Free Agency Jade Gresham [Joins Essendon as RFA]

[Le Archie]

You’d think the club fan base with the most recent similar experience of this exact situation with Crouch would look at this logically but I guess not…

 

[eth-dog]

I don’t think we’ll necessarily get a first rounder if we match… but we may ask for a player that we feel is equal value to Gresham.

It's all academic. We're bumping the salary for a quid pro quo. What that is I'm not sure.

 

[DapperDon]

No need to match. You’ll cough up

We will, pick 30 something

 

[Keystone agony]

If hes taking a pay cut from his current 800 then hes not getting Band 1

 

[boncer34]

Saints fans for the better part of the last decade, "Dodoro is a campaigner."

Also Saints fans, "We'll match and Dodoro will meekly give us what we want."

 

[Keystone agony]

Im thinking Shiel stays but if not

Then F2 and Shiel for Band 2 compo Gresham

 

[boncer34]

Your over confidence is going to be quite funny.

You have convinced yourself the only thing that makes sense is getting yourself a first round pick

As I have said many times, I don't think we end up with pick 13. But what you need to understand, is that we're paying him extra to get something out of the deal. Which most likely would be your pick 35-ish.

I didn't say pick 5 you moron. I literally said pick 11 or 19. Seriously. Let's say your second ends up as pick 36 post compensation pre bids. We use that and pick 30 to trade up to pick 19 from Gold Coast, netting them 183 more points and us a second first round pick.

And I agree that we won't get pick 14. I don't know how many times I've said that. I was just explaining the theory to you.

And what makes most sense is that we pay most or all of his salary to command a better pick

Yes and you match and get... Shiel and pick 28.

So instead, we're bumping the offer so you can get... Shiel and pick 28 but we get pick 14 on top of it. At least that's the theory behind it for them.

You don't seem to grasping that. Plus, if you match and Gresham wants to come to us anyway, we either:

1. Offer Shiel and 29/30 for him. You wouldn't be getting our first.
2. If you reject that, we take him with either the pick we offered you sans Shiel
3. Take him in the pre season draft with the pick we have ahead of yours

And as I said to you MULTIPLE times, I DON'T THINK THAT WILL HAPPEN. But to say "Essendon fans are expecting 13 for Shiel" is being deliberately obtuse. Some (not all) of us are expecting us to buy that pick 14 with Shiel and pick 30. Others (like me) are expecting we're trying to get your second round pick so we can stockpile a bunch of points and try to use those to trade up to Gold Coast when they get picks 11 and 19 for pick 5.

 

[pebblesofsand]

So sick of all this fan posturing. When has a club ever in history hung on to an uncontracted player that has asked to leave? This ‘we will match and keep him’ rubbish is just that, absolute rubbish.

Slight problem with that - you seem to have missed the fact that Gresham is not unhappy at the Saints and has never asked to leave the club.

He is an RFA who is looking for the best deal he can get on his next contract.

Doesn't matter to him whether its the Saints, the Dons or the Hawks

We aren't shopping him around - he's shopping himself around.

So if the offers end up being pretty equal, he'll stay.

 

[Le Archie]

Slight problem with that - you seem to have missed the fact that Gresham is not unhappy at the Saints and has never asked to leave the club.

He is an RFA who is looking for the best deal he can get on his next contract.

Doesn't matter to him whether its the Saints, the Dons or the Hawks

We aren't shopping him around - he's shopping himself around.

So if the offers end up being pretty equal, he'll stay.

Ok thanks for letting us know Jade.

 

[TheGrizz]

No one is saying we will keep him.

We are saying we will match to force a trade.

The situation Essendon is trying to avoid - hence this entire compo bss

It has literally happened once where a RFA was matched. And for a Generational key forward in Cameron to a team with 3 first rounders that year.

A contracted Gresham would cost a first round pick (middle to late)

He's not contracted though. Even if you match he remains OOC for the purposes of a trade so not only is your valuation likely high, it isn't relevant.

You can sign him to whatever contract he agrees too. That doesn’t mean the compo is fair to us and restricted free agency - which multiple clubs have used, has shown that as an avenue to extract better compo.

Which multiple clubs? It's only GWS for Cameron that has matched a RFA.

 

[eth-dog]

It has literally happened once where a RFA was matched. And for a Generational key forward in Cameron to a team with 3 first rounders that year.

He's not contracted though. Even if you match he remains OOC for the purposes of a trade so not only is your valuation likely high, it isn't relevant.

Which multiple clubs? It's only GWS for Cameron that has matched a RFA.

In fairness that's because Geelong skipped submitting the paperwork for Dangerfield and went straight to negotiating with Adelaide.

 

[TheGrizz]

In fairness that's because Geelong skipped submitting the paperwork for Dangerfield and went straight to negotiating with Adelaide.

I am aware, but I am specifically talking about matching an offer through the RFA system.

Last I checked we weren't going straight to negotiating a trade for Gresham, neither is Gresham remotely in the same stratosphere of player as Dangerfield.

 

[eth-dog]

I am aware, but I am specifically talking about matching an offer through the RFA system.

Last I checked we weren't going straight to negotiating a trade for Gresham, neither is Gresham remotely in the same stratosphere of player as Dangerfield.

I agree but it is kinda relevant to the argument.

 

[EconomicDecline]

Far out. How many times do we have to go in circles about this.

Gresham is not leaving St Kilda.

St Kilda is not pushing out Gresham.

Gresham has a certain price he thinks he is worth.

St Kilda has a price they think his output is worth.

Gresham is seeking his believed worth, and his management have ask St Kilda not to put forward an offer.

Now here’s the thing.

If another club, let’s call them Essendon, puts forward an offer that is below what Gresham thinks he is worth, but matches what St Kilda believe his output to be worth, then St Kilda will match the contract. Gresham may stay as he has attempted to test the market, and found it’s only willing to pay an amount that his current club is happy to meet.

There are multiple quotes recently in this thread by the parties involved that back these positions. There are no quotes indicating Ross Lyon wants to push him out.

 

[stavro#4]

It has literally happened once where a RFA was matched. And for a Generational key forward in Cameron to a team with 3 first rounders that year.

He's not contracted though. Even if you match he remains OOC for the purposes of a trade so not only is your valuation likely high, it isn't relevant.

Which multiple clubs? It's only GWS for Cameron that has matched a RFA.

As pointed out the above scenario Dangerfield. (He chose to go to the trade table to get fairer compensation for Adelaide)

Who I’m not saying Gresham is anywhere near as good as those blokes

But we keep trying to make clear to you Essendon supporters. This isn’t a case of, Gresham free to any home for any price.

Hence why this deal is still on going and the most recent media update from Morris yesterday was just that.

Working on the salary to give stkilda fair compo.

And yes, aware he isn’t contracted. But restricted free agency allows clubs to chase fair or better compo.

Clearly this is as stated above playing out now.

We want to better our draft hand and Gresham would be a massive element of that. As evidenced in interviews by Lethlean SOS and Ross in the last fortnight.

I believe SOS said we want 3 picks in this draft.

 

[DapperDon]

Far out. How many times do we have to go in circles about this.

Gresham is not leaving St Kilda.

He probaby is, hence all the trade talk.

 

[Duckworth]

No one is saying we will keep him.

Literally the next post...

And if he doesn’t want to leave? He stays..

 

[rusman]

Far out. How many times do we have to go in circles about this.

Gresham is not leaving St Kilda.

St Kilda is not pushing out Gresham.

Gresham has a certain price he thinks he is worth.

St Kilda has a price they think his output is worth.

Gresham is seeking his believed worth, and his management have ask St Kilda not to put forward an offer.

Now here’s the thing.

If another club, let’s call them Essendon, puts forward an offer that is below what Gresham thinks he is worth, but matches what St Kilda believe his output to be worth, then St Kilda will match the contract. Gresham may stay as he has attempted to test the market, and found it’s only willing to pay an amount that his current club is happy to meet.

There are multiple quotes recently in this thread by the parties involved that back these positions. There are no quotes indicating Ross Lyon wants to push him out.

 

[Maaaark]

Please just lodge the paper work, declare the compensation so we can end this madness either way

 

[HarryFlashman]

I am aware, but I am specifically talking about matching an offer through the RFA system.

Last I checked we weren't going straight to negotiating a trade for Gresham, neither is Gresham remotely in the same stratosphere of player as Dangerfield.

I dunno about that, Dangerfield is pretty ordinary when he’s carrying injury or having a very off performance, I’d say it’s directly comparable when one’s at their worst & the other is at (or close too) their best

 

[Le Archie]

Literally the next post...

It’s tweedle Dee and tweedle dumb. Then you go onto the saints trade thread and they are calling us campaigners. It’s incredible really the mental gymnastics.

 

[Verdun]

Saints fans for the better part of the last decade, "Dodoro is a campaigner."

Also Saints fans, "We'll match and Dodoro will meekly give us what we want."

Statements are consistent.

 

[Donakebab]

Thread is lit

You should comment more to get on the list.

 

[_Maximus_12]

Literally the next post...

Haha I mean, if he doesn’t leave, he’s staying is he not? I mean that’s the alternative

 

[JayJ20]

So… tell me what benefit swapping out Gresham for Shiel has to St Kilda if it’s not trigging a higher compensation pick for them to retain?

Where’s the net gain? And don’t tell me we get a player we’re after, Shiels a sneeze away from the glue factory

And why would we pay band one for GRESHAM. An average injury prone player that we don’t have a need for.