just throw open it's borders and let 2 million Brits in if Russia started driving them out of their homeland.

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

Palestine was already there.(see above post). The UN created Israel in a part of Palestine. But Palestine and Palestinians already existed.

So.. it’s the UN’s fault. I’m glad we can close the thread now lol

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

I wonder how people would feel if indigenous Australians began firing rockets daily into capital cities targeting civilians and if they would blame white Australians for forcing them to those lengths?

 

[Maggie5]

I wonder how people would feel if indigenous Australians began firing rockets daily into capital cities targeting civilians and if they would blame white Australians for forcing them to those lengths?

I would want to know why America is selling them rockets and where they got the money from.

 

[Chief]

I wonder how people would feel if indigenous Australians began firing rockets daily into capital cities targeting civilians and if they would blame white Australians for forcing them to those lengths?

I bet you don't.