John Anthony - Do We Sometimes Forget...

[shawthing09]

It is so easy to forget.

Also, what makes it more astounding is the fact he was recruited as a defender. This means he has basically had to master a new position, whilst also trying to earn his spot in the senior side. He has done all this in the space of 2 years. A huge effort.

IIRC JAJH (his dad) mentioned last year that John had played as a foward all the way up until the u/18 where he was played as a defender because McKinley was there full foward and was top age and established in the side as FF.

 

[gocats88]

To those who think he can not mark in a contest - he is able to mark on the lead at full pace something rocca was never able to master. He will do just fine. I am more worried about our other marking forwards the last few weeks.

sounds like kent kingsley lets hope he doesn't ever get the 3yr yips in front of goals.

 

[gocats88]

Already streets ahead of Tom Hawkins though so I'm not to sure where that leaves the future of your forward line at.



Spent a year on the sidelines with a neck injury and the first year and a half developing solely as a defender. May have had an impact you think yeah?

You should spend your time disliking someone who deserves it, like Colin 'bash up my girlfriend' Slyvia.

The thing that John is better at than tom hawkins is kicking for goal and that's it. shame thats what most people look at as a ff/chf, not the contested marking or creating a contest, tackling and the second or thrid efforts.

 

[BEEG]

Most goals Rocca scored in a year would have been 50-60 Anthony is doing that before he has played 50 games i think thats a great effort

 

[shawthing09]

The thing that John is better at than tom hawkins is kicking for goal and that's it. shame thats what most people look at as a ff/chf, not the contested marking or creating a contest, tackling and the second or thrid efforts.

Anthony's ability to create a contest and his defensive pressure are first rate. Hawkins has a size advantage and as a result is more likely to beat defenders in a contest but Anthony is very very good at A) Creating a contest in the air when he is out numbered and getting the ball to ground and then B) applying defensive pressure to try and win the ball back at ground level.

 

[smiddaz123]

The thing that John is better at than tom hawkins is kicking for goal and that's it. shame thats what most people look at as a ff/chf, not the contested marking or creating a contest, tackling and the second or thrid efforts.

Anthony is better at ground level.
Anthony provides better defensive pressure.
Anthony is currently equal to Hawkins in contested marking, which when you consider the size of Hawkins, is very surprising.
Anthony is also a smarter player/

If Hawkins was better than Anthony in all but one area, he'd have had a better season than Anthony in 2009, which he didn't. When you consider the Hawkins was playing in Geelong, it pretty much speaks volumes as to where they are at the moment.

 

[gocats88]

Anthony is better at ground level.
Anthony provides better defensive pressure.
Anthony is currently equal to Hawkins in contested marking, which when you consider the size of Hawkins, is very surprising.
Anthony is also a smarter player/

If Hawkins was better than Anthony in all but one area, he'd have had a better season than Anthony in 2009, which he didn't. When you consider the Hawkins was playing in Geelong, it pretty much speaks volumes as to where they are at the moment.

Anthony never had any pressure coming into the afl no one rated the kid from diamond creek. while there were and still are expectations on hawkins from fans, other suppoters and media. this is the reason i think hawkins misses some easy goalsand mark. if anthony is better than tom in the comments you posted above then how come there stats are almost the same in tackles, marks and disposals i would be interested to see how many contested marks john anthony took too.

 

[smiddaz123]

Anthony never had any pressure coming into the afl no one rated the kid from diamond creek. while there were and still are expectations on hawkins from fans, other suppoters and media. this is the reason i think hawkins misses some easy goalsand mark.

And what about Saturday Night? Did Anthony have much pressure on his shoulders when he was lining up for goal to put Collingwood in front with 20 seconds left?

His goal kicking accuracy has been well publicised, and he was definitely expected to kick it, and he delivered.

He has the maturity and composure to keep his head in a pressure situation. If Hawkins doesn't, that's just another reason why Anthony is better at the moment.

if anthony is better than tom in the comments you posted above then how come there stats are almost the same in tackles, marks and disposals i would be interested to see how many contested marks john anthony took too.

I'd say Hawkins plays further up the ground as a lead up forward than Anthony does, so I'd actually expect him to have more marks than Anthony actually. Ditto disposals.

 

[gocats88]

i think jonh anthony would have more game time and be more of a focal point for collingwood than hawkins for geelong.

 

[sackbreath]

i think jonh anthony would have more game time and be more of a focal point for collingwood than hawkins for geelong.

probably because anthony has been a better player and done the job more often, and therefore has not warranted being regularly benched or dropped every other week. Hawkins aint made for the modern game-too one dimensional.

 

[gocats88]

probably because anthony has been a better player and done the job more often, and therefore has not warranted being regularly benched or dropped every other week. Hawkins aint made for the modern game-too one dimensional.

One dimensinal? john only marks on a lead and is a good kick at goal. hawkins can breack through tackles, applies pressure, is a good contested mark and has a great vertical leap.

 

[enosis7]

i would be interested to see how many contested marks john anthony took too.

If Anthony is just a lead and mark player, why do Anthony and Hawkins have had the exact same number of contested marks, with 28 for the year. They have about the same number of uncontested marks too.

You also forgot the most important stat for a key forward. Anthony has kicked 20 odd more goals for the season, and has had about 35 more shots on goal than Hawkins.

 

[shawthing09]

One dimensinal? john only marks on a lead and is a good kick at goal. hawkins can breack through tackles, applies pressure, is a good contested mark and has a great vertical leap.

His not simply a mark on the lead foward and that is why your assements of him are wrong.

Anthony supplies great defensive pressure so to say "Tom Hawkins applies pressure" as if that is something he does better then Anthony is just wrong.

If we want to list a C.V Anthony hits the ball on the lead at full pace and is a one grab mark.

Is strong body on body for his size.

Quick on the lead.

Applies great defensive pressure.

Is a great in the air defender which allows him to create a spilliage when out of position to mark.

Is willing and able to hit the pack at full tilt to cause a spillage.

etc etc etc.

As has been mentioned Geelong's fowardline is a constant source of criticism and Hawkins has been given every chance the fact that Anthony is playing as focal point and getting lots of time on ground and Hawkins isn't is an indication that one is ready to whilst the other isn't.

 

[gocats88]

If Anthony is just a lead and mark player, why do Anthony and Hawkins have had the exact same number of contested marks, with 28 for the year. They have about the same number of uncontested marks too.

You also forgot the most important stat for a key forward. Anthony has kicked 20 odd more goals for the season, and has had about 35 more shots on goal than Hawkins.

Hawkins has led up the ground more he plays more chf than ff. and as i said before Anthony is more of a focal point than tom hawkins. john is not miles ahead just because he is a better set shot. im sure when hawkins gets over the status of being the great white hope for geelong and has coinfidence he will kick more goals. ( He's actually not that bad from a set shot when he gets his coinfidence up)

 

[gocats88]

His not simply a mark on the lead foward and that is why your assements of him are wrong.

Anthony supplies great defensive pressure so to say "Tom Hawkins applies pressure" as if that is something he does better then Anthony is just wrong.

If we want to list a C.V Anthony hits the ball on the lead at full pace and is a one grab mark.

Is strong body on body for his size.

Quick on the lead.

Applies great defensive pressure.

Is a great in the air defender which allows him to create a spilliage when out of position to mark.

Is willing and able to hit the pack at full tilt to cause a spillage.

etc etc etc.

As has been mentioned Geelong's fowardline is a constant source of criticism and Hawkins has been given every chance the fact that Anthony is playing as focal point and getting lots of time on ground and Hawkins isn't is an indication that one is ready to whilst the other isn't.

hawkins has more tackles than anthony. unfair critism name me one other forwrdline to have 7 players kick over 20 goals. and when hawkins starts getting coinfedince in his goal scoring then i reckon he has passed anthony.

 

[shawthing09]

hawkins has more tackles than anthony. unfair critism name me one other forwrdline to have 7 players kick over 20 goals. and when hawkins starts getting coinfedince in his goal scoring then i reckon he has passed anthony.

As you have mentioned he plays more CHF then FF at the moment and as such should be getting more marks and more possies then Anthony as well as probably more tackles.

7 more tackles over the course of a season is really an insignificant difference.

As for the "he plays CHF" tag I actually think that is an easier possie to play in modern football as teams are willing to let fowards get the ball further out from goal and zone back to stop the final ball in.

I am not saying Hawkins will never be a better player then Anthony but right now Anthony is comfortably a more complete foward then Hawkins.

As for 7 goal kickers the majority of them are small players who rotate through the foward line.

Mooney is a key foward, Steve Johnson is an inbetweener but really out of that list of 7 players who kicked 20 or more goals the 2 key fowards are Mooney and Hawkins.

The fact that you have 4 smalls kicking that amount of goals highlights the point that you have to be precise with your entries into foward 50 and hit small targets because you lack the power in the reliable tall targets.

Also Anthony has gotten the number 1 defender more often then not over the course of this year. Opposition clubs choose to play smaller mobile defenders on Cloke.

For the record Collingwood had 6 people kick over 20 with Didak kicking 19.

 

[gocats88]

As you have mentioned he plays more CHF then FF at the moment and as such should be getting more marks and more possies then Anthony as well as probably more tackles.

7 more tackles over the course of a season is really an insignificant difference.

As for the "he plays CHF" tag I actually think that is an easier possie to play in modern football as teams are willing to let fowards get the ball further out from goal and zone back to stop the final ball in.

I am not saying Hawkins will never be a better player then Anthony but right now Anthony is comfortably a more complete foward then Hawkins.

apart from the goal to win you the game against adelaiade has John actullaly done anything this final series. yes i agree that he is a better forward atm just because he kicks more goals but i wouldn't stay comfortably.

 

[BABYBOMBERS2007]

Wow I never knew its his 2nd season. That's really good of him so far.

 

[smiddaz123]

apart from the goal to win you the game against adelaiade has John actullaly done anything this final series. yes i agree that he is a better forward atm just because he kicks more goals but i wouldn't stay comfortably.

Anthony has had a quiet finals series, most people would concede that for sure.

However, Collingwood's gameplan against St Kilda was very direct. The Collingwood midfielder's didn't try to pick out a forward on the lead, more just a long kick in the hope that Rocca/Cloke/Anthony could take a grab. Anthony excels in one on one contested marks, but in terms of pack marks, he doesn't really take them often.

The St Kilda defence is constantly helping each other out, so it isn't often that there'll be a genuine one on one contest. Similarly against Adelaide, Anthony was rarely one out with his opponent. He was basically expected to make a genuine contest out of the situation, which I felt he did.

So because of the Saints zone, and the way we delivered the ball, Anthony was always going to the struggle. He's a good forward, but not that good.

He played up the ground a little bit from memory, but really, the Saints zone was just too good for us.

Overall, I don't get the impression that he's been down on form because it's finals time. In the same scenario in the Home and Away season, I'd be expecting the same result. The best sign from him is that he didn't falter under the pressure of the late kick for goal against Adelaide.

 

[Bloben]

To put things into perspective, at the start of the season Jack was only a few games away from being eligible for the Rising Star award. The guy is a baby.

I had forgotten actually how young he is. He seems so mature and has been an important part of our forward line since he joined it last season.

 

[Chief Ten Beers]

Most goals Rocca scored in a year would have been 50-60 Anthony is doing that before he has played 50 games i think thats a great effort

Exactly!

 

[Cats33]

To future more put things into perspective , We will all forget about John Anthony come Saturday and the All Australian Full back lines up on him . Scarlo will dominate Anthony and will also see plenty off the ball

 

[absy]

Because Scarlett doesn't dominate most full fowards. . wouldnt be the reason hes AA or anything?

Lets see 200+ gamer, played about 10 seasons vs Jack with 1 1/2 seasons.

Oh emm gee. ****ing cats. Jack to kick 4 because Scarlett becomes to cocky with AA selection just like his supporters.

 

[Invigoration]

To future more put things into perspective , We will all forget about John Anthony come Saturday and the All Australian Full back lines up on him . Scarlo will dominate Anthony and will also see plenty off the ball

'To future more put things into perspective', we will see Tom Hawkins at his best getting dominated by Leigh Brown.

 

[Jonno_]

To future more put things into perspective , We will all forget about John Anthony come Saturday and the All Australian Full back lines up on him . Scarlo will dominate Anthony and will also see plenty off the ball

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