Just To Clear Things Up

[_RT_]

Seems a few posters here believe I was being too negative in regards to the posts I made in the Devils Advocate thread. Now seeing as Peejay has locked the thread without me having the chance to reply to the last post I thought I would take this chance to make a few things clear.

I can see that the team has improved from where they were last year. It doesn't mean that I can't be critical of the team when I feel they deserve criticism. The game against the Bombers is a game that I feel they deserve to be criticised and here are the reasons why.

Firstly, like most of us I expected us to win the game and heading to the MCG before the game I would have gladly taken a 6 goal win. However, I wasn't to know that they would be leading the game by near on 9 goals at 1/2 time. Hence my expectation for the game changed as I'm sure Wallace's expectations changed as well. Instead of just winning, I'm sure he hoped to have a very good win and would be disappointed that they let the chance slip. Which would explain why he had the side locked away from a good 20-30 minuted after the game.

That leads me to my second point, after watching the side play rather average football in the first half and still lead quite comfortably, I expected them to come out in the second half and play better footy and bury the Bombers. Now some of you might think this is unrealistic, but after seeing the football they had played over the last 5 weeks I didn't believe it was beyond them.

Unfortunately, it wasn't to be and instead I watched the side revert back to the old Richmond way of being in a dominant position and then thinking the job was done and end up winning by a lot less than what they should have.

This was what I was most disappointed with from the weekend because for this club to take the next step they need to be able to put sides away when given the chance, otherwise we end up with games like the Dogs and Saints where we were in winning positions but failed to get the points and end up with yet another honourable loss (which I'm getting sick of).

So hopefully next time they are in that position, be it next week, next month or next year, they will actually go on with the job and take that next step in their development.

So I hope that actually clears up a few things for some of you in regards to where I stand. Yes I can see they are getting better, but they still could be doing better.

 

[emperor]

We're with ya RT (well I am), encouragement is good but mollycoddling is not.

Plenty of areas of Saturday's performance that need a lot of fine tuning, but for me an easy win against the Bombers is very sweet. Was disappointing not to thrash them by 15 goals as it could have been done.

 

[Madtiger2006]

yeah whatever

 

[phammo]

I totally agree with you RT. We need to be able to put a side like Essendon away and bury them. There's an enormous amount of improvement to be made for us to be a good side, but after our last month, it was good to get the win.

As members, we should be able to criticise our team when warranted. There's nothing noble in accepting mediocrity. We should be aiming as high as possible and not accepting anything less. To do so, would send the wrong message to the club.

 

[Tazzytiger]

Funny , but I was disappointed as well. It's been a long time since we really put a side away. I really thought we could bury essendon. We
need to do this to have the confidence to take on the big boys.

 

[tigers_of_old_08]

Shoulda buried them, Coulda buried them! We didnt though. Oh well, no injuries and ready to take on the Swans on Sunday.

Go Tigers

 

[JSFish]

Exactly. Shoulda, coulda, didn't. But here's the thing. We're not going to do what we shoulda and coulda done yet, because we are not a great side. We are an 11thish side, nothing special but nothing horrible, and each year we will get better. No one thinks we are going to win the flag this year because we beat Essendon by 6 goals, but to expect we are going to play consistent four quarter footy is a bit unrealistic this year.

 

[_RT_]

Exactly. Shoulda, coulda, didn't. But here's the thing. We're not going to do what we shoulda and coulda done yet, because we are not a great side. We are an 11thish side, nothing special but nothing horrible, and each year we will get better. No one thinks we are going to win the flag this year because we beat Essendon by 6 goals, but to expect we are going to play consistent four quarter footy is a bit unrealistic this year.

Why couldn't we belt the Bombers on the weekend? We managed to belt the Dockers in Perth. So I don't see why we couldn't have done the same thing this week.

That is the thing a lot of people seem to be overlooking simply because we got the 4 points after weeks of close but no cigar. I've asked this question a couple of times so far and am yet to get an answer, so I'll ask it again:

Who is happy that Richmond managed to turn a 9 goal lead near half time into a 6 goal win?

As I said earlier I would have taken a 6 goal win before the bounce on the weekend, but when we have a 9 goal lead at half time against one of the poorer sides in the competition, then developing side or not, I expect that we should be able to go on a bury them.

 

[nut]

Why couldn't we belt the Bombers on the weekend? We managed to belt the Dockers in Perth. So I don't see why we couldn't have done the same thing this week.

That is the thing a lot of people seem to be overlooking simply because we got the 4 points after weeks of close but no cigar. I've asked this question a couple of times so far and am yet to get an answer, so I'll ask it again:

Who is happy that Richmond managed to turn a 9 goal lead near half time into a 6 goal win?

As I said earlier I would have taken a 6 goal win before the bounce on the weekend, but when we have a 9 goal lead at half time against one of the poorer sides in the competition, then developing side or not, I expect that we should be able to go on a bury them.

a win is a win is a win....... we won. I dont care how we win as long as we win.

If you reversed the two halves we would be singing the teams praises for coming back and turning 3 goal half time loss into a 6 goal win.

At the end of the day we won. I thought it was a danger game and I'm happy with the win.

There is certainly some bad signs from the game though.

 

[JSFish]

Why couldn't we belt the Bombers on the weekend? We managed to belt the Dockers in Perth. So I don't see why we couldn't have done the same thing this week.

That is the thing a lot of people seem to be overlooking simply because we got the 4 points after weeks of close but no cigar. I've asked this question a couple of times so far and am yet to get an answer, so I'll ask it again:

Who is happy that Richmond managed to turn a 9 goal lead near half time into a 6 goal win?

As I said earlier I would have taken a 6 goal win before the bounce on the weekend, but when we have a 9 goal lead at half time against one of the poorer sides in the competition, then developing side or not, I expect that we should be able to go on a bury them.

You proved my point further with the start of this post. We belted Freo, yes, but we are not a good side yet, so we can't be expected to do this every week.
I'm not happy that we turned a 9 goal lead into a 6 goal win, but I'm happy that we got the four points. I know exactly where you're coming from, but if you change your expectations constantly and those expectations are only changing to create a situation in your mind where Richmond needs to do more, we are not going to meet them very often (I know that sentence probably didn't make a lot of sense but try to figure it out). Why don't you dwell on the fact that you're expectations may have changed again by 3/4 time to a situation where you would be happy with any win, and we ran out 6 and a half goal win? You seem to be just focussing on the negatives, when there are a lot more positives that you could pull out.

 

[NQTIGER]

Your being negative RT maybe its all the years of dissapointment, but 4 points are on the board if you get enough of them you play finals.

a win by a few pinys gets you 4, a win by 90 also gets u 4

get over it we won

 

[IDGAF]

a win is a win is a win....... we won. I dont care how we win as long as we win.

If you reversed the two halves we would be singing the teams praises for coming back and turning 3 goal half time loss into a 6 goal win.

At the end of the day we won. I thought it was a danger game and I'm happy with the win.

There is certainly some bad signs from the game though.

Agree with that mostly ... but talk about what bad signs ..

We played half a game of footy and still won by six goals ...

LMAO @ all the tools who want to anylise the schit out of it and pick the bones out of it ...

It`s so simple its not funny .... YOUNG SIDES STRUGGLE WITH CONSISTENCY AND RUNNING OUT FOUR QUARTERS

Engrave it on your friggin foreheads .

Yes ... we still have a lot of work to do ... i don`t think there would be one person involved at Punt rd. who does not know that ... i am 100% sure that Terry Wallace would be reminding all the players of it every day ....

But the foundations are there and are getting stronger .

We won a game when we had favouritism ... how do we traditionally go when that is the case ? ... and i`ll re-iterate ... "by playing half a game of footy"

Massive upside ... we did not eek out a win against a bottom side by firing all out shots .... we played well and trounced them for barely two quarters then coughed and sputtered .

How we gonna go when we iron out our deficiencies ???? ... How we gonna go when we get 40 -50 more game into our young guns ? ... how we gonna go when we get more depth and wipe the few remaining spuds of our list , thus raising the bar ???? ..

FFS ... grab a can and relax you pedantic fools and just enjoy us being competitive , for itis clearly building up to something else ... go to bed tonight and all have wet dreams over Trent Cotchin

 

[BloodOfaTiger27]

i agree with RT but its true a win is a win, and we dont get many of them these says...yes we can go into the arguement of percentage and what not, but lets just focus on winning the games first then learning to belt sides, be patient it will all come in time we have cotchin, lids, foley, coughlan potentially going to be the best midfield in the comp we may even win a premiership within the next 3-5 seasons

 

[JSFish]

Somehow I don't think percentage is too much of a problem right now. 3 wins, 5 losses yet over 100%, plus we have a draw anyway.

 

[mhill]

Why couldn't we belt the Bombers on the weekend? We managed to belt the Dockers in Perth. So I don't see why we couldn't have done the same thing this week.

That is the thing a lot of people seem to be overlooking simply because we got the 4 points after weeks of close but no cigar. I've asked this question a couple of times so far and am yet to get an answer, so I'll ask it again:

Who is happy that Richmond managed to turn a 9 goal lead near half time into a 6 goal win?

As I said earlier I would have taken a 6 goal win before the bounce on the weekend, but when we have a 9 goal lead at half time against one of the poorer sides in the competition, then developing side or not, I expect that we should be able to go on a bury them.

You need to take a look at your name.

REALISTIC TIGER.

What happened against the Dockers was a freak of nature.

We are not that good - yet.

The Bombers were not ever going to play like they did in the second half - we were very lucky that they played so badly in the 1st half.

It was an okay win. We are an okay side. We are developing into a very good tackling side. Our disposal is still terrible.

Being okay is is much better than god awful crap shit ars liquid. This was our lot last year.

Be REALISTIC, realistic tiger.

PS, You are normally a pretty realistic poster.

 

[waiting since 80]

I thought the opposite to your assement of saturdays game, sure it would of been nice to win by 100 points or more, though what did you expect Essendon to do? just lay there and cop it ?.... No they had a mini fight back and got close but were always going to lose the game after giving us a good start! I remember plenty of times that weve been in Essendon's position and fought back {To get within 15/20 points}only to use up all of our energy playing catch up footy, and then the side were playing kick a couple goals and the margin is beyond reach again! It was a game we were ment too win and WE WON!


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The screen door slams... mary's dress sways...

 

[deliberate!!]

Herald Sun (Monday 26th May) Opening Paragraph

"Richmond forward Nathan Brown says the Tigers must start winning against teams in the top eight if they are to prove they are turning the corner".

Realistic Tiger, no need to appease the masses here.
If even Browny thinks the RFC have done nothing and proved nothing yet, let the fools here think we have progressed.

Never explain yourself to idiots. I understand your sentiments, but your evaluation, my evaluation, AND Browny's evaluation is spot on.

Cheers

 

[JSFish]

Well we may as well just lose against the bottom 8 sides then shall we?

 

[deliberate!!]

Well we may as well just lose against the bottom 8 sides then shall we?

Ask Browny.
ZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

 

[Jisha]

Never explain yourself to idiots.

Thats why I do not respond to you very much deliberate .


To be honest I expected the bombers to come out in the second half with a bit more grunt to them. They were getting thumped by 9 goals, on a big night at half time. I am not disappointed at all that we lost 3 goals from our lead, I am just glad they did not lose the game (in the third quarter I was quietly shitting myself).

Cheer up RT, We do have a lot of work to do to be able to compete with the big guns of the competition, but as it has been said many times in this thread, a win is a win, we got to sing our song, walk out of the MCG happy with another 4 points on the board and do not forget the fact that it was Essendon that we beat. A win against Essendon to me is as good as a win against Collingwood.

 

[_RT_]

You need to take a look at your name.

REALISTIC TIGER.

What happened against the Dockers was a freak of nature.

We are not that good - yet.

The Bombers were not ever going to play like they did in the second half - we were very lucky that they played so badly in the 1st half.

It was an okay win. We are an okay side. We are developing into a very good tackling side. Our disposal is still terrible.

Being okay is is much better than god awful crap shit ars liquid. This was our lot last year.

Be REALISTIC, realistic tiger.

PS, You are normally a pretty realistic poster.

All I hear from people (posters on this board included) is Richmond are getting better, are on the way up and so on.

However, now that I apply a bit of heat to the side after a poor performance I get people using the excuses, they're still developing and give them a break they shouldn't be expected to play 4 quarters of footy every week.

Sorry but thats bullshit. Essendon had lost their previous 3 games by 10+ goals each, if Richmond truly are a side on the up and getting better then 10 goals should have been the minimum after being 9 goals up before half time. That is why I said that Saturday night was not good enough.

No wonder people are getting confused with what I'm saying, which is, yes Richmond have improved, but Saturday night, in isolation, was just not good enough and I have every right after the previous 5 weeks to have expected them to do much better than they did.

Let me ask everyone this:
If Richmond had of ended up losing on Saturday night after leading by 9 goals what would everyone be saying?

 

[nut]

Let me ask everyone this:
If Richmond had of ended up losing on Saturday night after leading by 9 goals what would everyone be saying?

This is ridiculous.

WE WON..... .

As mentioned earlier we are a young, talented side, but for 1 out of 4 quarters we were beaten. We are developing. Let the team develop, infact enjoy watching them develop. There is going be times that we get frustrated, there is times when we will lose games we should win, heck it's happening now.

If you react like this when we WIN how are you going to react when we actually play finals and loose? Geelong lost a few Prelims before they chalked up a flag.

Everyone that is picked to play have earned a spot on the ground..... it's a long time since you can say that. We have progressed a LONG LONG way.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Unfortunately, it wasn't to be and instead I watched the side revert back to the old Richmond way of being in a dominant position and then thinking the job was done and end up winning by a lot less than what they should have.

The last time we were a dominant side was way back in 1980.

 

[True Thylacine]

RT you are absolutely correct about where we need to get to. What I think you may have momenatrily lost sight of is where we have come from. The length of the journey between those is considerable

 

[nut]

RT you are absolutely correct about where we need to get to. What I think you may have momenatrily lost sight of is where we have come from. The length of the journey between those is considerable

Well said