John Meeson

[j_mack]

just wondering what you guys would trade for John Meeson he was a number 8 pick in 2004 draft and collingwood need a ruckman.

 

[Optimax]

just wondering what you guys would trade for John Meeson he was a number 8 pick in 2004 draft and collingwood need a ruck.

Second round pick and if your lucky Lonie, remeber he hasnt cracked the side and may still be a richards (though i doubt it). Will be someone that Collingwood inquires about

 

[j_mack]

Second round pick and if your lucky Lonie, remeber he hasnt cracked the side and may still be a richards (though i doubt it). Will be someone that Collingwood inquires about

crows would want more than that he is rated very highly in Adelaide theres talk of rusling crows need more forwards and collingwood need a ruckman fair trade

 

[Jabso]

Rusling for Meeson and a 3rd round.

 

[ChipDouglas]

crows would want more than that he is rated very highly in Adelaide theres talk of rusling crows need more forwards and collingwood need a ruckman fair trade

Saw him play on abc2 for Norwood and he kicked four but played with a serious lack of intensity. We have a couple of finesse ruckmen and adding another to the mix wouldn't help us much especially one as butter soft as Meesen. He was highly rated but hasn't shown much at all, no deal, he can go to Richmond for free in the preseason draft or the crows can settle for a late second round pick and if they get that they'll be lucky but expecting a first rounder for a player who has been massive disappointment is a pipe dream.

 

[Mark W]

just wondering what you guys would trade for John Meeson he was a number 8 pick in 2004 draft and collingwood need a ruckman.

I have not seen him play, and maybe J Mack you can confirm, but I understand that his strengths are his motor and his around the ground work. He is not a particularly good tap ruckman. If true, it sounds as though it is the last thing we need..another Fraser type.

Rusling for Meeson - I'd be really reluctant...

Rusling for Maric - in a heart beat!

 

[ChipDouglas]

I have not seen him play, and maybe J Mack you can confirm, but I understand that his strengths are his motor and his around the ground work. He is not a particularly good tap ruckman. If true, it sounds as though it is the last thing we need..another Fraser type.

Rusling for Meeson - I'd be really reluctant...

Rusling for Maric - in a heart beat!

A very very poor mans Josh Fraser. Athletic, good around the ground and can go forward and kick a goal. Hopeless at center bounces and throw ins, lacks strength and doesn't play physical. Maric doesn't have his skills but has mongrel and is not afraid to mix it up with players with bigger reputations and he can get his hands on the ball in ruck duels. In short we'll be after a Maric type player to back up Josh.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Meesen's rucking style is more body-on-body than Griffin and Maric who are more your high-leaping Jeff White-style ruckmen. Obviously given he has to build up his body from U18's footy for Geelong Falcons to play that way, hence he's taken a while longer to have an influence. By all reports, that is now happening, plus he can go forward and take marks, kick goals.

Rusling and 3rd round pick to Adelaide
Meesen and 2nd round pick to Collingwood

 

[HFF]

Guys, im sorry but Rusling is a HANDS OFF commodity in any trade involving Meesen. Meesen may have been taken at pick 8 and rated highly at Adelaide but Rusling for his 11 games and injury setbacks has shown some promise.

Why am i the only one who defends Rusling constantly and thinks that he could become anything? He is contracted and will not be traded in any circumstances in exchange for an unknown. If Meesen wants out i do urge the club to look at it and if they believe he is good enough to take a punt on, id be willing to part with a second round pick maximum- nothing more.

 

[ChipDouglas]

I don't agree, Meesen has a leap but no idea about body positioning, Maric is much more of a body player but doesn't have Meesen's leap. Very different types but Maric is clearly their preferred option at this stage.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

I'm happy to defer to you, Chip, because I'm just going off what I've read around the traps. You sound as though you've watched him a few times.

I think Rusling should be considered for a trade, not that I want to lose him by any means. He's talented, no question, but we have Reid, Dawes and Rusling who are forward prospects, whereas we have no ruck prospects at all. We have to be prepared to make some tough calls to address our most glaring deficiency of the last 10+ years.

 

[ChipDouglas]

I'm happy to defer to you, Chip, because I'm just going off what I've read around the traps. You sound as though you've watched him a few times.

I think Rusling should be considered for a trade, not that I want to lose him by any means. He's talented, no question, but we have Reid, Dawes and Rusling who are forward prospects, whereas we have no ruck prospects at all. We have to be prepared to make some tough calls to address our most glaring deficiency of the last 10+ years.

I've seen plenty of Meesen at the under 18 level and twice for Norwood which is a very small sample of the player he is now. The red flag is has has yet to debut and Adelaide it appears are looking to move him. Josh has his limitations but he competes, Meesen has plenty of ability but lacks a competitive edge and we now appear to be after players with potential who produce and not one without the other.

 

[shawthing09]

From all reports attitude and a terrible case of home sickness have been major set backs in Meesens approach. While Rusling has awesome upsides he is a very replaceable player. He will not be a key structurally to the cfc ever as sides structured around undersized leading fowards are far to 1 dimensional. Hence Rusling will be a player that compliments the bigger and more versatile fowards. Any player that is not a key structurally should be talked about in terms of getting a ruck

A change of club back home might be exactly what Meesen needs to show the ability that had him so highly rated and giving up Rusling is worth the risk as we have Dawes Reid Cloke who all have much more to there game Egan Didak even Medhurst can play the role Rusling would play maybe not aswell but thats not as important as a ruck will be to us.

Rusling for Meesen and an exchange of second rounders would be realistic and worth the punt. Mind you they are taking a risk with Rusling in tht he is injury plagued so early in his career

On top of all the Rusling's great ability is his pace and timing of his leads Reed is already taller has great pace and we get him at the end of next season just another reason why losing Rusling is no major loss in terms of our sides structure

 

[didaka]

Bottomline, we need a ruckman, and Meesen may come at a low price. We look past the fact that Hamish McIntosh was a similar story, Selected around the same pick in his draft, and took his time to develop. After 4-5 years of development on the roos list he is now taking all before him.

Meesen has the talent, no doubt, he wants to return home, and the Crows are in a spot of bother as Richmond can take him for free, so the Crows need to take what they can get, and make no mistake the offers will be there.

Rusling is expendable and maybe one of our only players that other sides would rate highly enough to take the punt on. He is definately our best trade bait, and the type of player we can afford to lose. The other player that will draw interest is Egan, but this player needs more time as he was very expensive costing us an early selection, and could be anything if developed the right way.

Lonie is our other trade option, but he is no where near enough to get this deal over the line, as he is renouned for being weak at the pill.

Rusling for Meesen with draft picks involved. That is more than enough compensation for Adelaide, and both clubs win out as both player have been under injury clouds and are both talented players in which the opposing clubs would like to get their hands on.

But we can't stop at Meesen. We must also look at more ruck depth in this years draft.

 

[magpies42]

crows would want more than that he is rated very highly in Adelaide theres talk of rusling crows need more forwards and collingwood need a ruckman fair trade

yeah fair call!

 

[goalpie]

A number 8 pick who hasnt played a game in 3 seasons. That says it all.

 

[j_mack]

I have not seen him play, and maybe J Mack you can confirm, but I understand that his strengths are his motor and his around the ground work. He is not a particularly good tap ruckman. If true, it sounds as though it is the last thing we need..another Fraser type.

Rusling for Meeson - I'd be really reluctant...

Rusling for Maric - in a heart beat!

i think maric has resigned for another 2 years

 

[Lonie_from_50]

I have been more than happy to include Rusling in a trade for Meeson, but I think Rusling has the better value to ensure that something else is included. RS may have hit it on the head...

Rusling and 3rd round for Meeson and 2nd round.

At the moment that would be Rusling and pick 46 for Meeson and pick 26...that is actually a fair difference.

Maybe even Rusling and pick 30 for Meeson and pick 26 is enough.

From the puzzle, Adelaide would love to keep Meeson, but he has a significant audience chasing him as he has potential, has had development time, but is 4th in line behind Hudson, Maric, Griffin and Biglands whose coming back from injury.

What I'd like to know is our chances in getting Jamie Charman...if he is available, we should be targeting him...mid-aged quality ruckman who is very good at centre bounces.

 

[4#Didak#4]

What I'd like to know is our chances in getting Jamie Charman...if he is available, we should be targeting him...mid-aged quality ruckman who is very good at centre bounces.

Next to no chance. If he is available we would need to give a lot up for him & given the Saints, Rich & Carl are all desperate for a ruckman it will mean even more is demanded for him. We don't have many players with trade value & the ones we do have are untouchable.

 

[FIGJAM]

Let's see how Ruz goes in the next few weeks before putting him on the table.

Anyone who could help Josh out would be fairly bloody welcome!

 

[MarkT]

I have not seen him play, and maybe J Mack you can confirm, but I understand that his strengths are his motor and his around the ground work. He is not a particularly good tap ruckman. If true, it sounds as though it is the last thing we need..another Fraser type.

Rusling for Meeson - I'd be really reluctant...

Rusling for Maric - in a heart beat!

I know little of him but if you are accurate then no way in hell would I go anywhere near him. However he sounds like the sort of ruckman MM would go for. As for a Rusling trade, we have to consider all offers. He may be quick but he has actually done bugger all and had numerous shoulder injuries. He also has to contend with Cloke, Reid and Dawes as key forwards.

 

[MarkT]

Let's see how Ruz goes in the next few weeks before putting him on the table.

Anyone who could help Josh out would be fairly bloody welcome!

NO NO NO! Anyone who can help Josh out is a step 180 degrees in the wrong direction. We need someone who Josh can help out.

 

[shawthing09]

Let's see how Ruz goes in the next few weeks before putting him on the table.

Anyone who could help Josh out would be fairly bloody welcome!

That's the point no one doubts his ability, it's actually why we are able to throw him on the table is that we know he will be good. But young fowards are something that we have a lot of Cloke Reid Dawes Didak Thomas. All who offer more then Rusling. Thomas and Didak due to their mobility and ability to run through the middle. Thomas is also a better contested and overhead mark then Rusling but that's another topic for another day. And Reid Dawes and Cloke all have bigger bodies more pack crashing ability and much greater contested marking. So we can afford to get rid of a player that we know will be very good in the foward line where we are strong. To obtain a ruck if the recruiting staff thought he would also be a good player

 

[BEEG]

Rusling is the love boy of all collingwood supporters he cant take pack marks his injury prone and if you have ever wtach him he isnt the flexable he doesnt twist turn very well lets put him on the table and see what we can get because he wont cut it at AFL level lets see if we can get a ruck for him and help josh out because its stufffing josh's career being the number 1 ruckman how good would it be josh pinch hitting in the ruck and playing like a goodes or kotchskie and if Meeson and number 8 pick cant get a game at adleaide he must not be very good adelaide have an ok ruck but if he hasnt been able to break thrue he must be preety average

 

[Did's Dodgy Knee]

Meesen's rucking style is more body-on-body than Griffin and Maric who are more your high-leaping Jeff White-style ruckmen.

I don't agree, Meesen has a leap but no idea about body positioning, Maric is much more of a body player but doesn't have Meesen's leap. Very different types but Maric is clearly their preferred option at this stage.

So which one is he really guys???

Or is Maric the leaper...? Or the body player???


On a more serious note, don't you all remember that no-one wants to do trades with us unless we put a topline player on the table in the first place. Other clubs would rather see us rot in hell than give us what we need to fill in the gaps we have.

Especially since we have had a few good years of recruiting (Thank you Mr. Hine...), we will have to develop our own superstar ruck for the future...