Review Keeffe - A selection quandary

[Quicky]

I think we have an interesting decision to make here.

On one hand Keeffe had a stinker last night and we have a quality full back waiting in the twos champing at the bit to come into the side.

On the other hand we probably need to recognise that Keeffe has <30 games experience and I think we need to expect a few hiccups along the way.

So do we stick thick? Or does he go back to the VFL to find form?

 

[motr]

I don't see it as a simple drop or don't drop problem. We have 3 capable key defensive players, given we need to play Reid forward. It will be a horses for courses selection problem every week. It will also be able playing Witts when we can.

Who do we play next week?

 

[Quicky]

I don't see it as a simple drop or don't drop problem. We have 3 capable key defensive players, given we need to play Reid forward. It will be a horses for courses selection problem every week. It will also be able playing Witts when we can.

I'm specifically talking about this coming week.

 

[Scodog10]

He's in trouble. Having goals kicked on you is one thing, but a lack of discipline and effort off the ball is a different matter entirely...

Brown has a good record v Kennedy and there's no point in singing the praises of your depth if you aren't prepared to call on them when a best 22 player doesn't perform.

 

[Bloben]

Keeffe has to be dropped. He is young and you can understand a drop off however there is no point having depth if you don't use it to apply pressure to spots.

We need to build expectations that if you perform badly you will go back to the VFL to work hard and get back in. Buckley has stated with Brown that whilst Keeffe and Frost performed he has to wait for his opportunity. To leave him there for another week after the shocker that Keeffe had wouldn't be fair.

He is young so we can forgive him but we should also expect better.

 

[well left]

He's struggling with his positioning IMO. He was actually out bodied and beaten a couple of times by Casboult which concerned me at the time so did not surprise me too much when Jenkins did the same thing.

If Brown plays well in the VFL I think he comes in for Keeffe. All reports are Brown has shown great leadership and not dropped his head and I think if his form is good that should be rewarded.

It's a long year and Frost will need a break at some stage so Keeffe will get further opportunities.

 

[SuperSub17]

Not much point sticking with him just because he's inexperienced, we need to put ourselves in the best position to win this game seeing how important it is.

I thought he was pretty poor against Casboult last game to be honest, I can't see how he stays in the team

 

[loki04]

He should be dropped based on his poor body language and giving up the ghost when beaten.

 

[speedytiger]

I think we should go the other way. I have huge faith in Keefe and think he'll be a great player, he was very low on confidence last night. Dropping him every time he plays one bad game won't do anything for his confidence.

I'd tell him he is certainly playing and he needs to find a way to turn things around when he's struggling

 

[Dead Eye Didak]

One bad game doesn't make a season, but his efforts last night alone should see him dropped. He looked like he was playing in the under 10's, and was to tired to run around, flaying his arms and legs around, like "oh do l have to chase him". A good game from Nathan Brown in the VFL, should see him back next week against the weagles.

 

[BEEG]

Brown needs to come in i think we have under rate him

Brown - Kennedy
Toovey - Darling

Problem is they have Cox, Nic Nat and Lycett

 

[TheFreshBanana]

Drop

 

[PieNSauce]

From the point of view of a supporter having little understanding of what is actually happening in the team my first reaction is that he may need to go back to the VFL and continue working on his consistency. "Drop" always seems like such a harsh word but in reality that's possibly what needs to happen. I can't see how you can leave an experienced key position defender languishing in the VFL when our backline is so inexperienced. Recognition has to be given that Keefe has performed admirably in the role but because of depth, good players will occasionally find themselves omitted and they will simply need to wear it and work hard to get back. Plenty of opportunities will come if they are good enough.

 

[manicmagpie]

He should be dropped based on his poor body language and giving up the ghost when beaten.

After last night the only trouble with this is that we can't drop everyone except Pendles and Langdon.

Keeffe should be dropped for next week and do some hard work in the VFL to regain his place. Could get a reprieve if the coaches see a specific matchup that requires him. Who will WC have up forward? Any other talls other than Kennedy, Darling, Nic Nat/Cox? No Le Cras is a bonus for us.

 

[76woodenspooners]

I hate saying this after a young player has had a rubbish game ...

... but I will anyway ...

I don't rate Keeffe, never have. Yeah, there have been many games when he has pleasantly surprised me ...

But here's my issue: he's far too much of a confidence player. If he stuffs up - and all players do at some stage - he gets frustrated and loses his composure. It happens far too easily. And he'll play poorly for the rest of the game and we may as well be a man down.

And it's when things are going badly that we need players to hold themselves together and work hard to get us back.

Sure, he's a young player and he can learn. But last night's "losing his bundle" was no different to his behaviour in games 1 ... 7 when he was a debutant getting frustrated in the forward line.

I hope he sorts it out. I just can't see him having a career of any length with us unless he does.

 

[piedpiper32]

What's most troubling about Keefe IMO is his fragile confidence.
He was very poor in the preseason games and his confidence looked shot. He was no chance to break into the side, but it was only when Brown injured his shoulder against Sydney and we had no other choice but to bring him in.

Since then he has had some decent games, but you could see the doubts returning very quickly in the last game against Carlton. It just flowed through to this game and it was obvious he started hanging his head when things started to go against him.

Part of this may be due to lack of experience and it's not like others don't also suffer from lack of confidence (see Cloke), but with Keefe he really needs to work on the mental side of his game and keeping the effort up at all times.

 

[76woodenspooners]

What's most troubling about Keefe IMO is his fragile confidence.
He was very poor in the preseason games and his confidence looked shot. He was no chance to break into the side, but it was only when Brown injured his shoulder against Sydney and we had no other choice but to bring him in.

Since then he has had some decent games, but you could see the doubts returning very quickly in the last game against Carlton. It just flowed through to this game and it was obvious he started hanging his head when things started to go against him.

Part of this may be due to lack of experience and it's not like others don't also suffer from lack of confidence (see Cloke), but with Keefe he really needs to work on the mental side of his game ...

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...and keeping the effort up at all times.

Hmmm, I'm not sure it's lack of effort. I wonder if perhaps it's the opposite: he tries too hard?

 

[blaze036]

we have 3 KPD and all of them are exceedingly average.

Frost can shut down well but it is pretty much a fluke if he picks the ball up on his 2nd attempt and let's not talk about his kicking.

Keeffe can be a good shut down player, sometimes, but he offers little rebound and can fall apart mentally.

Brown is a good shut down player, again offers no rebound and very injury prone... a career ending injury could be around the corner.

All 3 of them are very one dimensional and can't play anywhere else on the ground too.


Down the other end we have Cloke who is also mentally fragile and White who the jury is still out on. None of them are particularly young...

I don't like our KPP stocks

 

[DaVe86]

It's a tough decision. Ultimately Nathan Brown needs to have a strong VFL game before this really becomes an issue. Brown has been ok at VFL level but not dominant.

Keeffe has had a good month. So it would be unfair to drop him after one game. That said, he had an absolute stinker, and sometimes with young players it is better to drop them before their confidence gets completely dinted.

The good thing about Keeffe is his height. He can play on the ruckman sized forwards, whereas Brown and Frost are the 195cm mark. Keeffe gives our backline some versatility, and he is also a much more reliable user by foot (which wasn't always the case last night).

On whole, our backline did ok. Keeffe just let Jenkins off the leash and that was the difference.

 

[kelvarnsen]

No!

Collingwood coach Nathan Buckley said his side had few players who won their position.

“Our midfield was nutted, our defence was under siege ... there wasn’t a lot we can take out of it,” he said.

 

[Mungo Mulligan Stew]

Does CFC currently use sports psychologists to work with our players?

How many of my BOAF (Birds Of A Feather) have seen the Youtube video of Port Adelaide using a hypnotist to help it's players?

 

[piedpiper32]

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Hmmm, I'm not sure it's lack of effort. I wonder if perhaps it's the opposite: he tries too hard?

Could be 76.
But it seems when Keefe's confidence takes a hit he just disappears from the game. You'll see him trailing behind his direct opponent, but that's about it. He seems to stop taking any risks to help out teammates or get involved in other ways.

Brown has to come in next week for Keefe.

Also I thought Frost was average. Walker was back from a knee reco for his first game in over a year yet still contributed quite well, with only his kicking for goal letting him down (0.4). If he'd kicked a bit better then Frost's game would be rated much more harshly especially as we saw the fumbles and poor disposal becoming more obvious again.

 

[TradeDraft]

After how bad he is Played.

Dropping him is the Only thing you can do

 

[TradeDraft]

we have 3 KPD and all of them are exceedingly average.

Frost can shut down well but it is pretty much a fluke if he picks the ball up on his 2nd attempt and let's not talk about his kicking.

Keeffe can be a good shut down player, sometimes, but he offers little rebound and can fall apart mentally.

Brown is a good shut down player, again offers no rebound and very injury prone... a career ending injury could be around the corner.

All 3 of them are very one dimensional and can't play anywhere else on the ground too.


Down the other end we have Cloke who is also mentally fragile and White who the jury is still out on. None of them are particularly young...

I don't like our KPP stocks

Bring in Moore then?

 

[MagpieJoel]

Yep, time for him to take a rest. He's been good so far this season, but he made far too many mistakes last night and needs to go back to the VFL and work on a few things.

Brown should have played last night anyway. Two big bodies was always going to stretch us.