Jamison the forward?

[OldBlueFan]

I agree that Jamo is best suited to full back, both for himself and the team. With him at FB and Henderson at CHB, our back half looks very strong and with the other guys providing support and run, there wouldn't be many sides in the comp that will give that backline too hard a time.

Clearly the club needs another tall target up forward, he doesn't even have to mark, just has to create a contest an provide opportunities for Jeff and Eddie (and also take the better defenders to free Walker).

Jamo won't play on Roo in 2 weeks, Henderson will.

 

[mickelboy182]

Wow.. I thought Thornton was the forward we needed?? No surprise that in a higher stakes game, he wasn't the answer. Looked alright down back though.... oh ..wait...

I don't recall many people saying Thornton was the answer, just people giving credit where credit was due...
Had a poor one on Friday night but was hardly alone there. Sounds like you might be carrying a bit of a chip on your shoulder there mate.

 

[Azul]

First goal of career and everything but is Jamo a surprise option for the finals? Lachie seems to be enjoying a renaissance as a key defender, so I wouldn't shift him.

But if Waite doesn't make it back, I guess we bring in Bower?

A spine of the following?

FB Henderson
CHB Bower
CHF Jamison
FF Kreuzer

Jamo doesn't necessarily need to dominate, it's Murph and our 3 leading goalkickers that will decide our fate. And the guy leading the Brownlow.

 

[BluesMan]

Please no! We have a better forward line than backline, so why stengthen the latter?? Makes no sense what so ever.

Don't ruin his career! He'll be a much better defender. Im content to have him with little stints in the forward line when things get scrappy like friday night, but please NOOOO

 

[T2B_]

Jamo won't play on Roo in 2 weeks, Henderson will.

Inside defensive 50 I agree, but Hendo surely wouldn't have the tank (this year anyway) to follow him up the ground?

 

[mikeythemoocow]

Please no! We have a better forward line than back line

Our back line is solid with many options available to come in, our forward line is lacking anyone who can take a contested grab and we only get crumbing goals. If we had someone who could play CHF we need to play them there regardless of if they can play other positions.

 

[OldBlueFan]

Inside defensive 50 I agree, but Hendo surely wouldn't have the tank (this year anyway) to follow him up the ground?

What have you seen during Henderson's games in defence this year that suggests he lacks a tank? He did a pretty good job on Buddy and he's been playing a more "Riewoldt" style in the last couple of years; hence his drop to 60 - 70 goals a year rather than 100 odd.

You're right though, I should have qualified my comment and said that Jamo will only take Roo if he ventures close to goal, but Hendo will definitely man him up when he's outside the arc.

 

[OldBlueFan]

Last resort move and a losing move.
Jamison is a back man, kicks for goal like a back man and will stay down back.

O'hAilpin will most likely be the one we bring in as a forward, whilst Waite is out.

My old man kept saying this on Friday night Harks, but I beg to differ. His tight angle shots only missed by a little (one poster and one that slid just to the wrong side of the post. His snap also hit the post, and the one shot he had that was relatively easy (still not directly in front) went straight through the middle.

Contrast this with the efforts of Eddie (0.3) Jeff (woeful miss) and Gibbs (0.4 where none really looked like going through) and who kicked like a back man on Friday?

I still prefer Jamo in the backline, but he certainly doesn't shank set shots for goal which is what folks usually mean when they say "kicks for goal like a back man".

 

[Cazbah]

It's good to know we can swing Jamo forward if things aren't going our way, but i'd feel much more comfortable having him in the back line

 

[OldBlueFan]

Do you remember the NAB Cup game?
It wasn't for the Friday night game but for what we've seen of Jamo up forward, previously.

To be a forward in our set-up is more than to just mark the odd ball in and around the 30 mt. mark.
You need to lead high up the ground and execute quickly and precisely. This is just not Jamo.

I'll just be glad for us to be able to have Hendo back in his position.

As I said, I think Jamo's best position is FB, but I was just taking exception to your "kick's like a backman" comment. Jamo has very good kicking skills and a quick mind with good vision. A season in the forward half would make him a very effective forward, but now that he's an AA standard FB, I'd rather we just found someone else for FF.

 

[juzz88]

My old man kept saying this on Friday night Harks, but I beg to differ. His tight angle shots only missed by a little (one poster and one that slid just to the wrong side of the post. His snap also hit the post, and the one shot he had that was relatively easy (still not directly in front) went straight through the middle.

Contrast this with the efforts of Eddie (0.3) Jeff (woeful miss) and Gibbs (0.4 where none really looked like going through) and who kicked like a back man on Friday?

I still prefer Jamo in the backline, but he certainly doesn't shank set shots for goal which is what folks usually mean when they say "kicks for goal like a back man".

Pretty much word for word what I was going to say. Definitely doesn't kick for goal like a backman.

Worth a go from time to time. Definitely starts down back though.

 

[Just Kreuzing]

Jamison needs to play down back for us to win finals.

He did show the ability to position himself and use his body well in contested situations when forward to create opportunities, he learn't this by playing on the best forwards on a regular basis.

This same education into Henderson will mean when they decide to move him back up forward he will hopefully have improved in these areas to be an influential forward for us!

 

[VicO]

All-Australian full back vs a good forward? No comparison.

A gun midfield and a rock solid backline with Jamison as the general and the goals will sort themselves out.

 

[T2B_]

What have you seen during Henderson's games in defence this year that suggests he lacks a tank? He did a pretty good job on Buddy and he's been playing a more "Riewoldt" style in the last couple of years; hence his drop to 60 - 70 goals a year rather than 100 odd.

You're right though, I should have qualified my comment and said that Jamo will only take Roo if he ventures close to goal, but Hendo will definitely man him up when he's outside the arc.

Yeah, well, it's nothing that I've seen so much, I'm just wondering/assuming he might not knowing that he had an interrupted pre-season and he hasn't had the legs in him to play CHF like he did last year.

But, he's certainly running quite well lately, it will be interesting to see what happens.

 

[Juddalenko]

I like the idea of Jamison & Henderson both in the backline. Let's leave them both there to settle and learn each-others games and find a KPF elsewhere.

 

[Azul]

All-Australian full back vs a good forward? No comparison.

Study the career of Stephen Silvagni. Excellent at both ends of the ground. Jamo given half a chance could be a more than handy target up forward.

Our backline has been serviceable in Jamison's absence. The forward line, on the other hand, managed 1 goal in a half.

 

[VicO]

Study the career of Stephen Silvagni.

When we have backmen of the quality of McKay, Sexton, Christou etc to pick up the load, then come talk to me.

 

[Azul]

We have our answer then. Put our forwards back and our backs forward.

Let's not compare our current backline without Jamo, to the strength we had when SOS was playing.
Let's do our best to get the back-line settled and the forward line will take care of itself when options of Waite, Henderson and even O'hAilpin are employed.

Henderson has made a name for himself this year as a backman. There would be absolutely no value in moving him forward for the finals, with him having to step up and re-learn the position in a fortnight.

Despite his vocal fans on here, Setanta would be in the gun to be delisted. 6 goals from 5 games this year - finals saviour? Despite his marking prowess, Thornton has kicked 6 goals in 17 games not involving GC.

Horses for courses. Jamison is available and may be our best forward target for the finals. i.e. Fingers crossed he does but Waite mightn't play again this year.

 

[Azul]

When we have backmen of the quality of McKay, Sexton, Christou etc to pick up the load, then come talk to me.

When we have an available key position forward, let me know.

SOS was successfully in emergency situations when Sticks was unavailable. The prolonged absence of Waite called for desperate measures.

 

[Snoozer]

Waite comes back and goes forward, maybe even O'halpin and the structural hole is filled. I'm not a huge fan of moving Jamison forward when I think it is clear he is needed back, and will return there with fitness

Spot on.

We need the structural gap filled, and Setant can do that. We don't need anyone to take 12 contested grabs and kick four... he just needs to compete as a bail-out option when we have a slow play situation, or give a lead-up when required. Just force a contest and ensure that the opposition don't mark or clear the ball uncontested. Given his natural agression, Setant is arguably better at that than Waite. Waite's agression is fabricated, and well, dumb most of the time.

 

[VicO]

When we have an available key position forward, let me know.

SOS was successfully in emergency situations when Sticks was unavailable. The prolonged absence of Waite called for desperate measures.

Our forward line is potent enough and has performed admirably all year and will get even better with the return of Waite and the advancement of Kruezer next year. Our backline has been our achilles heel and needs to be our biggest concern. Jamison is nearing the peak of his craft and will only get smarter and cannier with time. Why rob him and us of that by trying to be too cute with positions?

 

[VicO]

I think some people underestimate just how powerful a rock-hard, well-drilled backline can be for a clubs premierships chances. If Yarran, Duigan and Laidler move up a level next year and Jamison gets even better, we'll win the flag.

 

[mac25]

Our forward line is potent enough and has performed admirably all year and will get even better with the return of Waite and the advancement of Kruezer next year. Our backline has been our achilles heel and needs to be our biggest concern. Jamison is nearing the peak of his craft and will only get smarter and cannier with time. Why rob him and us of that by trying to be too cute with positions?

This is not correct at all Waite is nearing 30 and is becoming injury prone whilst he still has a few years left we need someone else for the longer term, Kruezer has rarely performed effectively in his career as a forward,he clearly plays his best football in the ruck, our defence is going very well and is in good shape with Jamison at full back and Henderson CHB, add the development of Watson and our defence is in good shape in the coming years.

Our forward half is a different story, whilst Betts, Gartlett and Walker have been excellent, most of the better games have come against weaker opposition, we need a more rounded attack to match the best sides in the next year or two.

 

[ScarfacePacino]

This is not correct at all Waite is nearing 30 and is becoming injury prone whilst he still has a few years left we need someone else for the longer term, Kruezer has rarely performed effectively in his career as a forward,he clearly plays his best football in the ruck, our defence is going very well and is in good shape with Jamison at full back and Henderson CHB, add the development of Watson and our defence is in good shape in the coming years.

Our forward half is a different story, whilst Betts, Gartlett and Walker have been excellent, most of the better games have come against weaker opposition, we need a more rounded attack to match the best sides in the next year or two.

The fact is we should be targeting a real forward and not making someone into a forward. We should be looking at any young key forward off contract. We talking about a marking forward that plays that position, not a Ruckmen learning where to lead. I would be getting John Butcher, Brendan Fevola as a mutre age rookie and even trying to find a 3rd option in the draft, while we also have Luke Mitchell. Henderson, Watson could hold 2 spots at the back for 8 years with Jamison also down back for another 4-5 years, but he like Waite misses chunks of games with injuries.

 

[therubbernub]

Well i cant believe it. No discussion about Hampson? Think about it, he adds size, bulk mobility, and best of all flexibility.

Play him at CHF

1.This will release Kruezer into the ruck around the ground to compensate for Warnocks lack of finesse in this area. Kreuzer is not playing well as a permanent forward.
2.He is also added insurance in case of injury to one of our ruckman.
3.Allows our defence to stay together with Jamo and henderson taking the big boys

IMO Hampson is in our best 22, its just that we keep thinking of him as a third ruckman, which starts the inevitable Hampson v Warnock debates. We are crying out for another big man so why not make Hampson a KPP?