Judd or Murphy for 2012 only

[Juddernaut08]

Chris Judd has undoubtedly been the greater player by far over his career when compared to Murphy.

Yet Murphy finished 2011 in much better form, and for the last 8 games was easily our best player by a fair margin.

Overall Judd still had an outstanding year playing some ridiculously good games and going into the Brownlow as favorite.

For 2012, who do you perceive to be the better player? Who will be Carlton's No.1 mid? Who do you send your no.1 tagger to?

Judd or Murphy.

 

[donbooger]

Still tag Judd, even after his month of poor form at the end of 2011 coaches were still correctly sending him the best tagger.

You just know as soon as you leave him alone he is going beast mode and you are going to lose.

 

[spudmaster]

Still tag Judd, even after his month of poor form at the end of 2011 coaches were still correctly sending him the best tagger.

You just know as soon as you leave him alone he is going beast mode and you are going to lose.

Yeah have to agree with this. What is probably helping to bridge the gap between the two is also the fact Judd will always cop the #1 tag so he's being restricted more than Murph - if you threw a Ling on Murphy and Judd only had someone going head to head with him, well the opposition would learn fairly quickly what needed to change.

Murphy I see as a highly consistent player who will only keep getting better, but Judd, much like Ablett+Franklin, has the ability to turn the game and win it off his own boot if he gets on a roll.

To even be asking this question is testament to the quality player that Murphy has become.

 

[a_shot_on_ehlo]

Murphy.

Although I expect Judd to bounce back from his average end to 2011, Murphy was Ablett like at times during 2011, his speed, agility and strength at contested situations is awesome and I think he was our most important player last year.

 

[HyperAgressiveDonk]

I dunno.

 

[eth-dog]

In an Essendon vs Carlton game I would send Hocking to Murphy and hope Watson (somewhat) cancels out Judd in terms of output with clearances etc. Will be interesting to see what happens

 

[juss]

For 2012 only, Judd.
Murphy is however a year or two away from his peak, and sooner or later Judd will start to slowly decline as he nears 30. So for 2013, Murphy.

As for who you tag, I think it would be Murphy.

Judd has proven over a decade that tagging him simply doesn't work, regardless of the tag he's still going to get 25+ touches. Now don't get me wrong, you don't let him run free, you give him an opponent and instruct them to put defensive pressure on, but it's not necessarily a tagging role. You concede the 25 or so touches to him either way, and you try and hurt him the other way.

Murphy can break a tag too, we've seen him do it, but I'm not sure that he's done it long enough for us to categorically say he's untaggable. Being younger, he doesn't have the experience or say even the mental toughness of a Judd and while the tag isn't going to completely nullify him, you might be able to curb him more than you could Judd.

 

[Paranoid]

Murphy he hurts you on the scoreboard as well as gathering the 30 touches a game.

Judd has never been a goal scorer and so far, Murphy has kicked over 100 goals as midfielder for Christ sake ....he's an absolute gun and only getting better.

Compared to Judd who kicked 138 goals in his first 6 seasons (34 more than Murphy).

 

[Ed D]

Judd, and quite easily. I'm sure if Murphy received the attention Judd did and vice versa then Judd would be superior. As it stands they appear pretty level, but IMO that's because Judd is the first player to stop with opposition sides.

 

[a_fighting_fury]

Judd, and quite easily. I'm sure if Murphy received the attention Judd did and vice versa then Judd would be superior. As it stands they appear pretty level, but IMO that's because Judd is the first player to stop with opposition sides.

THIS. The idea that Murphy would get the number one tagger over Judd is at this point in time questionable.

 

[Gone Critical]

Always thought Murphy was a great player but its unlikely he will be the superstar Judd is. As usual questions like this get asked as a knee jerk response to a player having a breakout. Its not always sustained

Judd has been operating at the elite seasons for many years. Don't ignore that or it will bite you on the bum

 

[FRUMPY]

Murphy, gets the same amount of possies as Judd but uses it better and hurts you on the scoreboard. Judd is better in close but still doenst use it as well. Murphy hurts with his running and disposal.

Luckily for us we dont have to choose, lets just hope Gibbs steps it up another level in the midfield this year and closes the gap between him and murphy.

 

[Paranoid]

to add on that Paranoid, do you think Murphy will start to kick less goals or more goals as his career develops considering he started out slower than Judd?

Because Judd has definitely drifted off that 29 goals he was kicking in his 1st, 2nd and 3rd year.

(typical Collingwood flogs)

"Judd has never been a goal scorer"

Calm down, I was just correcting your misinformed statement.

 

[hoddo22]

Tag Judd. Lewis and S.Selwood have shown that it is possible.
I think Murphy is harder to tag with his elusiveness and super hard running. Not saying Judd is a slow old fogey just yet. It's a tough one for other coaches because it's no longer a case of stop Judd- stop Carlton. That showed in the elimination final. Judd was well held by Hocking but Murphy ran riot.

 

[T2B_]

You just know as soon as you leave him alone he is going beast mode and you are going to lose.

Ha, I love this line.

When tossing them up in my head trying to work out exactly where one pips the other, the above quote made me realise.

Murph is consistent and can hurt you...but Judd has "Beast Mode"

So for now, Judd.

 

[Silvagnis]

Because Judd has definitely drifted off that 29 goals he was kicking in his 1st, 2nd and 3rd year.

(typical Collingwood flogs)

Both have drifted away from the thirty goal mark as mids. They're playing more inside than they used to. Ablett kicked fewer goals last year because GC needed him inside the square. Judd and Ablett could play more outside due to WC and Geelong having stronger midfields.

Murphy he hurts you on the scoreboard as well as gathering the 30 touches a game.

Judd has never been a goal scorer and so far, Murphy has kicked over 100 goals as midfielder for Christ sake ....he's an absolute gun and only getting better.

The way Judd kicked his goals last year was superior to Murphy's efforts. Watch them all on the game analyser and you will see the difference between the two players. Judd's a longer kick and a better snap on his wrong foot than Murphy. Murphy's improved his in and under work, but it's still not at Judd's level. The number five is as strong as an Ox. It's almost impossible to bump Judd off the ball once he has momentum up.

 

[OurBoyJosh]

Great question. All I can say as an opposition supporter, if we went into the game and didn't tag Judd, I would be VERY nervous. So, as below...

Murph is consistent and can hurt you...but Judd has "Beast Mode"

Judd

 

[Hodgepodge]

Both have drifted away from the thirty goal mark as mids. They're playing more inside than they used to. Ablett kicked fewer goals last year because GC needed him inside the square.

Ablett played more midfield than normal last year, this has nothing to do with his contested possession rate.

Judd's contested possession rate is much the same as it was at West Coast. This idea that he only developed an inside game at the Blues is a myth propogated by a Melbourne-centric media pandering to Carlton fanbois.

Murphy in 2012. He's the more consistent and damaging player, and better both against Top 8 teams and in finals.

 

[TheWoodenSlug]

Would take Judd for 2012. Murphy is closing the gap quickly though and may even overtake him by this time next year.