Free Agency Jade Gresham [Joins Essendon as RFA]

[boncer34]

…so you honestly believe that Sheil is worth Gresham and Pick 13?

It's 5 letters. How is it so hard to get right?

 

[Mootha]

Nearly a week and St Kilda fans still banging on about 13 for Shiel. There's been so many explanations that if it hasn't sunk in yet, I don't think it will.

 

[yeahfells]

It's 5 letters. How is it so hard to get right?

Please accept my most sincere apologies in what must undoubtedly be a very trying time for you xx

 

[thegcat]

Gresham is going to Carlton - lock it in

 

[Mootha]

Gresham is going to Carlton - lock it in

Carlton - Gresham and Pick 13

St Kilda - Paddy Dow

 

[bomberlegend2007]

…so you honestly believe that Sheil is worth Gresham and Pick 13?

But you’re missing a step here. Is Gresham worth Band 1 compo?

 

[FrogDude]

Nearly a week and St Kilda fans still banging on about 13 for Shiel. There's been so many explanations that if it hasn't sunk in yet, I don't think it will.

It just doesn't make sense. Why would we gift a first rounder for him? Why not just trade the band 3 compo for Shiel?
Giving the compo pick for Shiel doesn't change if its 13 or 32, St Kilda end up with the same result but it changes a lot for Essendon

 

[#1_pigeonracer]

These are 100% the scenarios in play.

A) Essendon get Gresham + Pick 13/St Kilda get Shiel.
B) Essendon get Gresham/St Kilda get Band 2/3 Compo.

And that’s it. Gresham wants out, St Kilda sound like that want Shiel. AFL need to tick it all off, even though they may not want too.

There is just nothing else in play here. There is 0% chance St Kilda enter the draft with Pick 13.

St Kilda is about to put pen to paper with Zac Jones. There is no way they then take on the risk with Dylan Shiel unless there is some tangible benefit. They are like for like, with Brad Crouch in a similar mould as well.

I suspect there is a greater want at Essendon to be free of Shiel and his contract, than there is a want at St Kilda for a 31 year old that is 50/50 to make any difference next year let alone possibly contending in 25' or beyond.

Pou, Owens, Windhager also for midfield minutes.

 

[the big lebowski]

I don’t understand why anyone would want Shiel for anything more than a pick in the 30’s.

 

[botts]

https://t.co/BOEVWPrBjU

Ralphy finally got it

 

[yeahfells]

But you’re missing a step here. Is Gresham worth Band 1 compo?

Definitely not. I’d say Band 2 would be a fair price for him given how much he was rumoured to have been on with us in his current contract.

You are suggesting Essendon deserve the player AND the compensation given for him all because you would be willing to up his contract to trigger Band 1 and throw in Shiel who’s on huge money and is cooked?? Makes no sense to me but maybe I’m understanding it all wrong

 

[stavro#4]

Nearly a week and St Kilda fans still banging on about 13 for Shiel. There's been so many explanations that if it hasn't sunk in yet, I don't think it will.

Sorry dumb St Kilda supporter making way.

Ralph/HSun


Clubs cannot trade a selection in one deal then trade it back with another, but Gresham could move to the Dons as a free agent, which would create a draft pick.

Then St Kilda could trade a later pick back to Essendon for Shiel, who turns 31 in March.

St Kilda would not be allowed to top up Gresham’s salary to ensure they secured first-round compensation.

But Essendon would be allowed to pay some of Shiel’s deal while he played at St Kilda given an explosion of clubs trading players then paying some of their remaining wage.

So while there are hurdles to jump — and probing questions to be asked if the deal proceeds — there is a way for it to eventuate.

 

[MarkJohnson#1]

Sorry dumb St Kilda supporter making way.

Ralph/HSun


Clubs cannot trade a selection in one deal then trade it back with another, but Gresham could move to the Dons as a free agent, which would create a draft pick.

Then St Kilda could trade a later pick back to Essendon for Shiel, who turns 31 in March.

St Kilda would not be allowed to top up Gresham’s salary to ensure they secured first-round compensation.

But Essendon would be allowed to pay some of Shiel’s deal while he played at St Kilda given an explosion of clubs trading players then paying some of their remaining wage.

So while there are hurdles to jump — and probing questions to be asked if the deal proceeds — there is a way for it to eventuate.

Hey champ,

Just to be clear if it hasn’t registered already, Essendon will not be upping their offer to pay overs for Gresham to guarantee pick 13 compensation for St Kilda, lose Shiel whilst paying part of his salary AND only receive a later pick in return.

Cheers

 

[stavro#4]

Hey champ,

Just to be clear if it hasn’t registered already, Essendon will not be upping their offer to pay overs for Gresham to guarantee pick 13 compensation for St Kilda, lose Shiel whilst paying part of his salary AND only receive a later pick in return.

Cheers

I’d imagine we would pay Shiels salary and take pick 13 for the hassle of it

 

[Mootha]

Sorry dumb St Kilda supporter making way.

Ralph/HSun


Clubs cannot trade a selection in one deal then trade it back with another, but Gresham could move to the Dons as a free agent, which would create a draft pick.

Then St Kilda could trade a later pick back to Essendon for Shiel, who turns 31 in March.

St Kilda would not be allowed to top up Gresham’s salary to ensure they secured first-round compensation.

But Essendon would be allowed to pay some of Shiel’s deal while he played at St Kilda given an explosion of clubs trading players then paying some of their remaining wage.

So while there are hurdles to jump — and probing questions to be asked if the deal proceeds — there is a way for it to eventuate.

I that the same Ralphy that was full of sh*t yesterday? He's bang on today though!

 

[bomberlegend2007]

Definitely not. I’d say Band 2 would be a fair price for him given how much he was rumoured to have been on with us in his current contract.

You are suggesting Essendon deserve the player AND the compensation given for him all because you would be willing to up his contract to trigger Band 1 and throw in Shiel who’s on huge money and is cooked?? Makes no sense to me but maybe I’m understanding it all wrong

No I’m not.

All I’m suggesting is that for this deal to go ahead, it’s either Essendon get Pick 13 or it doesn’t exist.

For some reason, the Saints supporters on here believe not only will we trigger band 1 compo for Gresham, for some reason, but then we will send Shiel over to the Saints for Pick 30+ and then you guys will keep Pick 13.

That doesn’t make sense, regardless of what you think of Shiel.

 

[botts]

Hey champ,

Just to be clear if it hasn’t registered already, Essendon will not be upping their offer to pay overs for Gresham to guarantee pick 13 compensation for St Kilda, lose Shiel whilst paying part of his salary AND only receive a later pick in return.

Cheers

Hahahaha we champing people now. This has really escalated

 

[bird_man]

No I’m not.

All I’m suggesting is that for this deal to go ahead, it’s either Essendon get Pick 13 or it doesn’t exist.

For some reason, the Saints supporters on here believe not only will we trigger band 1 compo for Gresham, for some reason, but then we will send Shiel over to the Saints for Pick 30+ and then you guys will keep Pick 13.

That doesn’t make sense, regardless of what you think of Shiel.

Yet you can't see why it wouldn't make sense to effective just let a 25 year old Gresham go for a 31 year old Shiel when we have ben vocal about hitting the draft?

It makes zero sense from out end.

 

[bomberlegend2007]

Yet you can't see why it wouldn't make sense to effective just let a 25 year old Gresham go for a 31 year old Shiel when we have ben vocal about hitting the draft?

It makes zero sense from out end.

I didn’t come up with the trade to begin with mate, you would have to ask old mate Jon.

 

[stavro#4]

I didn’t come up with the trade to begin with mate, you would have to ask old mate Jon.

Actually… it’s been reported you blokes approached us.

Which backs the idea your are trying to dump his salary.

 

[bomberlegend2007]

Actually… it’s been reported you blokes approached us.

Which backs the idea your are trying to dump his salary.

But we don’t need too. It’s not a Collingwood situation.

 

[stavro#4]

But we don’t need too. It’s not a Collingwood situation.

I’d imagine after the big deals for Redmond and Parish and atleast $1.5m spent on McKay and Gresham it probably helps not having a $1m cap hit against you next year with Shiel.

Especially as you still appear to be actively looking to bring in others

 

[DapperDon]

Shiel now on a million dollar contract next year

3 days ago he was on 600k, tune in Monday to see what it grows to next!

 

[Yoda_]

I still don’t understand why the Saints would trade 13 for Shiel + 27

They don’t need cap space, they don’t need 31 year old injury prone mids who are on the fringe at Essendon, they do need to continue drafting top kids.

With no dodgy deals Gresham still gets them band 2 which is a top 20 selection.

Because a fit Shiel is better than Seb Ross, is better than Zac Jones, is better than a fair few guys now who seem to get midfield minutes at St.Kilda

that's why

 

[stavro#4]

Shiel now on a million dollar contract next year

3 days ago he was on 600k, tune in Monday to see what it grows to next!

It was a heavily back ended deal,, was it not?