Jumper Clashes

[dmc333]

Much of the problem, is the buffoons who design the jumpers.

Something basic is never enough, it has to be this colour fading into that colour with half a logo somewhere.

For the life of me I don't understand the cretin who put together Hawthrorn's jumper. I can accept the Hawk head, but god knows why you'd make the back of the jumper Brown.

And whoever did Port's needs their hair set on fire.

Freo and Carlton have got it right. And if St.Kilda fixed up that ridiculous faded logo, theirs would be fine also.

 

[dmc333]

The Collingwood Football Club is the only club with 2 sensible and successful clash jumpers.

We wear Black and White with black socks, shorts as our home strip.

And for 2 games a year (Geelong and Nth), we wear our away strip with white shorts ans socks. Most other away games just White and Black Jumper.

We have not gone to the ridiculous extremes that clubs like Carlton, Hawthorn and Brisbane have, yet we have 2 distinctively different jumpers which with the right shorts/socks combo create no clashes at all.

People laughed at eddie when he said we had 2 jumpers, one black and white, and one white and black, but he was being serious and was correct.

You're close, but Collingwood really need to shave more black off their away strips. There's no point jumping up and down like fools when Collingwood could solve their problem and shut everyone up but making their black stripes about an inch wide.

Oh and if it was Collingwood's home game, Carlton should have been in white.

 

[trossa]

Carlton's clash jersey is just the colors inverted right?

 

[dmc333]

Carlton's clash jersey is just the colors inverted right?

You don't have white panels down the side of your regular jumper. But essentially it's inverted.

 

[mcgarnacle]

Much of the problem, is the buffoons who design the jumpers.

Something basic is never enough, it has to be this colour fading into that colour with half a logo somewhere.

For the life of me I don't understand the cretin who put together Hawthrorn's jumper. I can accept the Hawk head, but god knows why you'd make the back of the jumper Brown.

And whoever did Port's needs their hair set on fire.

Freo and Carlton have got it right. And if St.Kilda fixed up that ridiculous faded logo, theirs would be fine also.

yep, but its not just that. the move in the modern era by clubs with striped guernseys to blot out the entire top half on the back of the guernsey for a number, rather integrate the number into the jumper, also causes problems as some of these clubs then look similar to others. and then st kildas move to black out the entire back of their guernsey so its significantly different to the front is another that causes issues. to all the young folk, the back of their guernsey once was similar to the front. most other sports in the world prevent all these things from happening. article 6 of the document i linked earlier in this thread is an example of the fifa ruling. The hawthorn alternate is probably the worst offender at the moment in terms of contrast on the one guernsey. pathetic. problem is, the AFL dont have rules against this. in the end,its their fault.

 

[Palmer Stoat]

This is what we've come to? Seriously? Whinging about the 'clash' between Collingwood's home strip and Carlton's home strip?

There. Is. No. Clash. Between. Collingwood. And. Carlton.

And if you think there is, you've got bigger ____ing problems than watching footy.

 

[Mr Lizard]

This is what we've come to? Seriously? Whinging about the 'clash' between Collingwood's home strip and Carlton's home strip?

There. Is. No. Clash. Between. Collingwood. And. Carlton.

And if you think there is, you've got bigger ____ing problems than watching footy.

There. Is. A. Clash.

 

[Palmer Stoat]

There. Is. A. Clash.

They're the ones in the blue. We're the ones in the black and white. Geddit?

I can tell the difference from the nosebleeds in the fricking Ponsford stand. If you can't, get your eyes tested immediately.

 

[krisholio14]

There. Is. A. Clash.

Heaven forbid Collingwood would want to wear a jumper they've worn over 100 seasons to avoid a clash.

 

[InCase]

You're close, but Collingwood really need to shave more black off their away strips. There's no point jumping up and down like fools when Collingwood could solve their problem and shut everyone up but making their black stripes about an inch wide.

Oh and if it was Collingwood's home game, Carlton should have been in white.

I don't think there's a need for skinnier stripes. Just keep it an exact reverse of the home jumper, meaning, get rid of the two black stripes down the side.

 

[D_One]

Collingwood's home strip (predominately black top with black shorts) and their away strip (predominately white top with white shorts) are good examples of what other clubs should do.

The problems often occur when the home team wears a predominately white guernsey with dark shorts (as North and Geelong often do). Making it hard for the away team to come up with a clash jumper.

 

[pharro]

The Collingwood Football Club is the only club with 2 sensible and successful clash jumpers.

We wear Black and White with black socks, shorts as our home strip.

And for 2 games a year (Geelong and Nth), we wear our away strip with white shorts ans socks. Most other away games just White and Black Jumper.

We have not gone to the ridiculous extremes that clubs like Carlton, Hawthorn and Brisbane have, yet we have 2 distinctively different jumpers which with the right shorts/socks combo create no clashes at all.

People laughed at eddie when he said we had 2 jumpers, one black and white, and one white and black, but he was being serious and was correct.

So you'd be cool with North having the same combinations? ... Blue and white or white and blue?

 

[mcgarnacle]

There. Is. No. Clash. Between. Collingwood. And. Carlton.

And if you think there is, you've got bigger ____ing problems than watching footy.

people can tell the difference between the carlton and collingwood guernseys.............. show me a photo of one then one of the other, hang 'em both em side by side, get a couple of people to wear each one...........in each instance, i will be able to tell you which is which. and most fans who are arguing for the situation to be remedied will also tell you same. this is same with just about any informed supporter following any sporting league in the world.

however, there are similarities. in the case of carlton and collingwood, one is navy blue and the other (since 2001) is predominately black. these colours are technicaly different, i will not argue this. but they are also similar, so much so that when 36 players are playing a match wearing similar predominant colours, and when a pack of up to 20 these players in similar predominant colours are hovering near the play, moving in different directions........away from the ball, toward the ball, in a pack to use the ball or tackle the ball carrier, they virtually look the same.

this is not limited to just matches involving carlton and collingwood......there are others in the AFL.

now i could say that collingwood have caused this clash in recent years due to adopting a predominantly black guernsey since just after the turn of the millenium..............just like some supporters are saying melbourne have caused clashes by reverting back to a predominantly navy blue guernsey in the late 80s after being royal blue for nearly 2 decades, or west coast adopting a predominantly navy blue home strip since 1995. but i dont subscibe to this theory. a club should be allowed to register any primary guernsey/strip it wants with the league and use it in their primary home (or away) uniform if it is within the rules of the league.

and herein lies the problem.

a major cause of this is the different designs and/or colours and contrasts of the front and back of most individual clubs primary guernseys..............in 2008 there is adelaide, collingwood, fremantle, geelong, hawthorn, melbourne, north, port, st.kilda, sydney, and west coast. and its permitted by the afl. and its rules on number sizing and font actually demand it these days.

there are also terrible designs of mascots and/or logos, or assymmetry on some guernseys which clutter some of these and many alternate guernseys too.

furthermore, in the afl, clubs match day playing strips are viewed mainly as a guernsey, and the shorts and socks are generally of lesser importance. this is due to the VFL/AFL requiring clubs to adopt black/coloured or white shorts depending on the clubs designation as either the home or away match day team since 1924. individual match day playing kits are not viewed as complete uniforms, but rather, the guernsey and then whatever is required by the league administration on gameday.

the issue of the DIFFERENTIATION of playing uniforms of match-day clubs may not seem as important in the AFL as in sports such as soccer, rugby, american football etc, where the regulation of the offside rules (as an example) are so important within the course of their matches. but australian rules is a 3-dimensional game where its participants are in all parts of the field and heading into many different directions without rule limitations which may make it confusing to the spectator......particularly neutral and new spectators......this may be more pronounced on television where the viewer does not have the ability to see a panoramic view of the play, but rather needs to evaluate whats going once the ball is in a certain section of the arena.

players have also voiced their concerns on the issue.

furthermore, uniforms in the AFL have less surface area than other sports. limbs are exposed, even more so as many players choose a socks down style making this attire of uniform ineffective for the purpose of differentiation in many cases. players skin colours are similar on all afl teams.

the league may have their rules on afl-sponsor-aparrel maker logos placement and sizes on the strip, as well as number sizes and font on the back of all guernseys which must be uniform amongst all 16 clubs in the competition. but the entire match-day playing uniform situation in regards to colours and designs in an absloute mess due to the reasons above.

effective rules which are equally fair to all 16 clubs (then equally fair to all 18 clubs when the day arrives) and in all match conditions must be implemented and enforced strictly by the AFL to remedy the pathetic re-occurences of similarites and clutter in regards to match day playing strips in the most professional sporting competition in the land. after all,the ultimate objective of these is for players, officials, spectators and the millions of television audiences to be able to easily and effectively DIFFERENTIATE between the match day teams.

 

[Mr Lizard]

to be able to easily and effectively DIFFERENTIATE

What. He. Said.

 

[Subprime]

So you'd be cool with North having the same combinations? ... Blue and white or white and blue?

On one of these threads, I've lost track which, a North supporter put up a picture of a North inverted jumper ie royal blue background with white stripes along with blue shorts.

The idea being to wear as a home jumper in games against Collingwood and Geelong (and Freo/Swans too if you wanted to). Away team then wears predominantly white jumper with white shorts and one of the teams wears hooped socks.

Simple. Traditional. But slightly different to please the viewer.

 

[parano1a]

So you'd be cool with North having the same combinations? ... Blue and white or white and blue?

As long as the shorts colours used matched the predominant guernsey colour, this should pose no problems.

 

[mcgarnacle]

On one of these threads, I've lost track which, a North supporter put up a picture of a North inverted jumper ie royal blue background with white stripes along with blue shorts.

The idea being to wear as a home jumper in games against Collingwood and Geelong (and Freo/Swans too if you wanted to). Away team then wears predominantly white jumper with white shorts and one of the teams wears hooped socks.

Simple. Traditional. But slightly different to please the viewer.

some supporters of opposition clubs need stop to think that perhaps other clubs dont want to bastardise their main guernsey by amending it. its not the same.

it appears that consensus on this topic will never be achieved as its an issue where peoples thinking simply goes as far as how it will affect my club.

 

[InCase]

On one of these threads, I've lost track which, a North supporter put up a picture of a North inverted jumper ie royal blue background with white stripes along with blue shorts.

The idea being to wear as a home jumper in games against Collingwood and Geelong (and Freo/Swans too if you wanted to). Away team then wears predominantly white jumper with white shorts and one of the teams wears hooped socks.

Simple. Traditional. But slightly different to please the viewer.

No point. North should not have to wear a new guernsey to suit your team when it is their home game.

We need a light vs dark rule, north is home so they choose what they want (light) meaning they must wear light shorts, the away team must then compromise to have a dark set. So in the case of the magpies they just wear their all black set. Geelong on the other hand would have to wear their all dark clash set instead of their home set.

 

[Subprime]

No point. North should not have to wear a new guernsey to suit your team when it is their home game.

We need a light vs dark rule, north is home so they choose what they want (light) meaning they must wear light shorts, the away team must then compromise to have a dark set. So in the case of the magpies they just wear their all black set. Geelong on the other hand would have to wear their all dark clash set instead of their home set.

I'd be happy with the light v dark rule. I was commenting on an alternative jumper design posted by a North supporter.

The thing is if you look at a Collingwood jumper from 110 years ago the black and white stripes are approximately the same width and in the early days they had no numbers (or number panels), so there was no white or black background as such.

I imagine North's early design was similar ie equal amounts of blue and white. So in all these cases its not a matter of North wearing a new jumper to 'suit" my team, its a matter of adapting their traditional design with an eye to avoiding clashes.

 

[D_One]

The solution is simple.

If North are the home team and want to wear a predominantly white guernsey then the AFL should make them wear white shorts. That way Collingwood can wear their predominantly black guernsey with black shorts. No clash.

Alternatively if North want to wear a predominantly blue guernsey then the AFL should make them wear blue shorts. Then Collingwood can wear their predominantly white (1990 premiership) guernsey with white shorts. No clash.

The same applies to Geelong.