It's all about Depth Guys

[The Rusty Trombone]

Every night I read trade Jake King , trade McGuane to the Gold Coast , Bowden is washed up , show Raines the door ,Jackson and Jon have to go. Great teams have depth and when a important first grader is injured a handy footballer replaces him and the team stays stable (Tom Lonergan ring a bell).When a player like Mitch Morton knows he has to perform or Pettifer will get a game he performs. I honestly think some of you blokes pull your pudds that hard when it comes to who should and shouldn't stay. Depth and pressure for positions is what breeds success.

This is the first year in a decade where we've had the luxury of having some thought of depth in any way shape or form and we are currently 10th, same time next year we'll probably be 5-7th .

At the end of the year Hyde and Tivendale will be shown the door ( 2 years late in my opinion) and the coaching staff will have to make some tough decisions. Why openly bag the piss out of young players trying to do their best and keep their spots. Especially when we are trying to ride a wave of young raw energy to try and do the mathematically possible and make the 8.

It took Wallace 1 pre season to turn Jake King into a footballer , why not give him another pre season to turn him into a great one. I laugh hard at any one that bags Luke McGuane on this site. He turns up week in week out on absolute monsters and does his job and is always improving. His disposal is sometimes sloppy but generally that is because he is a backman and is under immense pressure. Raines looked like he was about to have a huge season before his injury.

Hands off the tossels boys and let these boys grow as a group. i don't care who plays for Coburg next year as long as the Richmnond Footy Club is winning.

 

[smasha]

Great post!

Waits for the dark stampede.

 

[FrankyJ]

Every night I read trade Jake King , trade McGuane to the Gold Coast , Bowden is washed up , show Raines the door ,Jackson and Jon have to go. Great teams have depth and when a important first grader is injured a handy footballer replaces him and the team stays stable (Tom Lonergan ring a bell).When a player like Mitch Morton knows he has to perform or Pettifer will get a game he performs. I honestly think some of you blokes pull your pudds that hard when it comes to who should and shouldn't stay. Depth and pressure for positions is what breeds success.

This is the first year in a decade where we've had the luxury of having some thought of depth in any way shape or form and we are currently 10th, same time next year we'll probably be 5-7th .

At the end of the year Hyde and Tivendale will be shown the door ( 2 years late in my opinion) and the coaching staff will have to make some tough decisions. Why openly bag the piss out of young players trying to do their best and keep their spots. Especially when we are trying to ride a wave of young raw energy to try and do the mathematically possible and make the 8.

It took Wallace 1 pre season to turn Jake King into a footballer , why not give him another pre season to turn him into a great one. I laugh hard at any one that bags Luke McGuane on this site. He turns up week in week out on absolute monsters and does his job and is always improving. His disposal is sometimes sloppy but generally that is because he is a backman and is under immense pressure. Raines looked like he was about to have a huge season before his injury.

Hands off the tossels boys and let these boys grow as a group. i don't care who plays for Coburg next year as long as the Richmnond Footy Club is winning.

yeah yeah

 

[Pasquali]

Every night I read trade Jake King , trade McGuane to the Gold Coast , Bowden is washed up , show Raines the door ,Jackson and Jon have to go. Great teams have depth and when a important first grader is injured a handy footballer replaces him and the team stays stable (Tom Lonergan ring a bell).When a player like Mitch Morton knows he has to perform or Pettifer will get a game he performs. I honestly think some of you blokes pull your pudds that hard when it comes to who should and shouldn't stay. Depth and pressure for positions is what breeds success.

This is the first year in a decade where we've had the luxury of having some thought of depth in any way shape or form and we are currently 10th, same time next year we'll probably be 5-7th .

At the end of the year Hyde and Tivendale will be shown the door ( 2 years late in my opinion) and the coaching staff will have to make some tough decisions. Why openly bag the piss out of young players trying to do their best and keep their spots. Especially when we are trying to ride a wave of young raw energy to try and do the mathematically possible and make the 8.

It took Wallace 1 pre season to turn Jake King into a footballer , why not give him another pre season to turn him into a great one. I laugh hard at any one that bags Luke McGuane on this site. He turns up week in week out on absolute monsters and does his job and is always improving. His disposal is sometimes sloppy but generally that is because he is a backman and is under immense pressure. Raines looked like he was about to have a huge season before his injury.

Hands off the tossels boys and let these boys grow as a group. i don't care who plays for Coburg next year as long as the Richmnond Footy Club is winning.

I must admit, i wanted to show Kane Johnson and Tuck the door last year. This year thier form has been great. As has Tambling's.

have to let guys have some good and bad days, but just keep them together.

 

[JSFish]

Underneath the Andy Collins fetish exterior, Troy definitely knows his footy.

 

[Madtiger2006]

I laugh at anyone saying we should get rid of jacko and king.

 

[tucker777]

Underneath the Andy Collins fetish exterior, Troy definitely knows his footy.

True, sadly that exterior is all I and everyone will ever see...

 

[mattdwyer]

great post !! i'm sick of the constant delist tambling shits that keeps appearring on here ... it aint gonna happen ... and if it did, it would prove how dumb the club really is ... delisting rodan was bad enough !! look where that got us ...

 

[cormick]

good post TT, I agree with you, but its not worth hanging on to "depth" players that arent good enough to even be second string.
Not sure who isn't goo enough yet, but their still has to be doubts on many of the players who havent established their spots. But even the players I knock, McGuane and King included, I'd be more than happy to keep em' on the list for a year at least (and Mcguane at least 2, to save the GC push for him)
Geelong have very few imports from other clubs, and we should take the same path!!!

 

[Strawbs]

Agree - and Geelong are the classic example of a team where everyone has a role. Not a heap of superstars (bar Ablett, Ling, Scarlett...) but blokes who do their job.

 

[TimeFor11]

Well TT I agree with most of what you are saying, I think McGuane is most definately going to stay on our list I dont think there is any doubt in that. As for the Tambling bashers it is amazing in my eyes you somehow go back in history and put a #60 draft pick next to his name there is nothing wrong with the bloke and he would be given time to develop properly and same with JON as we know indiginous boys take longer to develop sure Cyril came out on fire but he is dying down too.

However Madtiger says he laughs at those that want to delist King and Jackson well I dont understand why. You have a 24 year old back pocket player who has been on the list for 2 years and had some ok performances and lots of average ones. Then you have Jackson who has been there for now 4 years I think maybe 5 even he is fringe at best and gets beaten by whomever he is attempting to tag at the top level. I dont think either of these will make it when we become a force and all they'd be doing is holding us back so I think it is time the RFC started making the harsh decisions.

I'd say Hyde, Tivendale, Pettifer(unfortunate way to go), Jackson and Casserly(rookie list him) would be the 5 to go off the list right now. If we need more spots then King would be my next in line.

 

[TimeFor11]

Agree - and Geelong are the classic example of a team where everyone has a role. Not a heap of superstars (bar Ablett, Ling, Scarlett...) but blokes who do their job.

They have superstars and then guns no real duds because they were harsh with some and got rid of deadwood.

They have Ablett, Bartel, Scarlett, Ling, Ottens all in the top 5 at doing there role in the league and then drop down to Chapman, Corey, Mooney, Milburn they are just full of class.

Dont start me on how good of a player Ottens is it frustrates me he left.

 

[IDGAF]

Every night I read trade Jake King , trade McGuane to the Gold Coast , Bowden is washed up , show Raines the door ,Jackson and Jon have to go. Great teams have depth and when a important first grader is injured a handy footballer replaces him and the team stays stable (Tom Lonergan ring a bell).When a player like Mitch Morton knows he has to perform or Pettifer will get a game he performs. I honestly think some of you blokes pull your pudds that hard when it comes to who should and shouldn't stay. Depth and pressure for positions is what breeds success.

This is the first year in a decade where we've had the luxury of having some thought of depth in any way shape or form and we are currently 10th, same time next year we'll probably be 5-7th .

At the end of the year Hyde and Tivendale will be shown the door ( 2 years late in my opinion) and the coaching staff will have to make some tough decisions. Why openly bag the piss out of young players trying to do their best and keep their spots. Especially when we are trying to ride a wave of young raw energy to try and do the mathematically possible and make the 8.

It took Wallace 1 pre season to turn Jake King into a footballer , why not give him another pre season to turn him into a great one. I laugh hard at any one that bags Luke McGuane on this site. He turns up week in week out on absolute monsters and does his job and is always improving. His disposal is sometimes sloppy but generally that is because he is a backman and is under immense pressure. Raines looked like he was about to have a huge season before his injury.

Hands off the tossels boys and let these boys grow as a group. i don't care who plays for Coburg next year as long as the Richmnond Footy Club is winning.

... Fair rant ... i`ll pay it

But the art is knowing when to draw the line ....

I would have traded Pettifer two years ago at the height of his powers ... Hall was on the list 2-3 years too long ... Sarge is heading the same direction .

Point is , you are correct in what you are saying , but when you have a Pettifer or a Hall or a Sarge on your list they are keeping a kid with potential off it .

My beef has always been that we have not judged the talent on our list correctly and have given some players careers with longevity they did not deserve ... and our on-field results have reflected that .

I agree with you Mc Guane .. can still see a lot of improvement in him , But Kingy , IMHO , is a very limited footballer and is the sort of player we need to look to improve on ... just my opinion .

Depth players have thier place , but you only need so many of them ... when you are a rising "Tenth" .... and striving to improve , you should always be looking to improve instead of erring on the safe side and settling for a good dose of mediocrity .

It means some hard decisions at times but thats the nature of the game ... Tivendale will play nearly 200 games and for mine has never been anything more than a depth player ... has that worked out for us ? In hindsight he could have been traded 4-5 years ago to a side that needed a little silk in the premiership window and we could have gotten a half decent pick that might have filled a gaping hole in our midfield that we have carried for 5 or so years now and Greg could have played in a flag ... win/win .. alls nice in the hypothetical world i know but you get my point .

For too long our club has "settled" on players instead of striving do improve and to better

 

[blxx]

delisting rodan was bad enough !! look where that got us ...

yeah we should of traded him but i still think the rodan delisting was for the better.

he has many pluses but i was never ever comfortable with his disposal.

made a fantastic run down the wing against us but in the end he fluffed an easy kick and turned it over, classic rodan.

IMO, we are a better team without him.

 

[The Rusty Trombone]

... Fair rant ... i`ll pay it

But the art is knowing when to draw the line ....

I would have traded Pettifer two years ago at the height of his powers ... Hall was on the list 2-3 years too long ... Sarge is heading the same direction .

Point is , you are correct in what you are saying , but when you have a Pettifer or a Hall or a Sarge on your list they are keeping a kid with potential off it .

My beef has always been that we have not judged the talent on our list correctly and have given some players careers with longevity they did not deserve ... and our on-field results have reflected that .

I agree with you Mc Guane .. can still see a lot of improvement in him , But Kingy , IMHO , is a very limited footballer and is the sort of player we need to look to improve on ... just my opinion .

Depth players have thier place , but you only need so many of them ... when you are a rising "Tenth" .... and striving to improve , you should always be looking to improve instead of erring on the safe side and settling for a good dose of mediocrity .

It means some hard decisions at times but thats the nature of the game ... Tivendale will play nearly 200 games and for mine has never been anything more than a depth player ... has that worked out for us ? In hindsight he could have been traded 4-5 years ago to a side that needed a little silk in the premiership window and we could have gotten a half decent pick that might have filled a gaping hole in our midfield that we have carried for 5 or so years now and Greg could have played in a flag ... win/win .. alls nice in the hypothetical world i know but you get my point .

For too long our club has "settled" on players instead of striving do improve and to better

Totally agree with all of that. And any players that are absolutely shit house or their bodys ar not holding up should be given the boot. We all know we kept Hyde and Tivendale too long because we have next to no 80-150 game players and that will be the case more so next year because we will more than likely lose Polak ,and Pettifer next year as well. Throw in a retirement from either Johnson or Bowden (could happen but not likely) and we have the youngest team in the comp again.

Once again we will trade and hopefully for a decent forward and a key position back around the 50 - 150 game mark maybe Kerr. It is my guess more blokes like McMahon and Morton will be putting their hands up to play for the Tigers now. As much shit as McMahon has copped this year he wanted to play for Richmond. Not many did including one C Judd. That will of well and truely changed now

I say at the end of the year let Miller and Co go nuts and trade up a storm but keep players that are still developing In the last few years they have brought

Nathan Brown
Kane Johnson
Graham Polak
Troy Simmonds
Jordon McMahon
Mitch Morton

All important players in our side. Imagine who they can get their hands on now people are starting to take us seriously.

 

[nut]

If our trade period is as successful as it was last year then we will improve again... Mcmahn and Morton have been great.

 

[Wally Matera]

I laugh at anyone saying we should get rid of jacko and king.

We laugh at you.

Jackson and King are not depth players... they are liabilities.

Meyer, Connors, Polo, Hughes, Collins, JON, etc... they are our depth, not proven rubbish that cant make it.

I find it funny that people use this excuse or strategy for blokes that physically can not cut it and make the grade by their own abaility. "Depth players" are project players... NOT BLOKES THAT HAVENT GOT THE ABILITY!

If you want fringe players to cover gaps during times of injuries and suspensions, then we keep Tivvo... he's shown f ucking a lot more at senior level than those two put together.

What a bullshit comment and allows us to continue to accept mediocrity. As soon as we sit on our hands, the second the rest of the competition overtakes us and thats been our friggen problem for 25 YEARS.

Next please

 

[nut]

We laugh at you.

Jackson and King are not depth players... they are liabilities.

Meyer, Connors, Polo, Hughes, Collins, JON, etc... they are our depth, not proven rubbish that cant make it.

I find it funny that people use this excuse or strategy for blokes that physically can not cut it and make the grade by their own abaility. "Depth players" are project players... NOT BLOKES THAT HAVENT GOT THE ABILITY!

If you want fringe players to cover gaps during times of injuries and suspensions, then we keep Tivvo... he's shown f ucking a lot more at senior level than those two put together.

What a bullshit comment and allows us to continue to accept mediocrity. As soon as we sit on our hands, the second the rest of the competition overtakes us and thats been our friggen problem for 25 YEARS.

Next please

I thought King has shown enough. Sure he needs to improve but so does every one else.

 

[The Rusty Trombone]

We laugh at you.

Jackson and King are not depth players... they are liabilities.

Meyer, Connors, Polo, Hughes, Collins, JON, etc... they are our depth, not proven rubbish that cant make it.

I find it funny that people use this excuse or strategy for blokes that physically can not cut it and make the grade by their own abaility. "Depth players" are project players... NOT BLOKES THAT HAVENT GOT THE ABILITY!

If you want fringe players to cover gaps during times of injuries and suspensions, then we keep Tivvo... he's shown f ucking a lot more at senior level than those two put together.

What a bullshit comment and allows us to continue to accept mediocrity. As soon as we sit on our hands, the second the rest of the competition overtakes us and thats been our friggen problem for 25 YEARS.

Next please

That is the worst post I've read all year. Did you happen to see Tivendales 2 momentous games this year. He got caught holding the ball several times , caught out on his right foot several times , his in ability to even get touch on his opponent or even attempt to make a tackle was so embarrassing he had no influence on any games what so ever and you wouldn't even dream of giving him a run with roll.

King held our side together for the first 5 games which we won 2 and a half of. And has been in and out all year and mainly because of injury.He has got alot of deficiencies in his game that can be turned around. I'm not sure what has happened to Jackson and yes he might be given the flick at years end but there is one player at the Richmond Football Club that has had a red pen through his name since round 3 and that is Greg Tivendale. I'd say everyone has another 6 weeks to impress including (loath to say it) Chris Hyde.

I'd chuck King in the midfield group over the off season and if he can't make the firsts make him Captain of Coburg and elevate him when needed. It would be great for Connors , Edwards , Collins and co to see on a weekly basis just what guts and determination can do for your game when running around in the 2's.

Coburg and Richmond are one club know and have been since Terry's arrival.

 

[TFLUA-Tiger]

There is no way King should be delisted.

Before you start thinking about getting him off the list - remember he's only in his second year of AFL footy - after coming off the rookie list last year. So, he might be 24, but he's still dealing with the transition to AFL footy.

He has the grunt, the passion, the gut running, that we all want to see in our young players, and he has a desire to make it at AFL level.

Sure, he hasn't had a great year, and he has a few defficiencies in his game, but these defficiencies aren't gaping ones, and I strongly believe, they can, and will be resolved by Jake.

He's got to work harder on the defensive side of his game, and we all know that it's acheivable. For through the work ethic Jake has, anything is possible. He's also got to learn that when he makes silly errors, they cost the team momentum.

Play discipline hard ball, and keep him in Coburg till he learns it. It'll make him hurt, and make him desperate to be back in the yellow and black, and he'll improve, for that's the kind of guy Jake is.

I'm looking forward to seeing a new and improved Jake King, with a more defensive mindset at tigerland in seasons to come.

 

[I'm the Juggernaut]

Every night I read trade Jake King , trade McGuane to the Gold Coast , Bowden is washed up , show Raines the door ,Jackson and Jon have to go. Great teams have depth and when a important first grader is injured a handy footballer replaces him and the team stays stable (Tom Lonergan ring a bell).When a player like Mitch Morton knows he has to perform or Pettifer will get a game he performs. I honestly think some of you blokes pull your pudds that hard when it comes to who should and shouldn't stay. Depth and pressure for positions is what breeds success.

This is the first year in a decade where we've had the luxury of having some thought of depth in any way shape or form and we are currently 10th, same time next year we'll probably be 5-7th .

At the end of the year Hyde and Tivendale will be shown the door ( 2 years late in my opinion) and the coaching staff will have to make some tough decisions. Why openly bag the piss out of young players trying to do their best and keep their spots. Especially when we are trying to ride a wave of young raw energy to try and do the mathematically possible and make the 8.

It took Wallace 1 pre season to turn Jake King into a footballer , why not give him another pre season to turn him into a great one. I laugh hard at any one that bags Luke McGuane on this site. He turns up week in week out on absolute monsters and does his job and is always improving. His disposal is sometimes sloppy but generally that is because he is a backman and is under immense pressure. Raines looked like he was about to have a huge season before his injury.

Hands off the tossels boys and let these boys grow as a group. i don't care who plays for Coburg next year as long as the Richmnond Footy Club is winning.

i'm on board

 

[Morro]

Do you think Kingy could be a tagger in the mould of Libber?

Tough, agressive, determined and bloody annoying

 

[Heisenberg_]

Do you think Kingy could be a tagger in the mould of Libber?

Tough, agressive, determined and bloody annoying

No.
He can't defend, Polo will be a much better tagger then King would, I would also rather he had the ball then King.

 

[The Rusty Trombone]

Do you think Kingy could be a tagger in the mould of Libber?

Tough, agressive, determined and bloody annoying

could prove so but that's not the point. The Blokes been found out a couple of times because of his none defensive attitude and in ability to concentrate or keep his cool. All can be fixed in a off season. The Coaching Staff would all ready be on to it. Jake has the ability to play consistent regular first grade for Richmond. I wouldn't entertain the idea of flicking him unless we were offered a huge incentive and I mean huge and that applys to all players, but don't take a car to the scrap heap because its got a dent in it. If Kingy was totally crap like Hyde and Tivendale then I'd be up in arms about moving him on as well but he's not.

 

[Moreaux]

Sasegum thought's quotes about TT OP ohg thats right nasty chest infection hasn't been on here much lately lol