Jason Cloke has no one to blame but himself

[The Mailman]

"To see your son with his heart broken and know there's nothing you can do to fix it, it tears you apart," said a tearful Mrs Cloke. v

Bloody hell that Mrs Cloke thinks that Cloke's suspension is worthy of a condolence book, then she really has sh1t for brains. Does anyone have the Cloke's phone number. I for one would like to take Mrs Cloke to task (plus pass on message on how the football community (non-Collingwood that is) is delighted at Cloke's suspension.

 

[Dogwatcher]

So footballers that hit people by accident, albeit recklessly, aren't able to have emotions?

 

[Daphne]

Originally posted by The Mailman


Bloody hell that Mrs Cloke thinks that Cloke's suspension is worthy of a condolence book, then she really has sh1t for brains. Does anyone have the Cloke's phone number. I for one would like to take Mrs Cloke to task (plus pass on message on how the football community (non-Collingwood that is) is delighted at Cloke's suspension.

Something tells me that these people would be stupid enough to have their phone number listed in the directory. I often wonder at the sincerity of people who tell us, "after the game he went to see his disable cousin". On Sunday night he went to the movies with his Sister and brother to see Stuart Little 2". "While all the other players were off at a glamourous Brownlow night he was with his older sister at a function at Crown". "He has bought airline tickets for his siblings to go to London". His brother begged to be allowed to fly home from Japan to be with him". "We are such a close family that whatever happens to one happens to us all". Come on give us a break most of us dont give a damm. The fact that his father looked like a bloody bouncer on Tuesday night would have cost him another week, why would your father be the person to give a character reference on your behalf, why wouldnt you use a family friend or someone who isnt as biased as your father would be. Imagine the flack this kid is going to get next year when he plays, I think he may end up at the tribunial a few more times when the opposition finish with him

 

[MarkT]

Originally posted by The Mailman
Bloody hell that Mrs Cloke thinks that Cloke's suspension is worthy of a condolence book, then she really has sh1t for brains.

Gee she loves her son and is recording well wishing messages for him in the hope of cheering him up a little. Why don't we hang her. I'm tipping she has more brains than you do anyway.

Originally posted by The Mailman
Does anyone have the Cloke's phone number. I for one would like to take Mrs Cloke to task (plus pass on message on how the football community (non-Collingwood that is) is delighted at Cloke's suspension.

Why don't you do it in person. How about telling Jason in person.

What a hero.

 

[Crowaholic]

What I dont get is why everyone says he was trying to go for the ball but his fist was no where near the ball at all when he struck Tyson.

 

[Daphne]

Collingwood supporters should be on their knees praying that Cloke doesnt get off. Dunkley played when he shouldnt have and Sydney Swans lost, Hamill played after getting off the appeal and Carlton lost. Both players said that the strain of the week took its toll on them and they shouldnt have been on the ground.

 

[schimma_20]

Originally posted by Crowaholic
What I dont get is why everyone says he was trying to go for the ball but his fist was no where near the ball at all when he struck Tyson.

Exactly right he's missed the ball by 2 feet .

 

[Cyclops]

A couple of issues here.

1) He did it, he went for it, and I doubt the appeal will do more than reduce it to 1 week.

2) There's a bit of stirring by supporters whose teams missed the GF. To these stirrers (and no-one else) I say what are you doing on Saturday? I'll be watching my side contest the GF. Why don't you go and make courageous prank calls to a really upset 19 year old boy to make yourself feel like a big man?

3) Cloke was reported for doing something that he does 10-15 times a match. Consistency please? Yes it was reckless (but not wreckless, poor old Edward's day was wrecked, I reck).

The problem is that unless someone gets hurt they let this sort of contact go all the time. About 60 secondes before the report Cloke spoiled Stenglein in the same way with the same action, but missed his face and got the ball. Play on was the call, even though Cloke crashed into his opponent. No concussion, no free. So really you're suspending the guy for bad luck, because you're basing the report and resulting penalty on the aftermath of what he did, not his action or his intent.

It is inevitable blokes will get hurt, and you try to punish and discourage reckless play to minimise injury. Why wasn't the kid penalised earlier in the year for all the huge hits he's made? They wait till he's hurt someone, well its a bit late now isn't it?

Again the sentence reflects the fact that he broke the guys face, not that his spoil was outrageously wrong.

The kid has a huge heart and will get over this and go on to bigger and better things, like flaying Carlton. He'll be pretty sore in the ticker for a while, though. He plays it hard and has earned real footy people's respect. Now he's punished, not for a deed, but for its result.

It's like saying robbing a bank ain't a crime, but if you accidently run over the guard afterwards, you should hang.

 

[The Mailman]

Hey MarkT
Not only would I laugh at Jason, probably he's old man David as well. Gee whiz, if he is in tears after all this, I suggest he gets some intestinal fortitude. If all Collingwood players feel and think like Cloke, than a 100 point grand final loss isnt' out of the question.
Getting a cheering up message book is one thing, calling it a condolence book is another thing.
No one has died.

 

[Crowaholic]

Its nothing like you said.

Yeah he does do go to spoil the ball all through the game but it was this one time that he went for Tysons face. Now he has to pay for it.

If the ball was closer than it was to them I might agree that he was spoiling but look how far away the ball was.

It's a joke that they are even trying to appeal.

 

[Dogwatcher]

Originally posted by The Mailman
Hey MarkT
Not only would I laugh at Jason, probably he's old man David as well. Gee whiz, if he is in tears after all this, I suggest he gets some intestinal fortitude. If all Collingwood players feel and think like Cloke, than a 100 point grand final loss isnt' out of the question.
Getting a cheering up message book is one thing, calling it a condolence book is another thing.
No one has died.

Do you have kids Mailman? I reckon you'd be upset to if you'd seen your son's dreams pulled away. Intestinal fortitude, you wouldn't know what it was.

 

[MagpieJoel]

Originally posted by The Mailman
Hey MarkT
Not only would I laugh at Jason, probably he's old man David as well. Gee whiz, if he is in tears after all this, I suggest he gets some intestinal fortitude. If all Collingwood players feel and think like Cloke, than a 100 point grand final loss isnt' out of the question.
Getting a cheering up message book is one thing, calling it a condolence book is another thing.
No one has died.

You are a moron in the first degree.

 

[Crowaholic]

Originally posted by The Mailman
Hey MarkT
Not only would I laugh at Jason, probably he's old man David as well. Gee whiz, if he is in tears after all this, I suggest he gets some intestinal fortitude. If all Collingwood players feel and think like Cloke, than a 100 point grand final loss isnt' out of the question.
Getting a cheering up message book is one thing, calling it a condolence book is another thing.
No one has died.

Exactly. Why are they making such a big deal. He's young he'll get to play in another Grandfinal someday in his career I'm sure.

 

[Jars458]

Mrs Cloke cares about her son and is keeping a record of other people who do to.

That is good and decent.

Some of you people would crticise anything because you are bitter and twisted and unhappy with your own lives.

I met David , Jason and Mrs Cloke in a lift at the MCG after the Crows v Tigers game there last year.

Even though they were there to support Richmond - they asked us how we enjoyed the game and said well done, and gave us directions to where we needed to go.

Lovely people.

 

[gPhonque]

Originally posted by Dave
For something that's reckless, yes.

Isn't playing football reckless?

I mean, we can crash into packs, bump players, drive their heads into the ground etc, but we can't have a leg accidentally touch another leg, or a fist accidentally touch a head in a marking contest.....

The game is getting soft. And if the tribunal continue to suspend players for silly accidents, then it will continue to get softer.

Is it so hard to believe that Cloke simply mistimed his jump/spoil?

 

[napsyd]

Originally posted by gPhonque


Isn't playing football reckless?

I mean, we can crash into packs, bump players, drive their heads into the ground etc, but we can't have a leg accidentally touch another leg, or a fist accidentally touch a head in a marking contest.....

The game is getting soft. And if the tribunal continue to suspend players for silly accidents, then it will continue to get softer.

Is it so hard to believe that Cloke simply mistimed his jump/spoil?

Nope, not al all. And if he'd mistimed his jump/spoil and had a fresh air-ey no one would be worried.

However, he made unreasonable (though most probably accidental) contact with a players head, causing him to lose conciousness, slam his face into the ground, break his nose and be concussed.

It also represented a turning point in a match as the incideent resulted in a complete momentum swing. Had Adelaide won, undoubtedly Tyson Edwards would have missed the GF, is that fair? Further, it is not beyond the realm of possibility to suggest that this one mistimed jump/spoil resulted in a one match suspension for 22 Crows.

So whilst I would never take pleasure in the young fellow missing out on a grand final appearance, I really think it's unreasonable to belittle the incident or the judgement. Collingwood should just get on with the matter at hand.

 

[Dogwatcher]

Originally posted by napsyd


It also represented a turning point in a match as the incideent resulted in a complete momentum swing. Had Adelaide won, undoubtedly Tyson Edwards would have missed the GF, is that fair? Further, it is not beyond the realm of possibility to suggest that this one mistimed jump/spoil resulted in a one match suspension for 22 Crows.

Perhaps, perhaps, perhaps.
One player does not make a team.
The Crows wouldve eventually run out of legs due to their recent travelling, they just did a little earlier than expected.

 

[napsyd]

Originally posted by Dogwatcher


Perhaps, perhaps, perhaps.
One player does not make a team.
The Crows wouldve eventually run out of legs due to their recent travelling, they just did a little earlier than expected.

True. What's done is done. Surely Collingwood can let it go and get on with things to. Brisbane must be loving this.

 

[gPhonque]

Originally posted by napsyd


Nope, not al all. And if he'd mistimed his jump/spoil and had a fresh air-ey no one would be worried.

However, he made unreasonable (though most probably accidental) contact with a players head, causing him to lose conciousness, slam his face into the ground, break his nose and be concussed.

It also represented a turning point in a match as the incideent resulted in a complete momentum swing. Had Adelaide won, undoubtedly Tyson Edwards would have missed the GF, is that fair? Further, it is not beyond the realm of possibility to suggest that this one mistimed jump/spoil resulted in a one match suspension for 22 Crows.

So whilst I would never take pleasure in the young fellow missing out on a grand final appearance, I really think it's unreasonable
to belittle the incident or the judgement. Collingwood should just get on with the matter at hand.

Firstly, I'm not a Collingwood supporter.

Hypothetical situation: Edwards is tackled by Cloke, and as Cloke is bringing Edwards down to the ground as hard as he can (it's a Prelim Final after all...) Edwards' does his knee and he's out for a year.

Would Cloke's actions be "accidental" or "reckless"?

 

[Dogwatcher]

Originally posted by The Mailman

The AFL should cut Carlton some slack, we have helped make this comp a success and so we deserve some compassion and it's great that the AFL seems to swing that way .

THis quote was taken from Mailman's thread about Carlton's salary cap breach. If only he would show the same compassion in this circumstance hey?

 

[napsyd]

Originally posted by gPhonque


Firstly, I'm not a Collingwood supporter.

Hypothetical situation: Edwards is tackled by Cloke, and as Cloke is bringing Edwards down to the ground as hard as he can (it's a Prelim Final after all...) Edwards' does his knee and he's out for a year.

Would Cloke's actions be "accidental" or "reckless"?

Yes, I know, I checked your profile.

You have a good argument, have you thought about representing Collingwood?

If the tackle is fair no problem, if it is reckless in some way then he has a problem. Intent is not the issue, recklessness is.

 

[gPhonque]

Originally posted by napsyd


Yes, I know, I checked your profile.

You have a good argument, have you thought about representing Collingwood?

If the tackle is fair no problem, if it is reckless in some way then he has a problem. Intent is not the issue, recklessness is.

So it's "reckless" to make a mistake whilst going for the ball in a Preliminary Final?

 

[moomba]

Originally posted by gPhonque
Firstly, I'm not a Collingwood supporter.

Hypothetical situation: Edwards is tackled by Cloke, and as Cloke is bringing Edwards down to the ground as hard as he can (it's a Prelim Final after all...) Edwards' does his knee and he's out for a year.

Would Cloke's actions be "accidental" or "reckless"?

They would be accidental as there would be no way of forseeing that Edwards would do the knee. His spoil on the other hand was reckless as there is a fair chance of forseeing that his spoil would do some damage if it connected with Edwards head. Given that you can forsee the damage Cloke did not take all necessary precautions to ensure that the damage did not take place.

Harsh for the kid, but 2 weeks is a fair penalty IMO.

Moomba

 

[napsyd]

Originally posted by gPhonque


So it's "reckless" to make a mistake whilst going for the ball in a Preliminary Final?

Let me ask you this. Do you think McLeod's "charge" on Lloyd earlier in the year was deliberate?

 

[gPhonque]

Originally posted by moomba


They would be accidental as there would be no way of forseeing that Edwards would do the knee. His spoil on the other hand was reckless as there is a fair chance of forseeing that his spoil would do some damage if it connected with Edwards head. Given that you can forsee the damage Cloke did not take all necessary precautions to ensure that the damage did not take place.

Harsh for the kid, but 2 weeks is a fair penalty IMO.

Moomba

So you believe it's more reckless to miss the timing of a spoil than it is to drive a player into the ground and break his knee?

Why is it that any high contact these days seems to result in a report/suspension? Isn't that what free kicks are for?

Isn't the tribunal there to eliminate dirty play?