Analysis Jack Henry a forward? Rationalism and Bayesian Inference help you decide...

[Seeds]

Henry not a forward ?? He displays consistent efforts that prove his footy IQ is above average and his dexterity (tackling or ground ball) once the ball hits the deck is enormous. Each of which are hallmark traits of a top-line forward. Which Jack Henry are you watching?

Since when has tackling been the first thing you think of in a forward. The fact that is the feature you use suggests he ain’t a forward. When arguing with people who though buzza and kersten would make great forwards the first thing they pointed to was their defensive work. Forwards are there to kick goals and set them up.

 

[Turbocat]

Peak delusion is putting a line thru a kid who was a rookie pick 16 a year ago after he's played pretty much all year and been moved around more than the Goal Post shifters arguments in the CS coaching thread.

Is he a #1KPF - hell no. Not even close. But FFS let the kid play it out a bit. He was a bloody high jumper a few years ago and he's just played, and played really well, in his first year of AFL footy.

He can be developed and whilst I dont disagree that he's not Jack, Tommy, Josh, Ben or any of the top forwards in the league, im not ruling him out.

He reasds the ball really well in flight, can take a great pack mark, can kick resaonably well and has been a forward for about 12 minutes.

So for all your self appointed "smarts" id say you are bloody stupid to rule it out as a possibility.

But given there is only so much room in the noggin for brains and reason I guess the ego had to push something out.

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If we played blitz for years without knowing where the destination was.. the size of henry make this even more likely... he is years away from a finished product... that he can play so many role this early is quite a tick. Id not be too stressed about forward or back or win or ruck (i doubt ruck) ..but the talent he has displayed has several people putting him in Rising star top 3 ... I think its fair to say he has changed what we would have been saying we need to add at the start of the year.

Sav is the one we probably have pinned more of our hopes to.. we probably need him to be a KPF

 

[you pick one]

I have Jack Henry down as a potential future AA and Geelong Captain.A couple of years in the system and another 10kilos of muscle, he'll be a star.

 

[Pollywaffle]

Ok we have hit peak Henry delusion just like we hit peak buzza delusion last year and look how quickly that disintegrated.

Should be dropped if we had any forward talent In the reserves. He aint much better then kersten as a forward at this stage in his career. He will also never be a key position player at either end of the field. He is a flanker and nothing more. Defence is his go or he won’t make it.

Would be an indictment on the club if they didnt find a place for Henry although I agree he is a little bit of an 'inbetweener'.
Comparisons with the 'Buzza fever' we had last year are unfair. The kid can play.

 

[Pollywaffle]

In the last 60 years, it is the only role on the whole field in which Geelong has failed to produce a champion or even a near-great.

Bill Ryan ?

 

[Seeds]

Would be an indictment on the club if they didnt find a place for Henry although I agree he is a little bit of an 'inbetweener'.
Comparisons with the 'Buzza fever' we had last year are unfair. The kid can play.

He can play. But the fever is the same. The magnitude of it is different but it’s the same thing. Overlooking all the faults and making out the strengths are amazing.

 

[Seeds]

Comparisons with Buzza are just ridiculous; one is a good footballer with high-level potential, and the other is neither.
Comparisons with Kersten are equally spurious; one is a first-year player performing well above the norm for first-year players, and the other failed to perform in 5 years at the club.
You are simply wrong in your observations about Henry's abilities and current potential.

Funny when I was comparing buzza with Kersten as a forward I was told the comparison was ridiculous then and buzza was far more talented. When I was comparing Kereten with Walker I got the same thing. You are making the same mistake. Again and again this repeats. I’m mocked for it despite being proven right every time. Esava could finally be the real deal. Henry definitely is not (as a forward).

 

[tupac]

Since when has tackling been the first thing you think of in a forward. The fact that is the feature you use suggests he ain’t a forward. When arguing with people who though buzza and kersten would make great forwards the first thing they pointed to was their defensive work. Forwards are there to kick goals and set them up.

Tackling has become the most important facet of the modern game. Every team defends with a zone ....the ball is being scrubbed inside forward 50 because players up the field are also are under more (tackling) pressure. When the ball hits the deck you need players that can defend when the footy is not delivered on a platter. Hence why Menzel is almost redundant on a big ground.

Re Buzza/ Kersten: lol spell me the comparison

 

[Landgraft]

Funny when I was comparing buzza with Kersten as a forward I was told the comparison was ridiculous then and buzza was far more talented. When I was comparing Kereten with Walker I got the same thing. You are making the same mistake. Again and again this repeats. I’m mocked for it despite being proven right every time. Esava could finally be the real deal. Henry definitely is not (as a forward).

Maybe part of your problem is you keep comparing players that are very little alike.

 

[you pick one]

Bill Ryan ?

This bloke was our best CHF in the last 60.The other little bloke was exciting as well around goal.

 

[Seeds]

This bloke was our best CHF in the last 60.The other little bloke was exciting as well around goal.

Want to be careful posting this. Bizarrely there is an anti Stoneham hâte club on this board. Dont unleash them.

Brownless and Graham also proved themselves pretty good centre half forwards in the short period they played the position.

 

[Strange Cat]

Want to be careful posting this. Bizarrely there is an anti Stoneham hâte club on this board. Dont unleash them.

Brownless and Graham also proved themselves pretty good centre half forwards in the short period they played the position.

There is a stone ham hate club on here?

Really?

Never seen it personally

 

[Seeds]

There is a stone ham hate club on here?

Really?

Never seen it personally

It’s been a few years since it has been discussed. Don’t want to go back there.

 

[Seeds]

Maybe part of your problem is you keep comparing players that are very little alike.

They were all playing the same second forward role. Yes they played it very differently but that doesn’t mean you can’t compare. Especially since the comparison was ultimately in relation to whether they were going to be good enough to be a long term option in that role.

 

[dazbroncos]

Thank god this got moved to its own...

dungheap.

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[you pick one]

He's not big enough to be a key.

He'll finish up the same height and weight as pavlich.

 

[Seeds]

Ok, we have hit peak seeds contrarian negativity with Henry just like we have seen over the last year with the team. Negativity for the sake of negativity.

Seeds seems like the bloke that invites himself to a party, eats all the food, steals a few beers, pisses on the porch and leaves.

No peak Seeds negativity as we have seen with buzza, Kersten, walker, brown etc. Do you think I am wrong in those cases? Negativity for the sake of reality.

I’ve never pissed on the porch at a party. Vomited on the porch twice. But the circumstances were justified at least one of those times. The other team I was a di**k (I’m nicer now).

 

[Seeds]

He'll finish up the same height and weight as pavlich.

Doesn’t have the same bulk though. He will get bigger but hopefully not to much as it will impact his great leap.

 

[thejester]

Lots of potential. But as a defender. He can’t lead, isn’t big enough to take a mark with a defender hanging off him (he needs to run and take a leap to get his marks in a pack and that won’t work with a defender on him). Also has a poor turning circle and not exactly a player you see capable of roving packs and snapping goals. There is no forward craft with him.

I thought he made some really strong leads yesterday but I was watching on an iPad so could be mistaken. What in particular makes you think he can't lead - speed or nouse?

 

[Seeds]

Thank god this got moved to its own...

dungheap.

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I look forward in three years time to you coming and admitting in this thread that I was right like all the other times as we watch Henry become a great half back flanker.


I totally see it happening.

 

[Mad_Hatter]

Thank god this got moved to its own...

dungheap.

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Most of this board (actually the entire site) is now to be fair.
Seems most of the more active posters are more interested in point scoring and throwing posts in faces than anything resembling what this place used to be like.

 

[Seeds]

I thought he made some really strong leads yesterday but I was watching on an iPad so could be mistaken. What in particular makes you think he can't lead - speed or nouse?

He ain’t a horrible lead but given his size it would have to be a strength to make it as a forward. Part lack of nous and part lack of acceleration. Nous can be taught of course so he could improve there.

 

[you pick one]

Doesn’t have the same bulk though. He will get bigger but hopefully not to much as it will impact his great leap.

Blitz is unrecognizable from the day he walked into the Cattery,heaven knows what their body's develop into.

 

[Warhorse]

As a defender his reminds me of Darryl white for some reason.

 

[dazbroncos]

I look forward in three years time to you coming and admitting in this thread that I was right like all the other times as we watch Henry become a great half back flanker.


I totally see it happening.

What the flog are you talking about.

You've taken me saying dont put a line thru a first year player as a potential forward option to me saying he cant be anything but a forward and ill come back here in admitting i was wrong saying he couldnt play back.

You are ****ing deluded and clearly spent too much time with your nose too close to your statistical books.

Oh.. and that some confidence thinking you'll make it 3 years. I got some statistical theories for you on that one. Look up Dazbroncian Inference in Statistical Analysis.

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