I've decided. We MUST vote Casey

[itsintheblood]

Well after some long hard thinking and after having read in detail the annual report i got in the mail yesterday, and also after all the great debates on these boards, I've come to the conlusion that we MUST re-elect Casey for a number of reasons.

1. We CANNOT afford to put in a team of unknown quantities in Macek and his band of know-nothing clonies. Brendan Schwab especially. They have given me NOTHING to go on in terms of how they plan to lift this once great club. Better the devil you know than the devil you don't.

2. Stability. We MUST follow this path, even on the back of a disasterous financial result which I attribute directly to the destruction of our football list by Frawley and his sidekicks. No-one can convince me that failure on the field doesn't lead to disaster off it. Proof is in the pudding. Who would want to go and watch the 3 legged horses we were putting on the track each week?

3. Terry Wallace must have 100% support of those who employed him.

4. The groundwork appears to have been done in terms of cost reduction and realistic revenue forecasts for next year under the supervision of the AFL.

5. Greg Miller is important in the makeup at this point in time. We need him more than we don't. He's just eliminated Ty Zantuck who obviously had a negative impact on the group due to his behaviour. He's someone elses problem now.

6. There is no guarantee that we won't end up with a mixed selection on the board after the election which will cause more bloodletting and friction.

 

[UpTheGuts]

I've decided:

You're myopic, ignorant and wrong.

You attribute all of the financial woes to Frawley? Membership hasn't been too bad and actually increased by about 10% last year!! Not willing to consider that Casey's unilateral appointment of idiot Ian Campbell and then permitting the football budget to blow out by $500,000 might have had a fraction of an influence.

I've got an idea - go to the AGM and read out what you've just posted - you'll be booed/ laughed out of the auditorium. I respect your right to vote the way you feel, I just really really don't agree with you.

 

[Colonel Matrix]

'Myopic' = Word of the day (only coz I didn't have a clue what it meant!

my·o·pi·a ( P ) Pronunciation Key (m-p-)
n.

1. A visual defect in which distant objects appear blurred because their images are focused in front of the retina rather than on it; nearsightedness. Also called short sight.

2. Lack of discernment or long-range perspective in thinking or planning: “For Lorca, New York is a symbol of spiritual myopia” (Edwin Honig).

 

[starkravenmad2]

guess i must be myopic cause i agree 100% with u itsinthe.strange i thought my headaches came from reading all the i hate casey articles but now i see(well only short sightly)im myopic

 

[Darth_Tiger]

i do wonder if millers running for the board is just to clear a space for rex hunt. just a thought.

 

[tigertime]

Agreed. We cant afford not to vote for Casey.

Well after some long hard thinking and after having read in detail the annual report i got in the mail yesterday, and also after all the great debates on these boards, I've come to the conlusion that we MUST re-elect Casey for a number of reasons.

 

[itsintheblood]

I've decided:

You're myopic, ignorant and wrong.

You attribute all of the financial woes to Frawley? Membership hasn't been too bad and actually increased by about 10% last year!! Not willing to consider that Casey's unilateral appointment of idiot Ian Campbell and then permitting the football budget to blow out by $500,000 might have had a fraction of an influence.

I've got an idea - go to the AGM and read out what you've just posted - you'll be booed/ laughed out of the auditorium. I respect your right to vote the way you feel, I just really really don't agree with you.

You don't have to agree at all. We live in a democratic society and that's the beauty about this country. Free speech is paramount.

However, if you are prepared to vote for a group of people who have nothing new to offer apart from instability and more bloodletting then go ahead. It's your democratic right to do so.

And if you don't believe Danny Frawley's (and his clowns) performance in the football depts had little to do with our destruction then you are indeed a fool and obviously didn't go to many games this year. Membership was up yes but if you were providing corporate hospitality to a customer would you honestly have taken them to see the tigers play? This is where our cash flow hurt the most. We were a basket case on the field this year and it bordered on embarrassing. The crap that Frawley agreed to recruit was a disgrace and you can't tell me that this doesn't lead to less money coming into the club. Sure they obviously made a mistake in appointing Campbell and Casey has made his fair share of mistakes, no question. However, if you're prepared to vote for a new board with no clear vision aside from offering stability then I think you're the one who'd be booed out of the auditorium. Brendan Scwab and Peter Welsh resigned from the board when it became apparent they were clearly responsible for the problems coming to fruition instead of staying put and raising their hand.

 

[starkravenmad2]

wonder the same thing darth and only problem i really have with it is Rex really what we need .im not sure

 

[itsintheblood]

wonder the same thing darth and only problem i really have with it is Rex really what we need .im not sure

Rex is a bit of a loose canon and what he did at the airport this year proves this but I'd say, conservatively, he'd bring in minimum $1m in sponsorship if he was involved. That can't be a bad thing can it?

 

[starkravenmad2]

agree he bring in dollars but he also has ability to do a fair amount of harm with his outspoken and not very well thought out comments and hard to see him being a team player on the board unless he gets his own way .could be wrong only my opinion

 

[One-eyed Tiger]

Well after some long hard thinking and after having read in detail the annual report i got in the mail yesterday, and also after all the great debates on these boards, I've come to the conlusion that we MUST re-elect Casey for a number of reasons.

1. We CANNOT afford to put in a team of unknown quantities in Macek and his band of know-nothing clonies. Brendan Schwab especially. They have given me NOTHING to go on in terms of how they plan to lift this once great club. Better the devil you know than the devil you don't.

2. Stability. We MUST follow this path, even on the back of a disasterous financial result which I attribute directly to the destruction of our football list by Frawley and his sidekicks. No-one can convince me that failure on the field doesn't lead to disaster off it. Proof is in the pudding. Who would want to go and watch the 3 legged horses we were putting on the track each week?

3. Terry Wallace must have 100% support of those who employed him.

4. The groundwork appears to have been done in terms of cost reduction and realistic revenue forecasts for next year under the supervision of the AFL.

5. Greg Miller is important in the makeup at this point in time. We need him more than we don't. He's just eliminated Ty Zantuck who obviously had a negative impact on the group due to his behaviour. He's someone elses problem now.

6. There is no guarantee that we won't end up with a mixed selection on the board after the election which will cause more bloodletting and friction.

Isn't this a bit of a backflip. I thought you wanted Casey gone?

FWIW I agree with alot of what you've said. I've been thinking the departure of Casey would be a good thing but events in the past couple of weeks have led me to change my mind. Having said that I'm still not 100% sure which way I'm going to vote other than I will not vote for independants or a mixed board.

I lay alot of the blame with our former AFL recommended CEO in Ian Campbell and I think it's way too simplistic to find Casey 100% to blame for this. Could this be why the AFL are seemingly backing Casey?

 

[itsintheblood]

agree he bring in dollars but he also has ability to do a fair amount of harm with his outspoken and not very well thought out comments and hard to see him being a team player on the board unless he gets his own way .could be wrong only my opinion

Well it's not an issue right now so there's no use worrying about it.

 

[itsintheblood]

Isn't this a bit of a backflip. I thought you wanted Casey gone?

FWIW I agree with alot of what you've said. I've been thinking the departure of Casey would be a good thing but events in the past couple of weeks have led me to change my mind. Having said that I'm still not 100% sure which way I'm going to vote other than I will not vote for independants or a mixed board.

I lay alot of the blame with our former AFL recommended CEO in Ian Campbell and I think it's way too simplistic to find Casey 100% to blame for this. Could this be why the AFL are seemingly backing Casey?

Believe me OET, if there was a better alternative with some clear vision I'd definately want casey out purely because of the horrific loss but there isnt one so I feel it's now best to stick.

If rex hunt was running the opposing ticket as president he'd absolutely walk it in.

Who knows what the AFL's agenda is.

 

[One-eyed Tiger]

Have to agree it's not much of a choice, pretty depressing actually.

On a more positive note, the Tiges are training down at Vic park in 30 minutes and I think I'll make the most of my day off work and amble over and have a look at the kids.

 

[itsintheblood]

Have to agree it's not much of a choice, pretty depressing actually.

On a more positive note, the Tiges are training down at Vic park in 30 minutes and I think I'll make the most of my day off work and amble over and have a look at the kids.

Give us some feedback dude.

 

[scroda]

1. We CANNOT afford to put in a team of unknown quantities in Macek and his band of know-nothing clonies.

As a response to point one (and I know this does not address all your problems but I thought it was a good start).

I decided to go googling and this what I came up with for Michael Humphris - one of the members of Maceks ticket:

http://www.horwath.com.au/services/insolvency/directors_humphris.asp


He is not an unknown quantity at all. If there was one person amongst the 20 hopefuls on the ticket who would know what to do to turn loss into profit, i think this is the man.

 

[starkravenmad2]

Scroda,i think if u check out maurice o"sannaseys profile u will find he has humpris and all others covered finacially speaking

 

[itsintheblood]

As a response to point one (and I know this does not address all your problems but I thought it was a good start).

I decided to go googling and this what I came up with for Michael Humphris - one of the members of Maceks ticket:

http://www.horwath.com.au/services/insolvency/directors_humphris.asp


He is not an unknown quantity at all. If there was one person amongst the 20 hopefuls on the ticket who would know what to do to turn loss into profit, i think this is the man.

But you see this isnt the main issue I feel. The plans have already been put into place and are set in concrete for 2005 with the approval of the AFL. The club is aiming for a loss of $150,00 next year and a profit in 2006 BASED ON CONSERVATIVE REVENUE ESTIMATES AND NO "BLUE-SKY" MONEY COMING IN. Cost reductions to the tune of $1.5m have already been set in concrete with salary reductions and football dept cuts. If we happen to have a stellar season next year and extra income starts flowing in, then this is a bonus. This is known as "blue-sky" money. ie. not budgeted.

 

[starkravenmad2]

Scroda,i think if u check out maurice o"sannassys profile u will find he has humpris and all others covered finacially speaking

 

[malreid]

I've decided:

You're myopic, ignorant and wrong.

You attribute all of the financial woes to Frawley? Membership hasn't been too bad and actually increased by about 10% last year!! Not willing to consider that Casey's unilateral appointment of idiot Ian Campbell and then permitting the football budget to blow out by $500,000 might have had a fraction of an influence.

I've got an idea - go to the AGM and read out what you've just posted - you'll be booed/ laughed out of the auditorium. I respect your right to vote the way you feel, I just really really don't agree with you.

You're right on the Membership thing but imagine the gate receipts if we were at least competitive.
Instead of 27,000 members attending home games we could have 27,000 Members + 27,000 supporters.
I'm not sure what % of the gate receipt goes to the home team but it would make a considerable difference to the bottom line.

It appears we are headed in the right direction and if Casey is re-elected and all goes bad then we have no-one to blame but ourselves.

My vote goes to Casey.

 

[evo]

Ahh geeze.Not you too IITB.


If nothing else Casey is a master politician.He's convinced just about everyone that we just can't do without him.


Personally I'd prefer someone who values honesty and integrity and is half way competent but if you guys want to stick with the slickster there's not much else to say.

As they say in the classics 'the voters get the government they deserve'.

 

[itsintheblood]

Ahh geeze.Not you too IITB.


If nothing else Casey is a master politician.He's convinced just about everyone that we just can't do without him.


Personally I'd prefer someone who values honesty and integrity and is half way competent but if you guys want to stick with the slickster there's not much else to say.

As they say in the classics 'the voters get the government they deserve'.

Don't get me wrong evo. I know Casey is a plotter and is trying to save his arse but the alternative is worse. Do you trust Brendan Schwab? He ran when the heat got too much in the kitchen and blamed business committments and now we find him running for the other ticket. Smacks of hypocrisy dont you think?

 

[evo]

I don't agree with that but even if you do.If you don't trust Schwab.Don't vote for Schwab.

There's many other very credible choices.

Marcek and Humpris are good men.Honest and competent.Even vote maybe the new guy Casey got from Merril Lynch he sounds good too.

Just not Casey.He's been running our club like his own personal play thing."My way or the highway" is his motto.

Good long serving Richmond people have dropped like flies around him.It's been his way or no way.It wouldn't be so bad if he was competent,but he isn't.

You say vote Casey for stabiltiy.Gimme a break, he's been the most unstable influence in the 30 odd years I've followed the Mighty Tiges.

Why do you guys think intelligent people like Weaver who are close to the club won't have a bar of Casey?

Why do you think scores of good and honest former Tiger greats have stuck their reputation on the line to try and help the Alternative?

Do guys like Francis Bourke seem dishonest to you?

He has divided our entire club.

Stability.Don't make me laugh.We'll never be stable with this guy around.

 

[itsintheblood]

I don't agree with that but even if you do.If you don't trust Schwab.Don't vote for Schwab.

There's many other very credible choices.

Marcek and Humpris are good men.Honest and competent.Even vote maybe the new guy Casey got from Merril Lynch he sounds good too.

Just not Casey.He's been running our club like his own personal play thing."My way or the highway" is his motto.

Good long serving Richmond people have dropped like flies around him.It's been his way or no way.It wouldn't be so bad if he was competent,but he isn't.

You say vote Casey for stabiltiy.Gimme a break, he's been the most unstable influence in the 30 odd years I've followed the Mighty Tiges.

Why do you guys think intelligent people like Weaver who are close to the club won't have a bar of Casey?

Why do you think scores of good and honest former Tiger greats have stuck their reputation on the line to try and help the Alternative?

Do guys like Francis Bourke seem dishonest to you?

He has divided our entire club.

Stability.Don't make me laugh.We'll never be stable with this guy around.

What you say is fine and I don't disagree with you. I certainly ain't voting for Casey's good qualities cause you could count them on less than one hand. I'm simply looking at it from the other alternative in that they have not offered one iota of what they're about. How about signing on some new major sponsors as a carrot and saying "here we have a list of 5 new major sponsors who'd be interested in supporting the club on the back of the new ticket?" Why didn't schwab and welsh come out and say when they resigned because they didnt agree with how the club was run instead of pulling the old "business committments" crap?

All they've said so far is "we offer stability". Not enough I'm afraid.

 

[jezza]

Don't get me wrong evo. I know Casey is a plotter and is trying to save his arse but the alternative is worse. Do you trust Brendan Schwab? He ran when the heat got too much in the kitchen and blamed business committments and now we find him running for the other ticket. Smacks of hypocrisy dont you think?

That's not why Schwab left, you should have a read of his resignation letter. Basically he left because Casey started effectively running the club himself, taking no advice from other board members, not letting the appropriate committees make decisions, basically poor coporate governance.