I've decided. We MUST vote Casey

[evo]

What you say is fine and I don't disagree with you. I certainly ain't voting for Casey's good qualities cause you could count them on less than one hand. I'm simply looking at it from the other alternative in that they have not offered one iota of what they're about. How about signing on some new major sponsors as a carrot and saying "here we have a list of 5 new major sponsors who'd be interested in supporting the club on the back of the new ticket?" Why didn't schwab and welsh come out and say when they resigned that they didnt agree with how the club was run instead of pulling the old "business committments" crap?

All they've said so far is "we offer stability". Not enough I'm afraid.

Look IITB you know why Schwab and Welsh left.Casey was running the boardroom like his own little fiefdom.Casey doesn't listen to anyone elses opinions it was unworkable.

Again.If you don't like Welsh ansd Schwab don't vote for them.



If you want to see what the Alternative has to offer read this.......
click Tiger Big 4

http://www.rhettrospective.com/rhett_weekly_update.htm

Then after you read it take note of the testimonials of some of the Tiger players at the bottom.

Honest guys like D Clay,Francis Bourke,Jimmy Jess,Emmit Dunne or Paul Broderick.

Can you remember these guys being political in the past?

Why suddenly all these people coming out in support of the alternative IITB?

These are good Tiger people who don't want our club to continue down the shytehole.

They have nothing to gain other than to see Richmond be handed back to the real owners of the club.

Us, the members.

 

[itsintheblood]

That's not why Schwab left, you should have a read of his resignation letter. Basically he left because Casey started effectively running the club himself, taking no advice from other board members, not letting the appropriate committees make decisions, basically poor coporate governance.

Can you show me a copy? I didn't know such a letter was made public at the time he resigned.

 

[itsintheblood]

Look IITB you know why Schwab and Welsh left.Casey was running the boardroom like his own little fiefdom.Casey doesn't listen to anyone elses opinions it was unworkable.

Again.If you don't like Welsh ansd Schwab don't vote for them.



If you want to see what the Alternative has to offer read this.......
click Tiger Big 4

http://www.rhettrospective.com/rhett_weekly_update.htm

Then after you read it take note of the testimonials of some of the Tiger players at the bottom.

Honest guys like D Clay,Francis Bourke,Jimmy Jess,Emmit Dunne or Paul Broderick.

Can you remember these guys being political in the past?

Why suddenly all these people coming out in support of the alternative IITB?

These are good Tiger people who don't want our club to continue down the shytehole.

They have nothing to gain other than to see Richmond be handed back to the real owners of the club.

Us, the members.

Good reading evo but where have all these tiger champions been recently and have only come out of the woodwork when the club is on it's knees and become experts all of a sudden? Why does it take a disaster for them to get involved? They've had plenty of time to show their voice and help the club out. Why does it take another bloody coup for this to happen? Aren't you sick and tired of the political infighting after 20 years? When will it end? Then after 3 years the club could still be in the schitthouse and you'll be calling for Macek's head. Is it the answer?

The club currently faces a deficit in retained earnings of $745,000. Not a huge amount to be able to correct. With all the budget plans in place for next year this will be turned around quickly. A turnaround of $2m will se retained earnings quickly back in the black. Do we really need another blood letting scenario?

Our biggest problem is culture and killing people off as soon as things turn a little sour without giving them some more time to right the wrongs. We could have sacked frawley last year but we honored the contract, to the detriment of the club.

 

[tigertime]

Where is your honesty Evo.

Your the one who said a clearly biased & slanderous article is perfectly alright.

Give me a break.

I havent seen any dishonesty from Casey. I see a guy battling his guts out for the benefit of the RFC. And a pack of bitter vultures with nothing better to do trying to derail him.

Ahh geeze.Not you too IITB.


If nothing else Casey is a master politician.He's convinced just about everyone that we just can't do without him.


Personally I'd prefer someone who values honesty and integrity and is half way competent but if you guys want to stick with the slickster there's not much else to say.

As they say in the classics 'the voters get the government they deserve'.

 

[evo]

Good reading evo but where have all these tiger champions been recently and have only come out of the woodwork when the club is on it's knees and become experts all of a sudden? Why does it take a disaster for them to get involved? They've had plenty of time to show their voice and help the club out. Why does it take another bloody coup for this to happen? Aren't you sick and tired of the political infighting after 20 years? When will it end? Then after 3 years the club could still be in the schitthouse and you'll be calling for Macek's head. Is it the answer?

Well maybe they aren't normally into the politics.Maybe they're like us and just like to go to the footy with their mates and watch the Tiges.
The fact they suddenly chirped up when most of them are private people says alot to me.

The club currently faces a deficit in retained earnings of $745,000. Not a huge amount to be able to correct. With all the budget plans in place for next year this will be turned around quickly. A turnaround of $2m will se retained earnings quickly back in the black. Do we really need another blood letting scenario?

They've budgeted for a small losses next year.This time last t year Casey budgeted for a 'small profit' and here we are 2.2m in the red.

Our biggest problem is culture and killing people off as soon as things turn a little sour without giving them some more time to right the wrongs. We could have sacked frawley last year but we honored the contract, to the detriment of the club.

Casey has been there 5 years dude.Are you saying he didn't get a fair chance.We are the worst performing club on and off the field.By a long way.

Maybe Spud should be invited back to coach apparantly 5 uyears isn't long enough.

If that isn't bad enough the place is totally divided.

Coterie members aren't made welcome at their own club.It's an absolute farce.

Anyway I've said my peice.It's a democracy(hopefully)

You guys vote your conscience.

 

[evo]

Where is your honesty Evo.

QUOTE]

Where's my honesty.?Whats it got to do with me?

All I was saying about that article is that here's more people saying unflattering things about Casey.
Is everyone wrong?

Everyone is being dishonest except Casey?

Even the cheer squad guy is saying he is divisive.What would he have to gain.

I'm just a run of the mill Tiger supporter Tigertime.And don't like being called dishonest to tell the truth.

You can take my comments with a grain of salt if you like.It's a free country.

 

[itsintheblood]

Well maybe they aren't normally into the politics.Maybe they're like us and just like to go to the footy with their mates and watch the Tiges.
The fact they suddenly chirped up when most of them are private people says alot to me.

They've budgeted for a small losses next year.This time last t year Casey budgeted for a 'small profit' and here we are 2.2m in the red.




Casey has been there 5 years dude.Are you saying he didn't get a fair chance.We are the worst performing club on and off the field.By a long way.

Maybe Spud should be invited back to coach apparantly 5 uyears isn't long enough.

If that isn't bad enough the place is totally divided.

Coterie members aren't made welcome at their own club.It's an absolute farce.

Anyway I've said my peice.It's a democracy(hopefully)

You guys vote your conscience.

You're kidding right? They're not into the politics? They've been recruited by Macek because he has nothing else to offer. "Here's our past champions who care about the club and want to see it succeed". What a load of crock. I don't see past champions on boards of most of the other clubs aside from Hawthorn. These past champions have had plenty of opportunity to offer their assistance in the past and all of a sudden someone goes to them and paints a diabolical picture and that's all it takes.

Why are we the only club that this happens to? Can you answer me that question?

 

[UpTheGuts]

This is the letter of resignation from Schwab - read it then tell me he never made his concerns known and "ran".... he only wanted the best for the club by my reading and was probably concerned that if he remained then there was a better than average chance of incurring personal liability as a director of a club trading insolvently...

Dear Clinton,

It is with regret that I tender my resignation as a member of the Board of Directors of Richmond Football Club Limited to take effect immediately.

My resignation is based on a number of fundamental concerns I have with the management of the Board and, in turn, the Club. My concerns, are well known to you and the Board , having previously been documented and raised in meetings by me. Those concerns centre around:

 poor strategic planning, illustrated by the fact that the Club presently does not have in place any strategic plan that has been discussed or adopted by the Board;

 a lack of focus on managing the performance of key staff, including the football department, which is a consequence of the absence of a strategic plan and, accordingly, precise performance measures; and

 increasingly, concerns over the Club’s corporate governance.

The Club’s disappointing results on and off the field are the culmination of these fundamental failures at Board level.

My attempts to address and rectify these failings have either been rejected outright or met with obfuscation and resistance. In particular:
 The Club’s 2003 audited accounts, which, together with the accompanying Directors’ Declaration, were signed off by yourself without ever being put to the Board for consideration;
 The February Board and Governance Committee meetings were cancelled despite my request for the Board to hold an additional meeting before the Annual General Meeting in January to consider matters of concern I had in relation to the Clubs 2003 Audited accounts;
 The auditors report on the Clubs 2003 accounts raises specific issues in relation the Clubs ability to continue trading;
 Notwithstanding the auditors report and my request for a meeting of the Board and Governance Committee the Board has not met for a period of approximately 4 months to discuss the Clubs financial position;
 The decision of the Club to accept third party security from yourself personally for the Clubs overdraft facility was never put to the Board for consideration; and
 The Board has not had an opportunity to consider any budget forecasts, cash flow forecasts or sensitivity analysis thereof for the coming season or any period thereafter.

I hold firm views that the Board as a whole has a fundamental role to play in setting the strategic direction for the Club with the CEO, monitoring the implementation of that plan, ensuring the highest standards of corporate governance and adding value to management when appropriate.

In the circumstances I find my continued position on the Board to be untenable and it is with regret that I herby resign.

It goes without saying that my love of and commitment to the Club and its people is undiminished.

Yours sincerely,

 

[starkravenmad2]

just a question for maybe evo and others.how is it on this and other sites what ever cc says is a lie or at least dishonest but schawbs word and letter is taken as gospel without even a query.for gods sake he is a lawyer serious question btw

 

[itsintheblood]

just a question for maybe evo and others.how is it on this and other sites what ever cc says is a lie or at least dishonest but schawbs word and letter is taken as gospel without even a query.for gods sake he is a lawyer serious question btw

We'll never know the truth of what's going on. Electing any of these guys is a stab in the dark. You just don't know what you're getting.

 

[tigertime]

Very good point stark.

A slander campaign is based on throwing as much mud at someone as you can. Percentages are, enough of it will stick and peoples perceptions will be clouded.

Never trust someone whose tactics in winning an election is to continuously throw mud at their opponent. No honour in those tactics at all.

Schwab and co are only good at one thing. Sniping.

The only point that can be verified is that the club lost x amount of money. Well, thats what happens when you have the worst coach in the clubs history and finish last. And when you have snipers in your midst pretending to have the clubs best interest at heart but really just wanting power.

Onfield performance certainly is not solely attributable to the President. This whole Casey is a bad person is a beat up. This election is all about egos. That includes cheer squad members who got bent out of shape when changes were made. This includes every level of the club.

What Casey has done well is to finally kick out dissenters. Now they are trying to take over by any means possible. Thats not in the clubs best interests.

just a question for maybe evo and others.how is it on this and other sites what ever cc says is a lie or at least dishonest but schawbs word and letter is taken as gospel without even a query.for gods sake he is a lawyer serious question btw

 

[corporal]

Considering the plans are in place to get our finances right I think the only point of voting Casey out would be to "punish" him. We'll this really help our club get back on track?.

Also it impress's me that Casey has not embarked on a smear campaign like the other party.

However the reason I will be voting for Casey's ticket is he has the support of our football the department. And the only way we will get back on track is to start winning games, developing our list and most importantly winning Premierships and I don't want to risk anything that may disrupt this process.

Whether people agree or disagree, we cannot let this board room crap divide, because that is all it is, because ultimately I think we are on the right track for success in the first time in 24 years.

 

[Heisenberg_]

Not willing to consider that Casey's unilateral appointment of idiot Ian Campbell and then permitting the football budget to blow out by $500,000 might have had a fraction of an influence.

You will find that the afl strongly recommended that we should appoint Ian Campbell

 

[Punt_Road_Roar]

You will find that the afl strongly recommended that we should appoint Ian Campbell

and you will also find most Richmond supporters were actually excited to get Ian Campbell with his business links to MJ and Nike.

 

[Weaver]

The only point that can be verified is that the club lost x amount of money. Well, thats what happens when you have the worst coach in the clubs history and finish last.

Cherished myth.

The truth is that the membership budget was 0.3 million behind but made up for when the gate takings were 0.3 million above budget.

The loss of $2.2 million was made up corporate income being $1.1m below budget (and we know that half the presidents men walked out), $.5 million overspending by the footy department, $0.3 million overspending by the administration.

So that is $1.9 million of the loss coming from budget shortfalls which have nothing to do with how rubbish Frawley was.

 

[oxx]

If you want the new board and president to be two-faced,incompetent,unqualified in the field,egotistical and basically the voice of
the spineless,misinformed creatures that post at PRE (Pahoff Rosy Enterprises) then Macek is your man.

Good on you all for being stupid.

Casey is in the postition now where his every move will be scrutinised,not just by the macek group but by media and supporters alike.
It will be impossible to hide anything.

In the name of stability (did we learn nothing from the frawley sentence?)
vote Casey.The last thing we want is the club to introduce our newest batch of kids to an OLD culture.

 

[Weaver]

Considering the plans are in place to get our finances right I think the only point of voting Casey out would be to "punish" him. We'll this really help our club get back on track?.

Or to prevent him from continuing to erode our future.

Also it impress's me that Casey has not embarked on a smear campaign like the other party.

Both groups are equally guilty of dirty tricks. Miller threatening to resign, Casey's attacks on Schwab.

However the reason I will be voting for Casey's ticket is he has the support of our football the department. And the only way we will get back on track is to start winning games, developing our list and most importantly winning Premierships and I don't want to risk anything that may disrupt this process.

The only way to be a succesful team is if you can keep your finances in order and fund the footy department. The moment you get in debt you hand over running of your club to the AFL. You start losing players (in the way the Dogs lost Brown).

 

[corporal]

The only way to be a succesful team is if you can keep your finances in order and fund the footy department. The moment you get in debt you hand over running of your club to the AFL. You start losing players (in the way the Dogs lost Brown).

So how exactly is the alternative group going to improve the finances? what are they going to do differently Weaver?

 

[IDGAF]

Or to prevent him from continuing to erode our future.



Both groups are equally guilty of dirty tricks. Miller threatening to resign, Casey's attacks on Schwab.



The only way to be a succesful team is if you can keep your finances in order and fund the footy department. The moment you get in debt you hand over running of your club to the AFL. You start losing players (in the way the Dogs lost Brown).

More hysteria Weaver , handing the club over to the AFL , losing players ?

Fact is the AFL have cast a concerned eye over the club and are more than happy with the current set up and with the steps that have been put in place to rectify our current situation .

Settle down with the "scaremongering" Weaver ( Pahoff )

 

[itsintheblood]

So how exactly is the alternative group going to improve the finances? what are they going to do differently Weaver?

My question exactly. Do they have another 5 major sponsors or equivalent?

 

[corporal]

The only thing I can see the new group doing is causing disruption with the Football department that is the one thing I don't want happening.

I'm happy with our new CEO and it appears that independently assesed measures have been put in place to sure up our financial future.
I want the club to now move on and concentrate building a dynasty on the field.

Lets hear those's tigers roar once again.

 

[tigertime]

Are you telling me that coming last wasnt a big influence on the financial figures?

Why do you think the corporate income was down.

Would it have to do perhaps with

a) Not wanting to invest in a last placed club??

or

b) Schwab doesnt like Casey?

c) Its all Casey's fault (Thats the tool answer if you cant guess)


Why is the corporate income now on the way up?

a) Corporations have faith in the club again with all the changes.

b) Caseys appointments of Miller, Wallace and Wright were all on the money.

c) I dont know, Casey is a bad man. (Thats the tool answer if you cant guess)

Why isnt it even further up?

No multiple choice for this one.

The selfish egotistical wannabes that Casey dumped for not contributing have decided they can take advantage of these figures and take over the club and get revenge on Casey.

Use your brains. When these rats have crawled back into their holes, the RFC will continue on its merry way and finally we will have the success that we have so long craved.

Cherished myth.

The truth is that the membership budget was 0.3 million behind but made up for when the gate takings were 0.3 million above budget.

The loss of $2.2 million was made up corporate income being $1.1m below budget (and we know that half the presidents men walked out), $.5 million overspending by the footy department, $0.3 million overspending by the administration.

So that is $1.9 million of the loss coming from budget shortfalls which have nothing to do with how rubbish Frawley was.

 

[itsintheblood]

The only thing I can see the new group doing is causing disruption with the Football department that is the one thing I don't want happening.

I'm happy with our new CEO and it appears that independently assesed measures have been put in place to sure up our financial future.
I want the club to now move on and concentrate building a dynasty on the field.

Lets hear those's tigers roar once again.

Agreed. Disunity on the board will flow thru the whole club.

Please guys, why can't we all just be friends and work together?

 

[cairo tiger]

your entitled to your opinion blood and so am i.
casey led us to fianicial ruin he must go.
if miller wants to be aprt of it he can go to.
l like miller but i cant have my cake and eat it too.
for me it is time for a change and a sensible management plan.
casey cannot hide anymore he has ducked and weaved, he wil have the members decide his fate

 

[celtic_pride]

It seems to me (listening to talkback radio the last few days) that a lot of people will be voting for Casey's tix because Miller has sided with his board, and will leave the club if the opposing tix gets elected ?
That seems strange that so many people will vote for the incumbent just because he's swayed Greg Miller to run for his board ?
It is an big conflict of interest to have an football ceo on an board, I mean where would the accountability be if that happens ?
Miller don't forget gave Frawley the contract extension, and he traded the early draft pick (which eventually became #2 Daniel Wells) for Kane Johnson, so he is liable to make mistakes along the way.
I think Richmond members should take other matters into consideration (IE the massive that Richmond has incurred since Casey has been president)
Also the contracts under Casey's reign to players have been appalling (IE the massive contract that Darren Gaspar is signed to)
Vote for who you want, but I suspect that Richmond will continue to lose money (in the short and long term) under Clinton's reign as prez.