Coach John Longmire

[CheapCharlie]

How could you possibly know that...???

 

[Kirkswan]

I am not in finance. I am from the cut throat world of reality. (and software development).

Longmire almost certainly has KPI's. I do not know what these are, I assume they would be something like the following
* 1- 4 finish
* a preliminary final.

At the end of the year, questions need to be asked.

* Why were these KPI's not met?
* Who is the right person to meet these KPI's?

I hope these kind of questions are done at all levels of the club.

Re: Carlton.

The reason I brought this up is because, if at 0-6 is acceptable, this year because it's horse, and you back him to turn it around. What happens next year if he's
0-5? or 0-7? Back him in again under the bs of "stability"?

Horse is going to get fired/moved on eventually. The question is when and what state will the Swans be in when that happens?

Firstly, so sorry I got your employment wrong... I didn't mean any offence!

I'm sorry but I totally disagree regarding the KPIs. His KPIs would have been set with the contract, and would be unlikely to be changed during that contracted period. And making the four would be bonus material, it would not be the basic requirements for meeting basic KPIs. And the KPIs you have mentioned are much too narrow for the role he is doing, especially when you consider that it is Sydney.

However, putting aside what his KPIs are, lets talk about whether or not he meets them. What if we now go 6-6, does that resolve the issue? What if we finish the season 14/8? Do we still need to change coaches due to the initial 0-6? What specifically do you think he could have done with the injury run we have had? Sure we have lost some close games that perhaps we should have won, but mostly I feel that we have done really well to get as close as we have got, considering the players that have been playing with injury and the outs we have had. His employers, the Sydney Board, will need to come up with specific things he could have done to impact this situation if they are going to claim he did not meet the requirements.

If it turns out that we finish the season 6/16 (which I highly doubt), and we haven't lost Buddy, JPK, Reg, Rampe and Reid due to season ending injuries, then I would agree that there was an issue. However even then, I doubt that I would sack/fire him. I would be looking for the plan to pull us out. But I just don't believe that is going to happen... Comparing us to Calton and/or speculating that we will go 0-5 or 0-7 next year is just pure fantasy. Its like you are looking for a reason that might happen in the future to justify a position taken now.

You don't think he is a good coach, but I can't find any evidence to support that. Nothing in his stats or his outcomes points in that direction. You may lay the blame of losing two GFs at his door, but I can't find any evidence to support that either! In one, our team was overwhelmed and by the time they recovered it was all too late, and in the other... well lets just say that there were outside factors involved who are supported by well-know eye-care manufacturer! You might not like the way he coaches, but he is successful, just look at the numbers.

Anyway, I think we are going to have to agree to disagree... we don't seem to have any common ground on this one

 

[Jewelsbon]

Our midfield remains one of the best in the league for a reason. The midfield didn't let us down on the day, our ruck division is horrendous and our backline is incredibly weak now.

Did you actually see the 2014 GF? Our midfield, in totality, were MIA!

 

[SM]

Did you actually see the 2014 GF? Our midfield, in totality, were MIA!

That wasn't Dew's fault.

 

[Tuco]

Did you actually see the 2014 GF? Our midfield, in totality, were MIA!

Yep. It was horrible. Not up for a physical fight.

In positive news,

The crew we've been watching the last fortnight wouldn't have watched Hannas get lifted off his feet and driven into the turf in the opening moments of the game, turned their backs, and walked back to their positions like they did in 2014.

I hope...

 

[Jewelsbon]

That wasn't Dew's fault.

Agreed, but it wasn't Longmires either. The problem was between the ears of the players.

 

[Number37]

I am not in finance. I am from the cut throat world of reality. (and software development).

Longmire almost certainly has KPI's. I do not know what these are, I assume they would be something like the following
* 1- 4 finish
* a preliminary final.

At the end of the year, questions need to be asked.

* Why were these KPI's not met?
* Who is the right person to meet these KPI's?

I hope these kind of questions are done at all levels of the club.

Re: Carlton.

The reason I brought this up is because, if at 0-6 is acceptable, this year because it's horse, and you back him to turn it around. What happens next year if he's
0-5? or 0-7? Back him in again under the bs of "stability"?

Horse is going to get fired/moved on eventually. The question is when and what state will the Swans be in when that happens?

Next year would be entirely different.
0-6 after what he has achieved over the last 6 years is a blip.
0-6 next year and questions will be asked, as they should.

 

[Mick Oxlong]

That wasn't Dew's fault.

I dug a hole once. I stopped!

 

[Theprofessional]

We got done in the 2014 grand final very similarly to how we got done late in the year by Hawthorn. Exact same problems which everyone chalked up to as an off day or the players fault- was exact same issues. It was Longmire's fault that we lined up exact same way and got smashed again- some players have a lot of blame though especially after last year.

 

[SwansProudly]

A John Longmire plus is that the Swans have a psychologist (not just a sports psychologist) at the club.
From memory John tried to get the AFL to exclude a psychologist's salary from the football's team budget (but failed).
He does care for the health of his players.
This must have been of huge benefit to Lance Franklin last year.

 

[SM]

Agreed, but it wasn't Longmires either. The problem was between the ears of the players.

It was longmires team selection.

 

[J_Moore]

Has to go. No idea.

 

[Tesla Tenet]

My general feeling about Longmire is linked to his defensive mind set.

Most posters are challenging his ability to defend and attack with a balanced game plan.

I have not asked for us to sack him but I demand a system that provides is the opportunity to score quickly and heavily WHEN REQUIRED e.g GF.

Yesterday showed a startling stat around half time. Our points came from 80% turnovers because our more 1 on 1 defending created pressure and that meant forwards were in a position to score.

Normally we scored heavily from stoppages for years. It is effective but we hardly ever score from turnovers against GWS, Dogs.

If we play like this we will flog the Hawks next week and then rest with the bye and we would beat the Dogs also.

Much like the Saints the Dogs love running and THROWING (literally) the ball around. Same defensive pressure and style and we will beat them.

To me we played and defended differently and it is that game style I want to see most or all games.

Improve spaces around stoppages and do not handball to players standing still and we will beat everyone.

Even if we dont win any premierships under John I would accept it if we are using a good overall system.



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[J_Moore]

Even if we dont win any premierships under John I would accept it if we are using a good overall system.

I'd say the system that has seen us with a flag, two grand finals, two minor premierships, and 6 straight finals appearances probably has some merit hey.

 

[momentbymoment]

The new Swans mantra is being 'fierce'.
I am 100% in agreement.
I don't want to watch us get beaten up in a final ever again ....

 

[connolly]

I'd say the system that has seen us with a flag, two grand finals, two minor premierships, and 6 straight finals appearances probably has some merit hey.

No one can deny his and the clubs record. The point is that the game is changing and whether Longmire's defensive game plan is going to adapt to that. You have tackled a strawman

 

[BloodySwan]

No one can deny his and the clubs record. The point is that the game is changing and whether Longmire's defensive game plan is going to adapt to that. You have tackled a strawman

How? Arguing that our defensive gameplan is cooked has no grounding in itself. We haven't changed our gameplan in the last 3 rounds and we're back to our winning ways.

 

[J_Moore]

No one can deny his and the clubs record. The point is that the game is changing and whether Longmire's defensive game plan is going to adapt to that. You have tackled a strawman

The game has been changing for years and Longmire has adapted and changed the way we play every season.

The notion that we're a dour defensive side is as much of a strawman as anything else.

We were the 4th highest scoring team in the league last year, despite being easily the best defensive unit.

We struggled to score in the first quarter of the season mostly because the players were playing like shit - not running hard enough and making constant skill areas. Longmire deserves criticism for not being able to effectively address that quickly and turn it around, but the issue wasn't that he told players not to lead forward of the ball.

 

[BloodySwan]

The game has been changing for years and Longmire has adapted and changed the way we play every season.

The notion that we're a dour defensive side is as much of a strawman as anything else.

We were the 4th highest scoring team in the league last year, despite being easily the best defensive unit.

The biggest change we've done this year has been our disposals. Not sure if it's because we no longer have Mitchell but very rarely do we just swing it on our boot and over the shoulder. Our defensive structure is still the same

 

[Tuco]

The new Swans mantra is being 'fierce'.
I am 100% in agreement.
I don't want to watch us get beaten up in a final ever again ....

Being fierce? I like it.

We have a best practice culture based on work ethic. One that gives a rookie on 5 games just as much chance to prove himself to his teammates and coaching staff on and off the field as a vet on 250 games.

But some unsociable tactics found a way to break down our role-focused brand. The idea that keeping your head down and just doing the 7 little things you were supposed to do would translate into Hanners kicking a goal kind of falls apart when he's getting planted on his back and no one is backing him up.

Fascinating listening to Buddy post match when he referred to not looking after each other earlier in the year.

The light bulb has gone off. And we're more unified as a result.

This side would never repeat what happened in 2014.

 

[SwansProudly]

Rare time when John smiles

 

[The King!]

If he fails to win a flag with franklin its a mark against him

 

[YorshireSwan]

If he fails to win a flag with franklin its a mark against him

You can't be serious? That is such a simplistic statement. Surely you understand that there are so many more factors that come into play to win a premiership than simply just having the best player in the league.

Just a quick look at history shows that there are significantly more teams which have not contained the best player in the league and won the premiership against those who have had the best player and have won it.

 

[The King!]

You can't be serious? That is such a simplistic statement. Surely you understand that there are so many more factors that come into play to win a premiership than simply just having the best player in the league.

Just a quick look at history shows that there are significantly more teams which have not contained the best player in the league and won the premiership against those who have had the best player and have won it.

He won a flag and then we spent money on the games best player

As if the media wont be on the whole club and horse if we fail to win a flag with buddy

It will be a bit of a knock against him imo so yeah i am serious

Beyond that the team he has had is too talented not to of won more

Right now he will be the coach who was there around the mark more often than not and snuck one flag

A mark against him is not me saying he is shit i just mean people will say he could of been better

Same as people point out teams like you mentioned who underachieved or players who never won a flag eg buckley plugger

 

[PVF]

Premierships are hard to win. I think people forget it took us 72 years to win another one.

Shit, even making grand finals are hard. At one stage we didn't even play in one for 51 years.