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pavsbootlace said:
Carn Rip, you think this comment is targetted at all kids of all backgrounds?

"before they put their name in the draft they should think about what is expected of them if they're drafted, because no one forces them to be on an AFL list."
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They is a commonly used pronoun to describe people in the third person.

They could be used to describe people such as Steven Gaertner.
 
Apenesslike said:
Correct, however this is also a method for grouping people in a derogatory context. Unfortunately I have heard it used more in the latter used in racist rants than most.
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Might as well sacrifice the entirety of human language if you're going to be jumpy about basic grammatical constructs.
 
clogged said:
Might as well sacrifice the entirety of human language if you're going to be jumpy about basic grammatical constructs.
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I didn't bring grammar into it. Don't shoot me. I merely understand the argument from both sides and can see the divide.
 

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Stop liking my posts sliced, please! I don't want to have a seat on any side of the fence. Happy to stand in the middle and use the baton on invaders from both sides. That said, on the aboriginal front, I agree with you.
 
Apenesslike said:
Btw that jumpy crack is unwarranted. If we want to get serious about cleaning up these forum squabbles disagree with my post, please don't make judgements about my disposition.
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I never said you were jumpy.
 
Oh well I'd be wasting time if you don't re-read your posts to see alternate possible interpretations to your intentions. I know you don't have any bad intentions, but it can be read differently if there is history of poor relations.
 
PurpleGreenRed said:
I've got a mate who came over here from Scotland and quickly returned missing home. Got home and realised it was a mistake. Done that about 4 times now each way. Totally lost. (When I say lost I don't mean he ended up in Zambia...just that he doesn't know where home is anymore...maybe should never have left<(oh look a relevant point)
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Interesting. To be fair I did say "all that much." I'm sure that it does happen and I know in my travels at times I've certainly been to places that just haven't sat well with me and even forcing an open mind I wasn't able to enjoy because of a cultural clash. It's more a matter of identity though. How does your living in a place affect or question who are as a person. I'm not sure I've had that experience...but I'm sure there are some who have. Grain of salt and all that and it was after all a quick response to a poster who suggested that a player with depression was someone we should look in to for the future, but a player suffering from a number of culturally unique circumstances should HTFU or GTFO. This boards great but if you have to qualify everything in essay format then it's not much fun. Equally I don't post much so I guess you're alright to question my motives.

Not sure if it's something that you want to share on a forum about a mate but can I ask why he's left Australia four times by your reckoning?
 
smokingjacket said:
Interesting. To be fair I did say "all that much." I'm sure that it does happen and I know in my travels at times I've certainly been to places that just haven't sat well with me and even forcing an open mind I wasn't able to enjoy because of a cultural clash.

Not sure if it's something that you want to share on a forum about a mate but can I ask why he's left Australia four times by your reckoning?
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I know I was short in my response....it's all good

Don't know if I can be succinct but I'll try. He struggled with food climate family and friends and sport. Not necessarily in that order.

His mother was in the uk as was his grandmother and his kid being away from them troubled him.

Lack of daylight savings made golf difficult for him...he was an avid golfer and being unable to start rounds at 8pm as he could in summer in Scotland caused issues. He also missed his golf buddies who he had played with since he was nine.

Couldn't easily watch Rangers on telly....no issue for me but he hated it.

And food..struggled to adapt to our diet in Aus...

Missed rain too...

He was a real yoyo.. I had real hard conversations about not looking back but thats all he did
 

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PurpleGreenRed said:
I know I was short in my response....it's all good

Don't know if I can be succinct but I'll try. He struggled with food climate family and friends and sport. Not necessarily in that order.

His mother was in the uk as was his grandmother and his kid being away from them troubled him.

Lack of daylight savings made golf difficult for him...he was an avid golfer and being unable to start rounds at 8pm as he could in summer in Scotland caused issues. He also missed his golf buddies who he had played with since he was nine.

Couldn't easily watch Rangers on telly....no issue for me but he hated it.

And food..struggled to adapt to our diet in Aus...

Missed rain too...

He was a real yoyo.. I had real hard conversations about not looking back but thats all he did
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Yeah, very understandable, especially the bit in purple.

Having come over here and then being whisked out bush at age 12, I understand how even simple language and cultural issues can make even the most apparently mainstream average people disconnect and feel excluded.

It took three years for me to get used to calling my Mom Mum, even longer for me to get used to not hearing Hispanic, Hebrew, Russian, French and Portugese every time I went down to the markets at Freo.

Just learning to adapt to a society where (as a bloke) sport is so heavily emphasised, and glorified, and poetry, dance, classical music and theatre are so sneered at, took ages. Took me many more years to adjust to understand why so many Australians don't see indigenous people as part of our Australia, or why the underprivelged and underclass in Australia cop the bludger tag.

Dislocation and cultural isolation is experienced by many more "average" people than you'd think.




Like when Daisy Thomas tries to pretend he enjoys being a Carltank player...
 
PurpleGreenRed said:
I know I was short in my response....it's all good

Don't know if I can be succinct but I'll try. He struggled with food climate family and friends and sport. Not necessarily in that order.

His mother was in the uk as was his grandmother and his kid being away from them troubled him.

Lack of daylight savings made golf difficult for him...he was an avid golfer and being unable to start rounds at 8pm as he could in summer in Scotland caused issues. He also missed his golf buddies who he had played with since he was nine.

Couldn't easily watch Rangers on telly....no issue for me but he hated it.

And food..struggled to adapt to our diet in Aus...

Missed rain too...

He was a real yoyo.. I had real hard conversations about not looking back but thats all he did
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Fair enough. I appreciate you saying this and I hope I don't insult you by saying this after you've been good enough to post that but I think my point still stands for the most part after a little throat clearing.

The cultural dislocation I'm talking about is more to do with identity and whether being in a different place causes a person to question his identity. I might be very wrong but I'm not sure that your friend, clearly struggling in a new environment, away from friends and his family is in the same situation. I'd probably stick these in with just straight dislocation and I'm sure just about everyone who's lived somewhere else has had feelings of this sort of varying intensity. My point is more that I'm just not sure that someone could struggle as hard with being both Scottish and Australian as someone struggling to reconcile how to be both Yamatji and an AFL Footballer and therefore a member of mainstream white Australian society.

Maybe cultural dislocation was the wrong term but it seemed correct to me. The only one that I would lump in there as being similar would be not being able to watch his football games which is certainly a culturally specific thing that we share and don't.

Saying that, good riddance if he's a Rangers fan.

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BeinPurplenGreen said:
Yeah, very understandable, especially the bit in purple.

Having come over here and then being whisked out bush at age 12, I understand how even simple language and cultural issues can make even the most apparently mainstream average people disconnect and feel excluded.

It took three years for me to get used to calling my Mom Mum, even longer for me to get used to not hearing Hispanic, Hebrew, Russian, French and Portugese every time I went down to the markets at Freo.

Just learning to adapt to a society where (as a bloke) sport is so heavily emphasised, and glorified, and poetry, dance, classical music and theatre are so sneered at, took ages. Took me many more years to adjust to understand why so many Australians don't see indigenous people as part of our Australia, or why the underprivelged and underclass in Australia cop the bludger tag.

Dislocation and cultural isolation is experienced by many more "average" people than you'd think.




Like when Daisy Thomas tries to pretend he enjoys being a Carltank player...
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Poetry, dance, classical music and theatre. Sounds like you were stolen from the royal palace. Are you a royal twin? When can we take you back to claim your throne?
 
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smokingjacket said:
Fair enough. I appreciate you saying this and I hope I don't insult you by saying this after you've been good enough to post that but I think my point still stands for the most part after a little throat clearing.

The cultural dislocation I'm talking about is more to do with identity and whether being in a different place causes a person to question his identity. I might be very wrong but I'm not sure that your friend, clearly struggling in a new environment, away from friends and his family is in the same situation. I'd probably stick these in with just straight dislocation and I'm sure just about everyone who's lived somewhere else has had feelings of this sort of varying intensity. My point is more that I'm just not sure that someone could struggle as hard with being both Scottish and Australian as someone struggling to reconcile how to be both Yamatji and an AFL Footballer and therefore a member of mainstream white Australian society.

Maybe cultural dislocation was the wrong term but it seemed correct to me. The only one that I would lump in there as being similar would be not being able to watch his football games which is certainly a culturally specific thing that we share and don't.

Saying that, good riddance if he's a Rangers fan.

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I think anything that gives you that internal gnawing to be somewhere else can't be judged. Some Scots wander and settle...history is full of them but if I were to wander into my local next week in Scotland someone would say..I haven't seen you for a while. Some never move more than 50 miles from their on doorstep. In their lives.

I haven't been back for 12 years.

To be serious cultural identity is unique to the indivdual as anything else. I'm not trying compare but say culture is language song and behaviour amongst other things. He missed these.
 
BeinPurplenGreen said:
or why the underprivelged and underclass in Australia cop the bludger tag.
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Really don't won't to derail this thread but I just have to say that it's really only been recent governments taking cues from the U.S. that have begun to throw the working class and poor under the bus.

For a long time Australian politics was quite bipartisan on universal state education, welfare and a fair living wage.
 
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