
Originally posted by napsyd
Let me ask you this. Do you think McLeod's "charge" on Lloyd earlier in the year was deliberate?
Either I haven't seen it or I can't remember it. (I'm not a member anymore so I don't watch as much footy....)
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Originally posted by napsyd
Let me ask you this. Do you think McLeod's "charge" on Lloyd earlier in the year was deliberate?
Originally posted by gPhonque
Either I haven't seen it or I can't remember it. (I'm not a member anymore so I don't watch as much footy....)
Originally posted by gPhonque
So it's "reckless" to make a mistake whilst going for the ball in a Preliminary Final?
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Originally posted by gPhonque
So you believe it's more reckless to miss the timing of a spoil than it is to drive a player into the ground and break his knee?
Why is it that any high contact these days seems to result in a report/suspension? Isn't that what free kicks are for?
Isn't the tribunal there to eliminate dirty play?
Originally posted by Mocca
Interesting.
Reckless is the wrong word. , playing the game, flying for marks is reckless. What Cloke did certainly reckless, but that in itself shouldn't necessarily put him out. What should - and did - count against he was that he was negligent at best, and malicious at worst.
Two weeks is the correct penalty.
Having seen the incident from several different angles, and having seen Cloke do similar things on several occasions, it's my belief that while he was not necessarily trying to specifically smack Edwards in the moosh, he was undoubtedly seeking to make substantial physical contact to Edwards with his fist.
Originally posted by Mocca
Beautifully constructed argument Lockyer24 - thanks for your valuable contribution to this debate.
having seen Cloke do similar things on several occasions
it's my belief that while he was not necessarily trying to specifically smack Edwards in the moosh
Originally posted by moomba
Absolutely.
Do you want specific incidents? Round 8 versus Brisbane, he did a similar thing to what happened on Saturday. I recall a Melbourne player getting severely contacted from behind when under the ball in Round 11, and I saw Campbell Brown sniped after a marking contest in Round 19.Originally posted by Lockyer24
1. Cloke has not made serious contact with anyone's head from a spoiling attempt in the enitre 20 games that he has played. What games have you been watching?
In the extremely unlikely event of his fist going anywhere near the ball in the Edwards incident (you know, the one where he missed by two feet), his round arm swing would have knocked the ball centrally, rather than towards Collingwood's goal.2. His aim was always to hit the ball toward our goal not to physically impede Edwards from the marking contest. He would have tried to knock his arms, not go the punch if this was the case.
I would agree he tries to 'spoil' in that manner quite regularly. Mick Martyn has made a career out of it.You would know this is something he does about 5 times a game or more if you'd actually seen him play before.
Likewise dearie.I re-iterate, absolute crap.
Originally posted by Port Adelaide 1870
I couldnt give a stuff if Quaduple Chins takes this to court for an Injunction...Good on Collingwood...
Take it to Court
PA1870
Originally posted by gPhonque
So if you break another players knee in a hard and deliberately tough (one could even say "reckless") tackle, it's ok.
But if you accidentally hit a player in the head when you try to spoil, you get 2 weeks.
There's something not quite right about that.
Originally posted by napsyd
Isn't society judicial enough without bringing it into football? I know it's happened before, but why should it happen again?
Originally posted by gPhonque
With our incompetent joke of a tribunal, it's a wonder it doesn't happen more often.
Originally posted by napsyd
Isn't society judicial enough without bringing it into football? I know it's happened before, but why should it happen again?
Originally posted by Port Adelaide 1870
simply and only because there has been precedent.
PA1870
Originally posted by Crowaholic
I'm happy he didn't win his appeal. Although you do feel sorry for him but hey he did it.
Also didn't his father make a fool of himself on the footy show by comparing all of those different incidents which were nothing like his sons?![]()
Originally posted by Crowaholic
I'm happy he didn't win his appeal. Although you do feel sorry for him but hey he did it.
Also didn't his father make a fool of himself on the footy show by comparing all of those different incidents which were nothing like his sons?![]()
Originally posted by gPhonque
Hypothetical situation: Edwards is tackled by Cloke, and as Cloke is bringing Edwards down to the ground as hard as he can (it's a Prelim Final after all...) Edwards' does his knee and he's out for a year.
Would Cloke's actions be "accidental" or "reckless"?