Jesse White dropping marks

[bedford]

Hanging out for the easy ball, he was probably in that photo at quarter time

 

[CAS79]

OK Jesse - go learn what you need to learn and come back better for it.

I think a fair bit of coaching is now going to go into Jesse about when to start moving as a forward and where to go.

He is powerful enough for the position and has a great set of hands. We just got a little ahead of ourselves as fans as to where Jese was at his development. Despite some being labeled as haters I think we all want Jesse to come back a better player for his stint in the ressies and Im in no doubt he will be.

 

[disgruntled goat]

I've been trying to think for some days how to word this ...

Basically, I believe Jesse White is a very talented footballer, and potentially a special forward. We've been buying our key marking forwards for some time now, and I've been of the opinion since his first NAB Cup game, a four-goal effort, three years ago, that White could be the first in probably a generation (Capper?) we've developed within the club.

His non-football background has been mentioned, and that's why I think his best education should be in seniors, playing with the likes of Goodes and Bradshaw, and Hall and MOL before them.

I would not expect much argument (would make a change) in saying White is a superb athlete (in fact, his athleticism, to me, sets him apart from several other similar big forward types), and a very big, strong young bloke. As has been proven, such big key position players need time. Buddy Franklin was not a superstar when he first came into football.

White needs a football education and confidence. I believe that would best come with senior football, week in, week out. We are not genuine flag contenders this season, and it is for that reason I believe there's little to be lost playing White in the senior team. I believe he should've been told at the start of the season, despite the presence of Bradshaw, that he would be playing senior footy all season and allowed to learn and develop without fear of being on the reserves elevator every few weeks if he doesn't kick eight goals.

What has annoyed me the most in this debate is the suggestion White's effort is substandard; that he lacks a work ethic. I believe that's just wrong, and anyone arguing that to be the case is not seeing the same things I see in White.

I don't plan on engaging in further argument on the subject; time will tell whether I'm right or not. I just hope that if Jesselenko DOES vindicate my (and Mr Fu's) lofty opinions, he does it in red and white.

 

[bedford]

Same here

 

[bungee]

....Buddy Franklin was not a superstar when he first came into football.....

I know what you're saying about forwards developing but Buddy's in a different league. He was drafted in '04, played 20 games in '05 and by '06 was 2.2 goals/game, 3.3 in his third season. Jonathan Brown might be a better analogy as he also had a quiet 3rd season before hitting his straps.

I also think you can overplay the non-footy background. Sure he played junior basketball but he's not a newby to footy compared with say Mike Pyke who didn't play any footy (and he improves game by game). Kieran Jack had a rugby background, Tadgh Kennelly Gaelic footy, Adam Goodes only played soccer and turned to footy as a teenager.

Personally I thought a spell in defence would be the right tonic for him rather than dropping him. One argument says if you want to learn from the best forwards you play on them.

I'd really like to see Jesse in form for the tail end of the year. I hope he belts it in the ressies and comes back soon fired up and full of confidence.

 

[Swanee]

I've been trying to think for some days how to word this ...

Basically, I believe Jesse White is a very talented footballer, and potentially a special forward. We've been buying our key marking forwards for some time now, and I've been of the opinion since his first NAB Cup game, a four-goal effort, three years ago, that White could be the first in probably a generation (Capper?) we've developed within the club.

His non-football background has been mentioned, and that's why I think his best education should be in seniors, playing with the likes of Goodes and Bradshaw, and Hall and MOL before them.

I would not expect much argument (would make a change) in saying White is a superb athlete (in fact, his athleticism, to me, sets him apart from several other similar big forward types), and a very big, strong young bloke. As has been proven, such big key position players need time. Buddy Franklin was not a superstar when he first came into football.

White needs a football education and confidence. I believe that would best come with senior football, week in, week out. We are not genuine flag contenders this season, and it is for that reason I believe there's little to be lost playing White in the senior team. I believe he should've been told at the start of the season, despite the presence of Bradshaw, that he would be playing senior footy all season and allowed to learn and develop without fear of being on the reserves elevator every few weeks if he doesn't kick eight goals.

What has annoyed me the most in this debate is the suggestion White's effort is substandard; that he lacks a work ethic. I believe that's just wrong, and anyone arguing that to be the case is not seeing the same things I see in White.

I don't plan on engaging in further argument on the subject; time will tell whether I'm right or not. I just hope that if Jesselenko DOES vindicate my (and Mr Fu's) lofty opinions, he does it in red and white.

I dont see why White's education and confidence needs to be built in the seniors, when other players learn theit football smarts and gain their confidence in junior and reserves football. I also believe White can become an elite forward, and certainly hope he does. I also think a few games down back would do him a lot of good, but I am happy with him being dropped for now and hope when he comes back to the seniors it will be in the backline to increase his education. Perhaps it would be a good idea to play him in the backline in the seconds for now.

 

[vonn]

I'm not goign to read this whole thread but one day someonen will have to explain to me why getting dropped for a few weeks = the end of career, development and life.

 

[Tedeski]

I love Jesse too!
But unfortunately for him, there are a few other players that need to be rewarded for good performances in the twos. Although I think Playfair is not in a Swans team that is pushing for serious p'ship contention, he has at least worked hard in the games he was given before being mysteriously rested.

The only sympathy I have for Jesse is that he hasn't been allowed to settle this year in a forward position.

Roos' dilemma ATM is that he can't have two forwards "gaining their confidence in the seniors"......................all at the expense of the rest of the team!!

There is a bloke named Adam Goodes who is some serious poor form. Unfortunately for Jesse White, Goodesy gets the "life" in the seniors because he has earnt that right & can turn a game (not sure which one) in the blink of an eye!
Jesse therefore needs to go back & let Playfair or Richards or Bradshaw etc etc...to either display poor form every week or get injured.

The other bloke waiting in the wings is Lewis Johnson. If Jesse is finding it tough to perform now, wait until Lewis gets going. Trent Denis-Lane is also busting to have a crack at the big time & I have a hunch that he just may be the one to grab his opportunty & cement a senior spot in the forward line.

So we all need to stop feeling too sorry for Jesse because there are other players who have had just as much, if not more of a hard time thus far in season 2010.

Sorry! Jesse needs to get his confidence in the twos & should he not, then perhaps he just isn't 'the next big thing' that we all think & wish him to be!! I can still see a defensive position for him in the future! Yes I know he's been tried there but how many times can a bloke be dropped back to the twos to get his confidence in the forward line?

Just my thoughts on the matter folks! I respect what everyone else feels on the matter just the same!!

 

[Rhino5]

I'm a big JW fan, really want him to succeed, and agree with most of MPB's post. I'm a bit torn - on the one hand, I really think Jesse is not helping win games right now and, while we are still in finals contention, that is a problem. On the other hand, do we really have any better options? Probably not. If Lewis Johnston is actually ready to play, then I would support that, but otherwise, White must be in the team. We have so little genuine talent or gamebreaking quality in our forward line, I think it's worth enduring some rough weeks for the possibility that he might kick 5 and win us a game one week - some may say, he's not a threat to do that right now and maybe he isn't realistically, but when you play FF, you are very reliant on the quality of your midfield and their delivery, and we aren't getting it done in that area at the moment. We saw how much he can make a difference for us last year. I see no reason not to persist with him if the alternative is someone like Henry Playfair.

 

[vonn]

Henry Playfair is very annoyingly underrated. At least he is kicking goals and marking well.

 

[bungee]

Henry Playfair is very annoyingly underrated. At least he is kicking goals and marking well.

+1

Played his balls off with huge effort all over the ground until Roos took the cautious option to rest him with hammy soreness. Showed enough to keep his spot in the 22. Do people know the injuries this guy had to deal with ? His early promise at Geelong was hampered by recurring injuries and they followed him to Sydney. After a huge operation he has clawed his way back and earned his spot.

If he stays injury free he should get better and better.

 

[RUNVS]

+1

Played his balls off with huge effort all over the ground until Roos took the cautious option to rest him with hammy soreness. Showed enough to keep his spot in the 22. Do people know the injuries this guy had to deal with ? His early promise at Geelong was hampered by recurring injuries and they followed him to Sydney. After a huge operation he has clawed his way back and earned his spot.

If he stays injury free he should get better and better.

I'd much rather have Playfair in our forward line than Tom Hawkins.

 

[TheMase]

Henry Playfair is very annoyingly underrated. At least he is kicking goals and marking well.

Absolutely. Playfair gets an unfair assessment. I hope he can keep his body together but he is a handy depth player. Certainly, he will give us more than White is currently.

 

[barry fu]

I've been trying to think for some days how to word this ...

Basically, I believe Jesse White is a very talented footballer, and potentially a special forward. We've been buying our key marking forwards for some time now, and I've been of the opinion since his first NAB Cup game, a four-goal effort, three years ago, that White could be the first in probably a generation (Capper?) we've developed within the club.

His non-football background has been mentioned, and that's why I think his best education should be in seniors, playing with the likes of Goodes and Bradshaw, and Hall and MOL before them.

I would not expect much argument (would make a change) in saying White is a superb athlete (in fact, his athleticism, to me, sets him apart from several other similar big forward types), and a very big, strong young bloke. As has been proven, such big key position players need time. Buddy Franklin was not a superstar when he first came into football.

White needs a football education and confidence. I believe that would best come with senior football, week in, week out. We are not genuine flag contenders this season, and it is for that reason I believe there's little to be lost playing White in the senior team. I believe he should've been told at the start of the season, despite the presence of Bradshaw, that he would be playing senior footy all season and allowed to learn and develop without fear of being on the reserves elevator every few weeks if he doesn't kick eight goals.

What has annoyed me the most in this debate is the suggestion White's effort is substandard; that he lacks a work ethic. I believe that's just wrong, and anyone arguing that to be the case is not seeing the same things I see in White.

I don't plan on engaging in further argument on the subject; time will tell whether I'm right or not. I just hope that if Jesselenko DOES vindicate my (and Mr Fu's) lofty opinions, he does it in red and white.

It's frightening to think MR PB that in the entire history of the draft as we know it. We have not picked and developed a key forward at all.... In 24 years FFS.

In JESSE and LongJohn we now have the chance to rectify this.
The forwards coaching role, over the next couple of years is just as important as the seniors in developing this dynamic duo for me - if not more.
Plugger where the feck are you.

If Bradshaw plays JESSE must also. He will learn more from sitting off Bradshaws shoulder than in the back blocks of Belconnen.

JESSELENKO :diamond: will be a premier power forward.
Hopefully dressed in dynamic RED & WHITE, and not some other foreign $hite. In round 16 last year against Carlton he announced himself to the agnostic after being dropped in round 14.
The scene is set for JESSE tony stark WHITE :spade: to return and slay the conservative cardigan crowd, again!

 

[barry fu]

Do people know the injuries this guy had to deal with ? His early promise at Geelong was hampered by recurring injuries and they followed him to Sydney. After a huge operation he has clawed his way back and earned his spot.

If he stays injury free he should get better and better.

I dare say if they are not aware, they will be upon reading his eagerly awaited autobiography.

 

[swansfan51]

Henry Playfair is very annoyingly underrated. At least he is kicking goals and marking well.

Exactly right. I'll put up my hand and say I bagged him earlier in the year, but he has done a hell of a lot more than Jesse this season. Jesse has fantastic athleticism and agility, but limited footballing awareness and at times this season his hands have been very poor (both in the air and off the ground).

 

[bedford]

If Playbad doesn't perform this week F H Off, this is his real chance against a crap backline.

 

[bungee]

I dare say if they are not aware, they will be upon reading his eagerly awaited autobiography.

Whooooaaah Fu. That's two of your posts in a row that I could understand. What's happening to me man ?? I gotta stop doing those trips to Amsterdam !

(Mind you tonight it will be wild in the Netherlands. I'm tempted to slip into something orange, head North & party hard)

 

[Stevie Ray Swan]

If Playbad doesn't perform this week F H Off, this is his real chance against a crap backline.

I dont believe Henry has put in a bad performance since, actually, since I cant remember, can YOU!!!. The abuse that he cops on here is a joke. He is in our best 22 when fit and can deliver some much needed forward punch.

 

[SM]

If Playbad doesn't perform this week F H Off, this is his real chance against a crap backline.

He hasn't really put a step wrong since his return so get off his back. This isn't Richmond, we don't turn on our own players.

 

[RUNVS]

If Playbad doesn't perform this week F H Off, this is his real chance against a crap backline.

Thats not being entirely fair as Henry Playfair's stats in 2010 are quite a bit better than the stats of Jesse White. Playfair will never set the world on fire with performances but he is a solid player who will do his part.

Plus he has some of the best hands in the Swans team and the Swans desperately need someone who can take a contested mark in the forward 50 at the moment.

 

[DeadlyAkkuret]

Yep I'll concede, Playfair is a handy player for us by default.

 

[Mick Oxlong]

Yep I'll concede, Playfair is a handy player for us by default.

Is that the same as you being a handy poster by default?

 

[DeadlyAkkuret]

If you're the competition, yes.

 

[Mick Oxlong]

If you're the competition, yes.

Luckily for me...i'm not the competition!