Jacobs & Walker Trade Discussion

[headache1]

I think sellar has the potential to be an out an out star of the competition. he was an important cog in the adelaide machine in 2009 and injury derailed him this year but when he plays he actually creates alot from his work. i think he has alot to offer and i would love to keep him.

I think he has the potential to turn into a solid player, if given the right opportunities, but an out and out star of the competition?

 

[Crow-mo]

Carlton didn't give up a 1st round selection for Warnock - and Sydney didn't give up a 1st round selection for Mumford either (who is on similar coin).
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that's nice, but as i said a warnock like pick i'm not sure what you're arguing?

i didnt mention or claim warnock went fir a first.

 

[Crow-mo]

From all reports, John Meesen had a bad attitude, little ability and was continually plagued with buttock injuries due to having his head so far up his arse.

Not saying this is the case with Sellar as his attitude improved out of sight after his first season.

stupid us for drafting him eh?

 

[Elite Crow]

I'm sure I heard us say that when we drafted Meesen we hadnt interviewed him before the draft because we didnt expect him to fall to us.

 

[NTRabbit]

stupid us for drafting him eh?

Yes.

 

[Mego Red]

don't see how.

freo argued that carlton rated warnock enough to pay $$$ but not in trade?

we've said how much we rate him, so we can't play all coy.

he won't get through the psd imo. so no our position isnt strengthened

It doesn't matter if they caught us making out with him in the car park. The deal we have with Jacobs is irrelevant to the deal we make with Carlton.

Being the only player in the game who actually has a deal with him means that we hold a very strong hand, that's just common sense.

 

[Geoffa32]

I would have thought that Sellar for Jacobs in a straight swap is easily done.

We need a Ruck. Carlton need a Key defender. Case closed.

If we have to throw in our first round pick, I hope we are getting WCE or even Freo's for Griffin. Griff has played more AFL games and there is far more reliable data on him. I rate him ahead of both Sellar and Jacobs, purely because we know about him at AFL level. Jacobs is still a gamble for us, as Sellar is for them.


Tambling is an interesting prospect. Have no idea what his worth to us is. Cant see him in best 22 right now, but a preseason with us and we could have another quality ball mover, to help MacKay out. We could send em Myke Cook, (tell them he is Rory Sloane) and a second rounder to sweeten the deal. Dunno.

 

[fabs33]

Just thought I'd throw a question out there in regards to the debate over what constitutes fair payment in draft picks for curiosity's sake. Since the AFL has essentially been trying to do just that with the GS compensation picks, in which band do people think Jacobs would fit? I realise the formula is secret but since we've been given a few examples already I thought it would be interesting to read some opinions.

 

[moogerfooger]

Just thought I'd throw a question out there in regards to the debate over what constitutes fair payment in draft picks for curiosity's sake. Since the AFL has essentially been trying to do just that with the GS compensation picks, in which band do people think Jacobs would fit? I realise the formula is secret but since we've been given a few examples already I thought it would be interesting to read some opinions.

Jacobs would be band 4 - second round pick. Wouldn't come close to band three with Bock, Rischitelli, Harbrow or Brown given he is largely unproven after 17 matches. No AA's or top 10 in the B&F. He was a rookie selection so his draft rating doesn't add anything. Pretty low salary until this new offer from AFC.

Obviously this doesn't reflect his true market value though. Bock is worth more than pick 26 and Jacobs is worth more than pick 40 or whatever it is.

 

[Crow-mo]

It doesn't matter if they caught us making out with him in the car park. The deal we have with Jacobs is irrelevant to the deal we make with Carlton.

Being the only player in the game who actually has a deal with him means that we hold a very strong hand, that's just common sense.

how is it common sense?

we have no stronger position than Carlton did with Warnock.

if we were the only team with a deal, he could go PSD. but I doubt that is true or will happen.

 

[Crow-mo]

anyhow, where did SuperStar Andrew Walker finish in the Carlton B&F?

 

[stabface]

FYI, our head of operations confirmed at the B&F last night that we aren't into Sellar at all and will be going for Adelaide's first round pick with the Jacobs trade. Walker likely to stay.

 

[barrel47]

Warnock trade included pick 24 in the 2008 'SuperDraft'.
I guess I am trying to 'gloss it up a bit', but also remember that there is only 9 months of 'new talent' in this year's draft, as GC17 have already taken the best 17yos last year from Jan 1 to Apr 30.

Accordingly, with only 3/4s of 'normal' available elite talent, Pick 14, is essentially worth about Pick 18-20 in a normal year.
Suddenly it becomes more similar to Warnock & Mumford trades - which were more speculative, in that they were guys with talent but had not had a chance to display their full wares while being stuck behind others.

Both Cam Wood & Darren Jolly were traded for Pick 14, so further precedent that Pick 14 is not unreasonable.

 

[PooMonkey]

Not inside the top 10.

 

[Chief_Beamish]

FYI, our head of operations confirmed at the B&F last night that we aren't into Sellar at all and will be going for Adelaide's first round pick with the Jacobs trade. Walker likely to stay.

... and our recruiting manager has said on numerous occasions that we won't be trading pick 14.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

I'm sure I heard us say that when we drafted Meesen we hadnt interviewed him before the draft because we didnt expect him to fall to us.

Pretty cluey operators, aren't we?

 

[Pariah]

Warnock trade included pick 24 in the 2008 'SuperDraft'.
I guess I am trying to 'gloss it up a bit', but also remember that there is only 9 months of 'new talent' in this year's draft, as GC17 have already taken the best 17yos last year from Jan 1 to Apr 30.

Accordingly, with only 3/4s of 'normal' available elite talent, Pick 14, is essentially worth about Pick 18-20 in a normal year.
Suddenly it becomes more similar to Warnock & Mumford trades - which were more speculative, in that they were guys with talent but had not had a chance to display their full wares while being stuck behind others.

Both Cam Wood & Darren Jolly were traded for Pick 14, so further precedent that Pick 14 is not unreasonable.

In a normal draft (with out the gold coast picks) our pick 14 would be pick 5 or something like that.
Collingwood were ripped off by Brisbane when they got Cam Wood for pick 14.
Darren Jolly was worth pick 14 and is a better player than Jacobs.

 

[GordonBlue]

In a normal draft (with out the gold coast picks) our pick 14 would be pick 5 or something like that.
Collingwood were ripped off by Brisbane when they got Cam Wood for pick 14.
Darren Jolly was worth pick 14 and is a better player than Jacobs.

Pick 14 and a 3rd rounder in the final non pick compromised draft for a 28 year old... don't get me wrong... Collingwood definitely won out...

As was stated, it has been confirmed we are not interested in Sellar... only first round pick... which would mean that most likely 2nd to 3rd rounders might be swapped in adelaide's favour

 

[Pariah]

FYI, our head of operations confirmed at the B&F last night that we aren't into Sellar at all and will be going for Adelaide's first round pick with the Jacobs trade. Walker likely to stay.

Do they honestly think their going to get Brennan if they do they are morons. Everyone knows that Brennan gold coast bound. Everrit's a dime a dozen type of player. Meaning there are so many players like him in the system currently and plenty like him and maybe better in the draft.
If Carlton are playing hard ball with us trading an out of contract player with us then we will do the same thing to them if one of our players that they want to move to Carlton in the future ie. Talia( if he ever wants to leave).
As for Andrew Walker I really couldn't give a stuff whether or not he joins the Crows or not because I have confidence in Matt Rendall's ability to find similar types of players in the draft.

 

[srv23]

Pick 14 and a 3rd rounder in the final non pick compromised draft for a 28 year old... don't get me wrong... Collingwood definitely won out...

As was stated, it has been confirmed we are not interested in Sellar... only first round pick... which would mean that most likely 2nd to 3rd rounders might be swapped in adelaide's favour

OK - so your recruiters have asked for pick 14 and our recruiters have said pick 14 is off the table - why do you think your recruiters are going to get what they want and ours aren't- especially since Jacobs is uncontracted and specifically asked to be traded to the Crows.

Do you think that at the BandF the club is going to say to the supporters "Yeah well we're really sad to see Sauce go, unfortunately he's uncontracted and has now named a specific club so we're going to have to settle for a second rounder" or are they going to say "We're sorry to see Sauce go but we're going to demand a first round pick." The clubs have to be seen as demanding the best possible deal for their players.

I wouldn't believe anything that recruiters say prior to trade week.(And I mean Carlton or Adelaide) ie West Coast No deal for Judd will get done without pick 1 on the table, Carlton - You will only get our second round pick for Warnock, Fremantle - We will only trade Warnock for a first round pick. Port - We will only trade Burgoyne if a player like Lewis or Brown is put on the table

Guess what, in the end all players got traded to the club of their choice for fair deals that had nothing to with any clubs pre trade week posturing.

 

[Gets!]

Surely Carlton cannot be serious about wanting pick 14??!

Sauce to the PSD and we get him for free!

 

[Mark Dreher]

This is the worst ****ing thread as evidenced by the fact that this shitty post of mine doesn't lower the standard one bit.
Can't wait til trade week's over.

+1
This is a needs based Market. If we need him badly, to make our football club better, we have to pay whatever it is to get him (even if it is a little above the odds) if we don't need him, we let him go.
The days of the Groom for bunji are gone most clubs are in it for the win win situation.

 

[GordonBlue]

OK - so your recruiters have asked for pick 14 and our recruiters have said pick 14 is off the table - why do you think your recruiters are going to get what they want and ours aren't- especially since Jacobs is uncontracted and specifically asked to be traded to the Crows.

Do you think that at the BandF the club is going to say to the supporters "Yeah well we're really sad to see Sauce go, unfortunately he's uncontracted and has now named a specific club so we're going to have to settle for a second rounder" or are they going to say "We're sorry to see Sauce go but we're going to demand a first round pick." The clubs have to be seen as demanding the best possible deal for their players.

I wouldn't believe anything that recruiters say prior to trade week.(And I mean Carlton or Adelaide) ie West Coast No deal for Judd will get done without pick 1 on the table, Carlton - You will only get our second round pick for Warnock, Fremantle - We will only trade Warnock for a first round pick. Port - We will only trade Burgoyne if a player like Lewis or Brown is put on the table

Guess what, in the end all players got traded to the club of their choice for fair deals that had nothing to with any clubs pre trade week posturing.

You need Jacobs... this is already identified by the offer of $1mil and 3 years and a promised 1st ruck spot... the ruck department is obviously identified as a weakness, and you have the absolutely perfect ready to go candidate for this position... had a ruckman in the draft showed as much promise as Jacobs, you would take him with pick 14 if you thought he was ready to go... this is no difference...

What we lose for getting nothing for Jacobs if only a second rounder is offered, is us using a 3rd instead of a 2nd rounder in the draft (highly unlikely we would draft more than 3)... this means what we risk is minimal if we are not satisfied adequately... and as has been said about the draft... you can throw a blanket across picks 10 to 20 and another blanket above the rest... so in other words, we might get the exact same player should we get the 2nd rounder from adelaide or get nothing from adelaide...

But what you risk is losing the perfect player that can quickly cover a weakness... as simple as that... Richmond and Gold Coast will not overlook him in the draft... and I very much doubt GC or Geelong or maybe even Port would over look him in the draft before Adelaide's compo pick...

You would be Gambling with alot higher stakes than what we would... a trade which involves pick 14 is required to get the deal done...

 

[King Elvis]

I'd bet $50 right now our first round pick want be involved in a straight swap for Jacobs.

We'd be saying you can have our second rounder (probably with Sellar), and it'll end up being our compensation pick.

 

[GordonBlue]

I'd bet $50 right now our first round pick want be involved in a straight swap for Jacobs.

We'd be saying you can have our second rounder (probably with Sellar), and it'll end up being our compensation pick.

Club has already confirmed we are not interested in Sellar...

I don't think straight swap either... I think it will involve swapping our second rounder for your third rounder...