Jacob's Request Trade

[Buzz/Sticks/bryce]

How about

Pick 14, Bock pick, 2nd round, Sellar > Carlton

Pick 18, Jacobs, Walker> Adelaide.

sellar and the upgrade would make this approximately Jacobs= 20, Walker= 25.

 

[Tanks_Alot]

For what Mumford had shown, yes

For what sydney are paying him, no

But we aren't offering Jacobs as much money as Mummy is getting, so why would we offer a much better pick

Bock pick it is

1st rounder is too much

2nd rounder not enough

Bock pick is in between

1st rounder makes it sound better than what it is.

It is pick 14 in a very thin draft because of GC consessions and getting all the good 17 year olds.

pick 14 this year is equal to a 20's pick from previous few years.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

For what Mumford had shown, yes

For what sydney are paying him, no

But we aren't offering Jacobs as much money as Mummy is getting, so why would we offer a much better pick

Bock pick it is

1st rounder is too much

2nd rounder not enough

Bock pick is in between

Not sure Mumford had dominated any games to that point though. Jacobs has probably shown a higher level than Mumford had prior to his trade IMO. Sydney have lucked out over the rapid rate of Mumford's improvement.

Remember too that the Geelong structure made it hard for Mumford to get a gig. Ottens was always first choice, Blake was even pegging with Mumford, and they had to find a way to fit Hawkins in the side.

Let's dismiss this whole idea of Jacobs being Carlton's 4th ruckman as a debating point. As it stands Jacobs is Carlton's 2nd ruckman or equal 2nd ruckman with Warnock. He is better than Hampson. It is Carlton's lack of KPP depth that has us trying to use Hampson, Kreuzer or Warnock up forward. Sam is a traditional ruck in the sense that he will rest forward and take a grab now and then but will not play like a forward. If we could conclusively know that Hampson will never make a 50/50 forward/ruck, then he would be head and shoulders behind Jacobs.

If we did not have Kreuzer, Jacobs would be our first ruck, with Warnock rotating between ruck and forward line. The problem is that while Jacobs is a better ruckman than Kreuzer, Kreuzer plays as an extra midfielder which is very handy.

Jacobs does not have to go forward at the Crows as Tippett has it covered. He would fit infinitely better into your structure.

Crows need him slightly less than Jacobs needs to be a first ruck, and significantly more than Carlton want to lose him.

This is all just personal opinion however. None of which have insights into what the negotiations contain. We may well resign ourselves to getting something rather than nothing but if that happens, it wouldn't necessary reflect fair value. Will the Crows walk away now though?

 

[King Elvis]

The threat of psd is a powerful tool. IF Jacobs wants to end up at Richmond, The crows will offer us shit............I think Jacobs could be talked into staying if it came to that, Richmond = Career death sentence.

No it isn't.

If Jacobs states he wants to come home, and will only play in Adelaide, then he'll end up here; but, again, I can't see him or the Crows going down that path.

And disagree about Richmond as well, Hardwick is an excellent young Coach, and they're already well and truly heading in the right direction. But that's another subject

Mummford trade, in hindsight, was great value - but Wood wasn't; hindsight is a beautiful thing.

 

[Glenno23]

1st rounder makes it sound better than what it is.

It is pick 14 in a very thin draft because of GC consessions and getting all the good 17 year olds.

pick 14 this year is equal to a 20's pick from previous few years.

I'll leave it at this, as i can see we're just going to go around in circles

I would offer the Bock pick for Jacobs and go from there

Now i already know Carlton fans response, "ïts not enough"

And seeing as Sellar has met with your club, it looks likely he'll be thrown in too.

So Bock pick and Sellar would be my offer

 

[lunacy]

Not quite. We have the PSD card up our sleaves, so we'll at least be able to force a low 20's type pick situation since the Crows have no hope of getting him via the PSD. There's a few twists and turns left to play out on this one. Having the best negotiator in the AFL on our side is a bonus as well.

PSD card = Carlton get nothing. Madness . You'd turn down Sellar + 3rd round pick, and instead receive nothing, just out of principle.

Well that's great that you make a stand, but everyone will soon forget all about it and Carlton would still end up with nothing.

Adelaide will be reasonable but I think you'll get less than you hope for. But that's reality now that Jacobs as nominated Adelaide. We've been in the same boat before. Unfortunately the damage is done and you have to just make a trade.

Sellar at least plays the position you lack and is a big strong body and only 21 yrs. Plus the 3rd round pick may end up being a good player.

It's certainly not ideal, but to receive nothing just makes it a double blow.

 

[Glenno23]

3rd round and Sellar no where near enough lunacy

 

[Sin City]

No wonder he's called Lunacy

 

[Sin City]

Scotland plays mainly across the HB though doesn't he?

No

Chuck Gibbsy back there, and you still have Judd, Murphy, Simpson, Carrazzo and a very good tagger in Joseph

Not enough

They're just the ones off the top of my head

There's more, still not enough at the moment compared to premiership midfields.

I was more replying to the fact that a lot of your fans want a quality tall in the Jacobs trade, but you missed your chance with Talia last year and i don't think we'll be wiling to part with him considering the short time on our list

Extremely confident we made the right decision.

 

[Malifice]

PSD card = Carlton get nothing.

So would Adelaide.

Adelaide miss out on a 22 y/o player you rate good enough for a 1 million dollar three year deal, and would fill one of the most important positions on the grounds (number 1 ruck).

Carlton miss out on Sellar and a pick in the 50's.

I can live with that.

You'd turn down Sellar + 3rd round pick, and instead receive nothing, just out of principle.

Absolutely. Every day of the week.

You reckon Jacobs would last in the Draft/ PSD to Adelaide's second rounder or first PSD pick you are kidding yourself.

 

[King Elvis]

I'd turn down a crap deal in favour of the PSD as well, no question.

 

[parrot]

PSD card = Carlton get nothing. Madness . You'd turn .....

We'd turn down rubbish, yes. Missing a late 3rd round pick is hardly a disaster for us. On the hand missing out on Jacobs would be a total disaster for the Crows. See the point? The PSD Card will keep the Crows honest in this trade. If we didn't have it, we'd just have to accept any trashy offer. It'll be much like the Warnock trade with The Purple Game Throwers a few years back. In that trade they had the PSD-card, and were threatening to use it. Ultimately the trade went through for pick 24 plus steak knives swaps. Expect the same outcome or better for the Blues this time.

 

[Malifice]

Imagine if we had've offered Freo Cameron Cloke and a third rounder for Warnock.

They'd have rightly laughed us out of the room.

 

[thylacine60]

http://www.afc.com.au/players/playe.../senior/season/2010/selected/bio/default.aspx

This bloke's bio sounds anything but convincing. Like the fat kid in the school team getting the encouragement award for trying. Gulp.

"Sellar gained another opportunity in round 14 against Richmond after an injury to Brad Moran. He retained his spot in the side for the remainder of 2009 and showed a lot of promise. He shared the ruck duties with Ivan Maric and his competitiveness in the ruck and around the ground was very encouraging. He had 94 disposals and 94 hitouts in 11 games and after a disappointing year in 2008, which included his AFL debut, Sellar was determined to put in the extra work to get his opportunity".

 

[parrot]

Imagine if we had've offered Freo Cameron Cloke and a third rounder for Warnock.

They'd have rightly laughed us out of the room.

That's exactly the point.

There'll be a threshold in this trade where the Crows missing out on Jacobs would be a bigger loss than us missing out on a later draft pick. That's the equation here. We obviously don't want Jacobs to go to the PSD, but it'll be used as leverage to get something decent i.e. keep them honest.

There's still a lot of other factors to play out in this trade. For example, if there was a stalemate in trade negotiations with the Crows offering something ridiculous like a 30+ pick, don't be surprised if a 3rd club gets involved. Port or StKilda could chime in with a 20-25 pick offer. Jacobs would have to agree, but if it was the choice between Richmond in the PSD and one of those other clubs he'd probably change his mind. So other Clubs could still provide some extra leverage yet.

 

[Malifice]

http://www.afc.com.au/players/playe.../senior/season/2010/selected/bio/default.aspx

This bloke's bio sounds anything but convincing. Like the fat kid in the school team getting the encouragement award for trying. Gulp.

"Sellar gained another opportunity in round 14 against Richmond after an injury to Brad Moran. He retained his spot in the side for the remainder of 2009 and showed a lot of promise. He shared the ruck duties with Ivan Maric and his competitiveness in the ruck and around the ground was very encouraging. He had 94 disposals and 94 hitouts in 11 games and after a disappointing year in 2008, which included his AFL debut, Sellar was determined to put in the extra work to get his opportunity".

So averaging less that 9 hitouts and disposals per game from 11 matches.

And this was after a 'dissapointing year'?

Do not want.

 

[Anastasia]

I'd advise Carlton supporters to ignore the opinion of Port Adelaide supporters on Sellar as their irrational hatred for him is due primarily to their insecurity at having selected Boak ahead of him.

It would be akin to Carlton supporters wanting Talia to fail just because they selected Lucas. Fortunately, not all supporters are as immature as Port Adelaide supporters.

Sorry, I can't agree with this.

He's done a couple of nice things but being honest I don't rate Sellar, even at SANFL level. Losing him wouldn't bother me.

 

[parrot]

Sorry, I can't agree with this.

He's done a couple of nice things but being honest I don't rate Sellar, even at SANFL level. Losing him wouldn't bother me.

Please spare us the used-car-salesman-talk-ups. We all KNOW where Sellar is at re his football career i.e. a poorly developed player in a downward spiral. If Carlton picked him up, it would be a life-line type deal - equivalent to giving someone a second chance through the PSD. So steak-knives in the context of this trade. We have much better player development facilities at our great club, and so there's a greater chance he'll amount to something, but it's far from a sure thing. The focus should be on the high draft picks you'll need to hand-over tto secure Jacobs.

The change in the Walker situation has changed the parameters in this trade. Don't be surprised if some other Clubs offer a fallback option for Jacobs as well. Did the Crows make a mistake by revealing their hand so early?. Something to ponder.

 

[King Elvis]

Carlton's Suzi Olsen

 

[KnaveyBlue]

I'd advise Carlton supporters to ignore the opinion of Port Adelaide supporters on Sellar as their irrational hatred for him is due primarily to their insecurity at having selected Boak ahead of him.

I don't think there's a Port supporter in the world who has lost a wink of sleep over the Power choosing Boak over Sellar.

 

[KnaveyBlue]

Imagine if we had've offered Freo Cameron Cloke and a third rounder for Warnock.

They'd have rightly laughed us out of the room.

That's probably the best analogy of this trade I've seen.

Crows supporters saying "hurr durr Sellar and a third rounder, we have the upper hand" should just look at the above scenario to realise just how ridiculous the deal is.

 

[parrot]

That's probably the best analogy of this trade I've seen.

Crows supporters saying "hurr durr Sellar and a third rounder, we have the upper hand" should just look at the above scenario to realise just how ridiculous the deal is.

I might be wrong, but I doubt the Crows negotiators are as stupid as their supporters.

 

[headache1]

I might be wrong, but I doubt the Crows negotiators are as stupid as their supporters.

Here's hoping the same applies to the Blues.

 

[manureid]

I don't think there's a Port supporter in the world who has lost a wink of sleep over the Power choosing Boak over Sellar.

Hehe, ignore Sekaj, she has major issues over the whole Sellar thing. It is a touchy subject. Of course who would not want big Jimmy ahead of Boak...it is a given...

Hope you rob the Crows blind...but i doubt it sadly!!

 

[Malifice]

Here's hoping the same applies to the Blues.

Pick #11 for Mclean, Pick #3 + Kennedy (former #4) and #20 for Judd (leaving anyway, nominated us AND we had pick #2 in the PSD) etc speaks volumes.

We trade fair.