Kane Lucas

[BM123]

Just like the kick to Waites advantage for his 7th to put us back in front late.

Gotta admit its a bit worrying when you see Judd trying to kick for distance and it goes higher in the air then it does along the ground.

 

[Kramer1]

Thought you were talking about our midfield not our team in general. Bootsma, Henderson, Tuohy, White ( When he has time) and even Jamison ( when in form) are all good kicks as well.

Can't agree on White. If anything he takes too much time until all options are exhausted and ends up bombing to contests.

 

[Just Kreuzing]

Gotta admit its a bit worrying when you see Judd trying to kick for distance and it goes higher in the air then it does along the ground.

Mitch Robinson thread.....

 

[Silvagnis]

Literally has no penetration in his kicking when he is on one of his Juddesque runs. Needs to play within his limitations and start kicking short instead of bombing hail mary's that give us no chance.

Would have nailed that running a year and snap around the corner a year or two ago, but he's definitely lost some depth in his kicking. He wound up on the run against Richmond to convert from the centre square. The snap on his wrong foot with a bad ankle and Chapman right on him are but a memory.

 

[HARKER]

Can't agree on White. If anything he takes too much time until all options are exhausted and ends up bombing to contests.

This is what I'm seeing too much of, from some of our players.
We stop and try to work things out rather than play on instinct. There's no time to work things out any more and particularly through the game that we're best at.

That's always concerned me about White and why I feel that Davies, Collins, Dale and Joseph are going to find it hard to hang on at years end.
What's worse though is that when said players do hold things up, they seem to turn the ball over just as much as for good delivery.

 

[BM123]

Would have nailed that running a year and snap around the corner a year or two ago, but he's definitely lost some depth in his kicking. He wound up on the run against Richmond to convert from the centre square. The snap on his wrong foot with a bad ankle and Chapman right on him are but a memory.

One of my favorite goals ever but at least he is a still a great clearance player with awesome hands and with Gibbs finally in the midfield we still have a few players with good skills in the midfield. Still waiting for Yarran to move into the midfield in the future

 

[BM123]

Can't agree on White. If anything he takes too much time until all options are exhausted and ends up bombing to contests.

Still capable of some very good kicks and will get better with more experience.

 

[Silvagnis]

One of my favorite goals ever but at least he is a still a great clearance player with awesome hands and with Gibbs finally in the midfield we still have a few players with good skills in the midfield. Still waiting for Yarran to move into the midfield in the future

Menzel.

Don't need him to do the grunt work, but finish and use his left foot like another southpaw who can't be criticised.

 

[GoBlues!]

Literally has no penetration in his kicking when he is on one of his Juddesque runs. Needs to play within his limitations and start kicking short instead of bombing hail mary's that give us no chance.

Just like the kick to Waites advantage for his 7th to put us back in front late.

Gotta admit its a bit worrying when you see Judd trying to kick for distance and it goes higher in the air then it does along the ground.

Would have nailed that running a year and snap around the corner a year or two ago, but he's definitely lost some depth in his kicking. He wound up on the run against Richmond to convert from the centre square. The snap on his wrong foot with a bad ankle and Chapman right on him are but a memory.

One of my favorite goals ever but at least he is a still a great clearance player with awesome hands and with Gibbs finally in the midfield we still have a few players with good skills in the midfield. Still waiting for Yarran to move into the midfield in the future

This thread has morphed into a Judd Roast.

 

[King of Ruin]

This thread has morphed into a Judd Roast.

Throw anymore into the mix and we have a spit roast.

 

[The Blue Baggers]

"soft, outside player"

I think I stumbled onto the Craig Bradley thread by mistake. Braddles had 98 SANFL games to iron out any deficiencies, yet still carried the above tag through 17 seasons at the Blues.

I have faith in you, Kane.

you are kidding? craig bradley was a champion. mental toughness comes in many forms but bradley's ability to keep running late in the games was the best i have ever seen. also bradley kicked pressure goals when they mattered.

its not fair on lucas to mention him in the same thread... then again very few compare to braddles

 

[Azul]

you are kidding? craig bradley was a champion. mental toughness comes in many forms but bradley's ability to keep running late in the games was the best i have ever seen.

That may be so. ask any opposition fan whether he was a receiver who didn't go in and get the hard ball and they'll reply yes absolutely.

My point was there's no shame in being an outside midfielder and Kane has a long and prosperous career ahead if he's prepared to model himself on said club champion. Our own recruiters saw something special in him...

 

[Murphkreuzmitch]

Sugar has some deficiencies, I don't disagree with that. In fact I will readily admit he has a lot of work to do on his tackling & I have already stated his missed shot on goal was disappointing, as were a number of our missed shots on goal in the second half. I do believe some posters tend to exaggerate deficiencies with his disposal though. He does shank some every now & then, but outside of Walker, Gibbs & Hendo, there aren't too many other players in the team who are better at using the ball than Lucas.

I do agree with you re his disposal, admittedly I did not think so earlier in the year and think his timing and decision making has really come along. I think he can be the whipping boy because of his lack of intensity in the contest and other flaws can be exagerated. Robbo would never be a whipping boy because of his high intensity,despite terrible disposal which does not seem to get better.

 

[Claypigeon]

Graham doesn't have the speed and outside game to play wing and be the linkman from defence. Lucas gets into space because he's a gutrunner and whippet who can run all day. Graham is more likely to play instead of Curnow, Cachia or Mclean.

To be fair McLean has been using his gut running to make space and provide that linking option despite his speed. .. Playing the link man role is more about reading the play then pure speed but it helps. .. Lucas is more the outside handball option and probably needs to take the game on a bit more to get his confidence up (a bit chick and egg of course)

[On Judd] Groin injuries. Still has speed, but he looks restricted with his follow through and the ensuing Judd grimace.

Rarely kicks through it any more. .. Probably has a more penetrating left kick these days. ..

 

[The Blue Baggers]

That may be so. ask any opposition fan whether he was a receiver who didn't go in and get the hard ball and they'll reply yes absolutely.

My point was there's no shame in being an outside midfielder and Kane has a long and prosperous career ahead if he's prepared to model himself on said club champion. Our own recruiters saw something special in him...

dont get me started on our recruiters.... Russell, Bower, Hampson, Lucas.

Obviously kicking skills are not high on the list of priorities

 

[goreds]

Menzel.

Don't need him to do the grunt work, but finish and use his left foot like another southpaw who can't be criticised.

Oh that left foot...!

 

[Silvagnis]

dont get me started on our recruiters.... Russell, Bower, Hampson, Lucas.

Obviously kicking skills are not high on the list of priorities

Maybe you should start on the development coaches instead of the recruiters. These players wouldn't have slid a lot further than picks nine, 12, 17 and 20. Would be a hair's breadth between the rankings Hughes, Wells, Hine, Beatson and Lewis would produce.

 

[Athomas]

So who do we replace him with this week?

Bring in Carazzo ideally (or Bell), have Simpson play that outside role, move someone else to fill Simpons's HBF role.

So you think that we should cut him at the end of the year and get someone else in to do the same job?

I didn't say to delist him. I said to give him a few weeks in the VFL at the least. He's certainly not up to AFL standard at the moment, maybe if he fixes a lot of his issues he will be, I personally don't want to see him 'developing' at an AFL level if it's causing us to lose games which I believe it is.

Who do you think that we are going to get in to replace him?

What do you think that we will get for him?

As above.

Although it would be good to get Thomas next year for that role wouldn't it!

Or are you just making noise because you dont like him?

I like him. Was probably a bit more positive last year about him though.

My main issue is his role is very lucrative, everyone would look good in it yet he doesn't. That's my view anyway.

 

[mediumsizered]

I didn't say to delist him. I said to give him a few weeks in the VFL at the least. He's certainly not up to AFL standard at the moment, maybe if he fixes a lot of his issues he will be, I personally don't want to see him 'developing' at an AFL level if it's causing us to lose games which I believe it is.

How many of our losses this season can be directly attributed to Lucas & have a think before you answer this question. We lost against Richmond because we gave them a 7 goal start. We lost against Collingwood because we failed to run out the game & let an ordinary player like Elliott off the leash. We lost against Geelong because they were too good for us (the 16 point margin flattered us). We lost against St Kilda because our forward structure failed with 2 ruckmen playing as forwards (we nearly stole the game because St Kilda are crap). We lost against Essendon because we failed to control the ball in the last quarter. It was not Lucas' fault that Winderlich outmarked Yarran & then found Melksham by himself inside 50 (Essendon kicked too many easy goals in that last quarter).

Do you think Yarran should sort out his petulant behaviour for a few weeks in the VFL? Should Kreuzer go back to the VFL to sort out his goalkicking (he has kicked 3.9 this season, maybe he is costing us games).

AFL games are lost by teams, not individual players.

 

[Athomas]

How many of our losses this season can be directly attributed to Lucas & have a think before you answer this question. We lost against Richmond because we gave them a 7 goal start. We lost against Collingwood because we failed to run out the game & let an ordinary player like Elliott off the leash. We lost against Geelong because they were too good for us (the 16 point margin flattered us). We lost against St Kilda because our forward structure failed with 2 ruckmen playing as forwards (we nearly stole the game because St Kilda are crap). We lost against Essendon because we failed to control the ball in the last quarter. It was not Lucas' fault that Winderlich outmarked Yarran & then found Melksham by himself inside 50 (Essendon kicked too many easy goals in that last quarter).

Do you think Yarran should sort out his petulant behaviour for a few weeks in the VFL? Should Kreuzer go back to the VFL to sort out his goalkicking (he has kicked 3.9 this season, maybe he is costing us games).

AFL games are lost by teams, not individual players.

I will say that all those other losses Lucas was a contributor and not the sole reason we lost (and I'm sure he wasn't even in the worst 10 in some of those matches, I'd have to revisit them)

However, Lucas was the reason we lost to Essendon. Hocking's goal, direct goal after Lucas stuffs it up from 55m out, direct turnaround goal after Lucas misses from 3m out. He had other aspects that were wrong (as I'm sure many other players did) but those plays, especially the last two are just killers and unacceptable.

Not sure how we lost the Essendon game because of the last goal of the match.

Players are allowed poor games, heck, if Lucas had just kicked the ball to Kreuzer instead of being so indecisive it would have been 15m and Kreuz wouldn't have had to rush the kick anyway . Tongue in cheek there.

Interesting examples you have picked in Kreuzer and Yarran. No-one should be safe in the team (as Lucas seems to be) and if Warnock brings more to the table than Kreuzer or Menzel than Yarran then sure, they shouldn't be in the team over them.

 

[Dramoth]

I will say that all those other losses Lucas was a contributor and not the sole reason we lost (and I'm sure he wasn't even in the worst 10 in some of those matches, I'd have to revisit them)

However, Lucas was the reason we lost to Essendon. Hocking's goal, direct goal after Lucas stuffs it up from 55m out, direct turnaround goal after Lucas misses from 3m out. He had other aspects that were wrong (as I'm sure many other players did) but those plays, especially the last two are just killers and unacceptable.

Not sure how we lost the Essendon game because of the last goal of the match.

Players are allowed poor games, heck, if Lucas had just kicked the ball to Kreuzer instead of being so indecisive it would have been 15m and Kreuz wouldn't have had to rush the kick anyway . Tongue in cheek there.

Interesting examples you have picked in Kreuzer and Yarran. No-one should be safe in the team (as Lucas seems to be) and if Warnock brings more to the table than Kreuzer or Menzel than Yarran then sure, they shouldn't be in the team over them.

So Lucas is solely and directly responsible for our loss last Friday... geez... so the other 21 guys had no say in the loss at all?

Damn it must be a massive burden on that poor kids shoulders to be the only person responsible in a team sport playing as part of a team to be the only person to lose the game for the whole team.

****... if that was me, I would go out and shoot myself because the pressure of expectations would just be so massive. "Damned... I'm the only person out of 22 who really lost the game for us... BANG!".

None of the other goals missed before Lucas missed his contributed to the change of momentum away from Carlton during the course of the game... like Judds miss just before Lucas missed which resulted in us only being 25 points up instead of 36. You dont think that would have put a bit more pressure on Lucas when he was going for his shot. It's ok for someone like Judd, who has 248 (at the start of the game) games under his belt, to screw up and miss a clutch goal but it isnt ok for someone who has only 27 games under his belt and just doesnt have the experience of operating under that sort of pressure yet to miss a similar sort of clutch goal.

Geez you would be a hard boss to work for. The company goes broke because the rest of the staff screw up and because the junior salesman missed a sale... he is solely responsible for the company going bust.

 

[mediumsizered]

I will say that all those other losses Lucas was a contributor and not the sole reason we lost (and I'm sure he wasn't even in the worst 10 in some of those matches, I'd have to revisit them)

However, Lucas was the reason we lost to Essendon. Hocking's goal, direct goal after Lucas stuffs it up from 55m out, direct turnaround goal after Lucas misses from 3m out. He had other aspects that were wrong (as I'm sure many other players did) but those plays, especially the last two are just killers and unacceptable.

Not sure how we lost the Essendon game because of the last goal of the match.

Players are allowed poor games, heck, if Lucas had just kicked the ball to Kreuzer instead of being so indecisive it would have been 15m and Kreuz wouldn't have had to rush the kick anyway . Tongue in cheek there.

Interesting examples you have picked in Kreuzer and Yarran. No-one should be safe in the team (as Lucas seems to be) and if Warnock brings more to the table than Kreuzer or Menzel than Yarran then sure, they shouldn't be in the team over them.

How do you explain us giving up a 20 point lead in the last quarter, having kicked the first goal of the last quarter? The game was not lost in the 3rd quarter, by kicking the first goal of the last quarter we should have had the momentum, but more importantly we should not have conceded 5 goals in the quarter, after Essendon had struggled to kick 6 goals in the first 3 quarters. How did Essendon get those 5 goals? As we know the winning goal came from Melksham being on his own inside 50 (the nearest midfielder to him was Murphy, Lucas certainly can't be blamed because in the contest on the opposite side of the ground, when Stanton kicked the ball inside 50, Lucas was running with Heppell). The other 4 goals I don't remember & I don't have the inclination to rewatch the last quarter, which was where the game was lost.

The idea that a game which is decided by 5 points can be decided by an action in the 3rd quarter just defies logic, but just for the sake of it, tell me about Judd's miss in the 3rd quarter, remembering this came after we had kicked 5 goals to 1 in the 2nd quarter & the first 2 goals of the 3rd quarter, therefore having kept Essendon goalless for a significant period of time, only to have them kick a goal shortly after Judd's miss. To have kicked the first 3 goals of the 3rd quarter, after dominating the 2nd quarter you would think had to give us a massive psychological boost, whilst having the opposite effect on the Bombers, but instead for it to be 2 goals to 1 at that stage in the 3rd quarter had to be better for the Bombers than for us. Just saying.

Realistically though, the game was not lost in the 3rd quarter, it was lost in the last quarter, with there being a number of occasions where the game could have turned (if Yaz had marked Hendo's kick, if White hadn't have shanked his kick on goal, if Murphy hadn't bombed the ball to 3 Essendon players, if the last behind had been ruled as out of bounds, if Waite had taken a shot for goal instead of trying to hit a teammate in a one-on-one inside 50, if McLean had kicked his shot on goal etc etc).

 

[Silvagnis]

However, Lucas was the reason we lost to Essendon. Hocking's goal, direct goal after Lucas stuffs it up from 55m out, direct turnaround goal after Lucas misses from 3m out. He had other aspects that were wrong (as I'm sure many other players did) but those plays, especially the last two are just killers and unacceptable.

How does it come down to one error?

Blaming Lucas for missing from 55 out is pretty funny.

Does Henderson missing Mclean and being outmarked twice by Carlisle have anything to do with it?

Think you've made your point that Lucas is your whipping boy.

 

[Athomas]

Geez you would be a hard boss to work for. The company goes broke because the rest of the staff screw up and because the junior salesman missed a sale... he is solely responsible for the company going bust.

You don't have to make everything into a huge drama. Plenty contributed to our loss, I thought Lucas was the sole contributor. He's still young but he's not a first year player. Fourth year now.

Putting Lucas in the VFL isn't going to make Carlton go bust.

Judd missed from 45-50m out, geez. How can people qualify one miss from Lucas as one miss from anyone else? It was 2m out, it's a bigger miss.... and as mentioned, it wasn't the only major stuff up.

I don't want to crucify players (as I clearly have in this thread to Lucas) but I'm sick of seeing players get a free pass because they are young. It's Round 12 now, he needs to be dropped.

 

[mediumsizered]

So Lucas is solely and directly responsible for our loss last Friday... geez... so the other 21 guys had no say in the loss at all?

Damn it must be a massive burden on that poor kids shoulders to be the only person responsible in a team sport playing as part of a team to be the only person to lose the game for the whole team.

****... if that was me, I would go out and shoot myself because the pressure of expectations would just be so massive. "Damned... I'm the only person out of 22 who really lost the game for us... BANG!".

None of the other goals missed before Lucas missed his contributed to the change of momentum away from Carlton during the course of the game... like Judds miss just before Lucas missed which resulted in us only being 25 points up instead of 36. You dont think that would have put a bit more pressure on Lucas when he was going for his shot. It's ok for someone like Judd, who has 248 (at the start of the game) games under his belt, to screw up and miss a clutch goal but it isnt ok for someone who has only 27 games under his belt and just doesnt have the experience of operating under that sort of pressure yet to miss a similar sort of clutch goal.

Geez you would be a hard boss to work for. The company goes broke because the rest of the staff screw up and because the junior salesman missed a sale... he is solely responsible for the company going bust.

I suppose the positive you can take from this is that opposition supporters & the media can no longer claim we rely on Judd to win us games, that responsibility now lies with Lucas. Lucky his shoulders aren't as bad as Judd's shoulders.