Johncock to miss Darwin

[Stiffy_18]

Johncock to miss Darwin
7:09:09 PM Wed 2 February, 2005
Alan Shiell
Sportal

Adelaide's Graham Johncock has a groin strain and has withdrawn from the Qantas AFL Indigenous All-Stars team to play the Western Bulldogs at Darwin's Marrara Oval on Saturday night.

Johncock pulled up sore after training with the Crows at AAMI Stadium on Monday.

He accompanied the Crows to their AFL Community Camp at Port Augusta on Tuesday but will not be involved at Central Augusta Oval in Friday morning's training session, which was to conclude with a short practice match but that has been scrapped because of a heavy workload and the risk of injury.



Other Adelaide players who are being kept in cotton wool at Port Augusta are Andrew McLeod (ankle), Tyson Edwards (hamstring twinge) and Scott Thompson (shin soreness).

Ben Hart (hamstring) and Jacob Schuback (shoulder) are the only Crows who did not go to Port Augusta. They are continuing their rehabilitation at AAMI Stadium.

Adelaide's players trained at Central Augusta Oval on Wednesday morning before spending the afternoon visiting 14 schools throughout the Port Augusta area - and players and officials were involved with community forums on Wednesday night.

The Crows will have a recovery session at the Port Augusta Community Pool on Thursday morning and then spend the rest of the day visiting schools and hospitals at Whyalla, Port Pirie, Orroroo, Yunta, Booleroo Centre, Melrose and Wirrabra.

Brett Burton and Robert Shirley will make sentimental journeys back to their old schools in Whyalla - Burton to Nicholson Avenue Primary School and Shirley to St Teresa's School.

Adelaide's coaches will oversee a local junior development squad training session at Central Augusta Oval late Thursday.

Phil Harper, Adelaide's general manager of commercial operations, said the club's visit to Port Augusta had been 'a rewarding experience'.

"The people of the northern areas have been thrilled to see all of the players, especially their favourites, Andrew McLeod and Graham Johncock," he said.

"Everyone up here has really rallied around our players. Our strong northern-areas supporters' group has done us proud again.

"We had a very successful mass coaching clinic at Central Augusta Oval on Tuesday afternoon and a great civic-reception dinner at the South Augusta Football Club that night.

"The whole trip has been another very worthwhile exercise - a great initiative by the AFL."

 

[NikkiNoo]

Ahh the joys of the 'gutta'

 

[PAfolwr]

Having an all-star game every two years will not work. It will go the same way as SOO.
Having one every four or so years will make the players hungrier to play in the team, and then might work.
Having said that, from a crowd point of view, it should still be a sellout or close enough to one.

 

[macca23]

Having an all-star game every two years will not work. It will go the same way as SOO.
Having one every four or so years will make the players hungrier to play in the team, and then might work.
Having said that, from a crowd point of view, it should still be a sellout or close enough to one.

A very convenient injury to Johncock, I would have thought.

What's the odds that he trains the house down next week??

You're dead right - just like the SOO games, the concept is going down the drain further each year, with the number of withdrawals increasing to the point that eventually it will be meaningless.

 

[Markthirtytwo]

Strange about Thompson though. Heard an interview with Don Pyke last evening and he said that Thompson was training the house down.
Perhaps that has a different meaning in WA.

 

[Markthirtytwo]

Shirley to St Teresa's School.
Going for a little divine intervention perhaps.

 

[mymansyd]

Shirley to St Teresa's School.
Going for a little divine intervention perhaps.

Yeah, maybe...but my bet is that we're trading him back there.

 

[Mad Dog]

Yeah, maybe...but my bet is that we're trading him back there.

mymansyd.... ....welcome back.......are you out on day release or did parole come up early....

as for your comment...I reckon St Teresa's would be demanding a second round pick in the deal as well !!!

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Johncock to miss Darwin
7:09:09 PM Wed 2 February, 2005
Alan Shiell
Sportal

Ben Hart (hamstring) and Jacob Schuback (shoulder) are the only Crows who did not go to Port Augusta. They are continuing their rehabilitation at AAMI Stadium.

In what is a make or break year for Schuey, he is not getting off to a good start with an injured pre-season. I have serious doubts as to whether he will still be on our list next year, unless he has a big turnaround.

 

[Crowked]

In what is a make or break year for Schuey, he is not getting off to a good start with an injured pre-season. I have serious doubts as to whether he will still be on our list next year, unless he has a big turnaround.

Is Shueys injury the one that finished his 2004 season? If so, there is probably nothing he can do, but follow his rehab program and make an impact when he returns to full fitness. IMO he has shown a bit on occasion and he should be given a fair chance to over come his shoulder problem before axing him. Its not like we dont have others who have shown less to flick and free up list space. I hope he comes good, I've got a bit of time for old Chewbacca.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Is Shueys injury the one that finished his 2004 season? If so, there is probably nothing he can do, but follow his rehab program and make an impact when he returns to full fitness. IMO he has shown a bit on occasion and he should be given a fair chance to over come his shoulder problem before axing him. Its not like we dont have others who have shown less to flick and free up list space. I hope he comes good, I've got a bit of time for old Chewbacca.

Yes its the shoulder reconstruction that ended his season last year. I agree that Schuback has more upside than most and should be given a fair chance not a 5 minute run every 20th game.

 

[Bockchoy67]

Is Shueys injury the one that finished his 2004 season? If so, there is probably nothing he can do, but follow his rehab program and make an impact when he returns to full fitness. IMO he has shown a bit on occasion and he should be given a fair chance to over come his shoulder problem before axing him. Its not like we dont have others who have shown less to flick and free up list space. I hope he comes good, I've got a bit of time for old Chewbacca.

I definitely agree that he deserves a fair chance.

In 2003 in his debut game he kicked a goal and got a few touches, which solid considering how much time he spent on the ground. The next week he was dropped.

In 2004 he played a solid game against Brisbane, returned the following week against Fremantle and played an ordinary game, and was dropped.

He then played a great game against Hawthorn, returned the following week against Carlton and played an ordinary game, and was dropped.

He definitely has been managed poorly. Mattner, Bock, etc have also played ordinary games, but have not been dropped the next week.

 

[johnnypanther]

there should be quite a few in the queue ahead of Schuey (to be delisted i mean)

Schuey is younger and has more potential than most of the others on that queue - i think he just needs an even break with injury plus a consistent opportunity to show his wares

maybe he should go change his name to Skippy or Shirley or Smithy
and last i looked i think he was younger than young Doughty

 

[Stiffy_18]

there should be quite a few in the queue ahead of Schuey (to be delisted i mean)

Schuey is younger and has more potential than most of the others on that queue - i think he just needs an even break with injury plus a consistent opportunity to show his wares

maybe he should go change his name to Skippy or Shirley or Smithy
and last i looked i think he was younger than young Doughty

Wasn't he second youngest player on our list at the start of last year?

Give the kid a break I say

 

[DaveW]

Wasn't he second youngest player on our list at the start of last year?

Give the kid a break I say

That probably says more about our recruiting in 2002 and 2003.

Anyhow, Schuback is older than both Watts and Jericho.

 

[jo172]

Wasn't he second youngest player on our list at the start of last year?

Give the kid a break I say

He looked very dangerous in his first game playing out of a pocket but hasn't done alot since! Let him play FP or Banish thou i say!

 

[Stiffy_18]

That probably says more about our recruiting in 2002 and 2003.

Anyhow, Schuback is older than both Watts and Jericho.

Fair point but still. I mean he is playing this season as a 21 year old so in footy terms he is still a pup.

The kid can play he just needs a fair crack at it. None of this poor managment he was subjected to in the last couple of years.

One of the biggest mysteries to me was his handling this year. The kid comes on and plays a very good game against the Hawks. He spends all but 5 minutes of th enext game against Carlton on the bench. For the VERY limited time he was on the ground he kicked a goal. He gets dropped after that.

I never could understand that

 

[Cap]

I reckon it's easy to see why shuback didnt get a gig

Arysie put faith in his first 18 and always trusted them to do the job - probably didnt think Shuey was up to it - hence why Arysie got the sack and shuey didnt get delisted (or maybe cause he has a contract we'll see the end of this year )

 

[johnnypanther]

That probably says more about our recruiting in 2002 and 2003.

Anyhow, Schuback is older than both Watts and Jericho.

thats fair enough but Schuey has only turned 21 on Nov 28th and my point is that he is younger than Skippy,Shirley,Doughty,Smith, and everyone else that is a candidate for delisting and he at least has more upside - for one he can actually kick a ball to the forwards unlike most of the rest

i'ld like to see how he goes as a tagger - the problem is that we have no reserves side for experiments like this to be given a lengthy trial and the local SAFL clubs wont do that for the AFC

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I like what little I have seen of Schuey too - genuine pace & booming left kick - but IMO, he must show something this year, or risk being delisted.

 

[macca23]

If our best 22 is available, where does Schuback play?? He's not in my best 22.

He's still going to find it hard to get a game, even with the change in coach.

He's basically either a FP or HFF, and a short one at that. Can play HBF, but a tallish flanker would undo him.

He has no track record as a mid-fielder and the good ones are born, not made.

I'm not saying he can't play. Just that he's going to struggle to get opportunities, and after 4 years on the list, that could see him gone at year end.

 

[Stiffy_18]

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He has no track record as a mid-fielder and the good ones are born, not made.
...

At what level are you talking about?????? He has played most of his U18 footy as a midfielder and spend a fair bit of time there in the SANFL

 

[macca23]

At what level are you talking about?????? He has played most of his U18 footy as a midfielder and spend a fair bit of time there in the SANFL

I don't think so Stiffy, but if anyone else knows for sure I'd appreciate it.

My memory of him is that he was a HB flanker who could go forward as well and liked kicking a goal.

My recollection is that he's spent very little time as an on-baller at SANFL A grade level. Again, I'd appreciate other comments from anybody who sees him each week.

There's nothing in his game that reeks of a mid-fielder to me from what I've seen of him. I hope he becomes a star, but I don't think he will.

But let's say you're right and I'm wrong. Which mid-fielder out of Ricciuto, McLeod, Goodwin, Thompson, Edwards, Bode, Burton, Skipworth, Shirley, Mattner, Ladhams, Reilly, Doughty is he going to push out of the side??

And they can't all make it

IMO Van Berlo and Knights both have better futures than Schuback.

 

[jc67]

I don't think so Stiffy, but if anyone else knows for sure I'd appreciate it.

My memory of him is that he was a HB flanker who could go forward as well and liked kicking a goal.

My recollection is that he's spent very little time as an on-baller at SANFL A grade level. Again, I'd appreciate other comments from anybody who sees him each week.

There's nothing in his game that reeks of a mid-fielder to me from what I've seen of him. I hope he becomes a star, but I don't think he will.

But let's say you're right and I'm wrong. Which mid-fielder out of Ricciuto, McLeod, Goodwin, Thompson, Edwards, Bode, Burton, Skipworth, Shirley, Mattner, Ladhams, Reilly, Doughty is he going to push out of the side??

And they can't all make it

IMO Van Berlo and Knights both have better futures than Schuback.

Saw schuey play a few times last year, always on ball or roaming HFF.

 

[Mad Dog]

But let's say you're right and I'm wrong. Which mid-fielder out of Ricciuto, McLeod, Goodwin, Thompson, Edwards, Bode, Burton, Skipworth, Shirley, Mattner, Ladhams, Reilly, Doughty is he going to push out of the side??

And they can't all make it

IMO Van Berlo and Knights both have better futures than Schuback.

spot on Macca.....I would love to see Chewy get good reward for hard work but realistically if all are available - I can't see him making the 22 atm.

You can only play 10 of his type in each 22...thats 2 on the ball, 3 across centre, 2 up forward, 2 down back, and 1 on the bench......your hypothetical list has 13 names in it + Van Berlo + Knights....which illustrates how difficult it will be for Chewy to crack the side. It's great for competition for spots.....but a reality check for those who want to play the entire squad !!!