Opinion Jack Steven

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I wonder how in gods name Geelong can keep Kelly and trade for a contracted Steven?
 
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StCicatriz said:
very real chance kelly stays at Geelong. somethings changed recently.
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Yep an interview where had no choice but to answer that. Also I think if you heard the whole interview Id suggest nothing has changed. He will ask to leave when the season is over for Geelong.
 
gringo2011 said:
Bing has a 2020 contract, if the AFL step in and say you have to stick to the AFL contract you signed, it isn't coercion, it's the administering body making the parties stick to the contract that was signed.

How is that hard to understand?
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Totally incorrect in contract law.

The contract is between the football club and the player.
The AFL is a third party.
It would be like the BCA coercing a business and a contractor to interfere in an agreement.
Not only basic contract law 101 but a range of sections of the Corps Law.
 
SaintsSeptember said:
If they want him and they can't afford the cap, we can pay part of it.
But only if the trade is right.
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I don’t see that happening unless they offer a ridiculously good deal.

They’ll have to find big money to keep Kelly and jack is on big coin so that’s starting to look very complicated. Ablett goes around again and Kelly stays all of a sudden it’s where do they use him and how much do they want him.

They have a couple of young blokes who have stepped up during the season as well so do you want to slow their development etc. It could easily end up a case of 12 months is a long time in football which is a good example of why you don’t burn your bridges unnecessarily.
 
Yawkey way said:
I don’t see that happening unless they offer a ridiculously good deal.

They’ll have to find big money to keep Kelly and jack is on big coin so that’s starting to look very complicated. Ablett goes around again and Kelly stays all of a sudden it’s where do they use him and how much do they want him.

They have a couple of young blokes who have stepped up during the season as well so do you want to slow their development etc. It could easily end up a case of 12 months is a long time in football which is a good example of why you don’t burn your bridges unnecessarily.
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Don't reckon Kelly will be staying.
 
Yawkey way said:
I don’t see that happening unless they offer a ridiculously good deal.

They’ll have to find big money to keep Kelly and jack is on big coin so that’s starting to look very complicated. Ablett goes around again and Kelly stays all of a sudden it’s where do they use him and how much do they want him.

They have a couple of young blokes who have stepped up during the season as well so do you want to slow their development etc. It could easily end up a case of 12 months is a long time in football which is a good example of why you don’t burn your bridges unnecessarily.
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Kelly is gone Yawkey...No doubt about it. He just has to decide for a truck load of cash (Freo) or a great club which breeds success (WC).

Steven out -> Hill & Crouch in...still keep a late 1st. Perfect scenario.
 
plugger66 said:
Don't reckon Kelly will be staying.
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Yeah players don’t often say yep I’m off with football including finals still to be played.

But I have to get this in because I just heard a bloke say it on a reality show and I couldn’t stop laughing. You don’t know what’s going to happen monkeys could fly out of my ass anything could happen haha 🤣.
 
plugger66 said:
Not sure how you are managing that.
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We're going to pick up Aaron Francis as a DFA and trade him for Hill and a second rounder ,and trade our original first rounder for Crouch and get a first rounder from the Cats for Steven. David King told me. He's just not sure where Aaron Francis came from in the first place.
 
Easy my man:

Trade Pick 6 & Newnes Compo (37) -> to Brisbane 13 & 19
Trade Steven to Geelong for Pick 18

Pick 13, 18 & 19

13 - Crouch
18 - Hill
19 to the draft

or any combo of the above
 

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Yawkey way said:
I don’t see that happening unless they offer a ridiculously good deal.

They’ll have to find big money to keep Kelly and jack is on big coin so that’s starting to look very complicated. Ablett goes around again and Kelly stays all of a sudden it’s where do they use him and how much do they want him.

They have a couple of young blokes who have stepped up during the season as well so do you want to slow their development etc. It could easily end up a case of 12 months is a long time in football which is a good example of why you don’t burn your bridges unnecessarily.
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Jack has a year left i think.
Personally i'd take the Cats first rounder for him, and pay part of his Salary for the year.
After that if he wants to play for the Cats he needs to settle for less.

Jack could find his happy place and play for another 5 years, or he might retire immediately.
If we got the Cats first rounder we could "potentially" have a good 10 year player.
 
SaintsSeptember said:
Jack has a year left i think.
Personally i'd take the Cats first rounder for him, and pay part of his Salary for the year.
After that if he wants to play for the Cats he needs to settle for less.

Jack could find his happy place and play for another 5 years, or he might retire immediately.
If we got the Cats first rounder we could "potentially" have a good 10 year player.
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It’s all down to Kelly and whatever other moves they may make imo, it just won’t work if Kelly stays.

If Kelly goes yeah we can help them out and they’ll have picks and players I’d happily take.
 
Joffaboy said:
Totally incorrect in contract law.

The contract is between the football club and the player.
The AFL is a third party.
It would be like the BCA coercing a business and a contractor to interfere in an agreement.
Not only basic contract law 101 but a range of sections of the Corps Law.
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I disagree, that's a building codes body I imagine. They would have no jurisdiction over employment contracts. The AFL is the employer of players as they pay the clubs to pay the players in a round about way. They operate as an entertainment provider who is also a non profit organisation, trying to compare them to anything else is tricky but it would be more like a governing body stepping in to force someone to stick to their signed contract.
 
SaintsSeptember said:
Jack has a year left i think.
Personally i'd take the Cats first rounder for him, and pay part of his Salary for the year.
After that if he wants to play for the Cats he needs to settle for less.

Jack could find his happy place and play for another 5 years, or he might retire immediately.
If we got the Cats first rounder we could "potentially" have a good 10 year player.
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Probably use it to get a Crouch/ Hill type as an offset.
 
plugger66 said:
I don’t know how many times I can say this but king won’t be allowed to leave the Gold Coast at the end of the year. That is the last thing that will happen. This sounds like kelly last year and whoever the year before. We ended up with jack.
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I hope we end up with Jack again at the end of this year and next. Jack Steven.
 
gringo2011 said:
I disagree, that's a building codes body I imagine. They would have no jurisdiction over employment contracts. The AFL is the employer of players as they pay the clubs to pay the players in a round about way. They operate as an entertainment provider who is also a non profit organisation, trying to compare them to anything else is tricky but it would be more like a governing body stepping in to force someone to stick to their signed contract.
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I also wondered if it worked in the capacity of a franchise owner.
You could ask your wife , but if she's like mine she'd tell you to piss off and find something useful to worry about.
 
SaintsSeptember said:
I also wondered if it worked in the capacity of a franchise owner.
You could ask your wife , but if she's like mine she'd tell you to p**s off and find something useful to worry about.
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She did M and A, it's no good for anything. Employment law is a specialist field. She gets everyone giving her contacts from building contracts to section 22s and they expect she's able to review them. She should have ben an idiot like me, no one wants my opinion on anything.
 
gringo2011 said:
I disagree, that's a building codes body I imagine. They would have no jurisdiction over employment contracts. The AFL is the employer of players as they pay the clubs to pay the players in a round about way. They operate as an entertainment provider who is also a non profit organisation, trying to compare them to anything else is tricky but it would be more like a governing body stepping in to force someone to stick to their signed contract.
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No point arguing this with you, you dont understand even the basics of contract law.
 
Joffaboy said:
No point arguing this with you, you dont understand even the basics of contract law.
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Mate why do you always go so hard at posters on here.

The irony here is that you are wrong. You are partially correct. But still wrong. A simple Google will show you that!
 
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