Key Roles with in the team

[acuguy]

He's not worth twice as much as 1st round draftees, and no AFL club would pay him as such.

$7 million divided by 47 players is just under $150 000. There would be very few 1st or 2nd year players in the AFL earning close to the average wage.

I am assuming your list of 47 includes 2 veterans, 7 rookies and 38 listed players

Accurate salary cap averages

10 draftees- 600K (2 Year cycle)
7 rookies 210k
2 veterans at most 500k

Total 1.31 million

Left 5.69 million to be shared amongst 28 players at an average of


203k per player

Considering 6 other players probably get paid on average 100k that then leaves 5 million to be shared amongst 22


That leaves an average of 227k per player, i could keep going if you want. The average of just under 150 is just figure and isn't an accurate way to breakdown player payments.

 

[Cousin Jed]

I presume this all means the people who decide what to pay the players have a key role in the team.

 

[acuguy]

I presume this all means the people who decide what to pay the players have a key role in the team.

Probably the most vital of all, we all know that money makes the world go round!

 

[GabbaMan]

I would venture that key roles in any modern team aiming for glory
would primarly be the on-baller squad (engine roomees). We need to gel another set of fabs, my rotationals

in and under:
Simon Black (2003 model), Lappin
Rischitelli, Sherman

Run & gun:
Power, Harding, Hooper

Link & delivery
Johnstone, Adcock, Corrie

On-baller taggers:
Selwood, Mcgrath


Any side with first use and delivery can wallpaper a lot of deficiencies
Eg Sydney (2005) battling, undersized backline, West Coast premiers (2006) average forwards

 

[T Rick]

I would venture that key roles in any modern team aiming for glory
would primarly be the on-baller squad (engine roomees). We need to gel another set of fabs, my rotationals

in and under:
Simon Black (2003 model), Lappin
Rischitelli, Sherman

Run & gun:
Power, Harding, Hooper

Link & delivery
Johnstone, Adcock, Corrie

On-baller taggers:
Selwood, Mcgrath


Any side with first use and delivery can wallpaper a lot of deficiencies
Eg Sydney (2005) battling, undersized backline, West Coast premiers (2006) average forwards

I struggle to truly define the difference between "Run & Gun" and "Link & Delivery". Either it's Inside mid or Outside mid. Some players just have the lot. Like Black, he is an inside mid but then has the kicking skills of an outside mid making him the all round perfect midfielder. You have listed Sherman as inside, i think this is false Sherman appears to be the outside fast paced man.

 

[BigCat2]

I also see Adcock being quite a good inside midfielder, but his kicking is very good too. Probably Michael Voss' replacement.

 

[Warwick]

I am assuming your list of 47 includes 2 veterans, 7 rookies and 38 listed players

Accurate salary cap averages

10 draftees- 600K (2 Year cycle)
7 rookies 210k
2 veterans at most 500k

Total 1.31 million

Left 5.69 million to be shared amongst 28 players at an average of


203k per player

Considering 6 other players probably get paid on average 100k that then leaves 5 million to be shared amongst 22


That leaves an average of 227k per player, i could keep going if you want. The average of just under 150 is just figure and isn't an accurate way to breakdown player payments.

Isn't an accurate way to breakdown player payments?? Your breakdown is just as simplistic as it doesn't take into account the top end of the scale.

Say we spend 6.8 mill in our cap to account for any extra payments we may need to make with injuries.

Say our 4 star players (Brown, Black, Power, Lappin) take up 2.2 mill with their wages (considering Nigel is on the veteran's list).

Now under the terms of the CBA, first-round draft picks are paid $50,200, second-round selections $45,500, and third-round or lower selections $43,200, with all awarded $2400 per match. In their second year all players are paid $53,400 plus match payments, then are paid market value for the rest of their careers. So the rough breakdown on the Brisbane players:

Henderson - $50 200
Collier - $45 500
Polkinghorne, Dalziell, Austin - $43 200 each
Leuenberger, Proud, Hawksley, Schmidt, Tyler and Sheldon - $53 400 each.

So those 11 players take up a minimum of $545 700 each year but it would be naive to think we don't pay some of those players more so round that up to $600 000.

Now only half of a rookie list salary is counted towards the cap. So say 7 rookies (not including Begley) x $30 000 / 2 = $105 000.

So that is $6.8 mill - ($2.2 mill - $600 000 - $105 000) = $3.895 million to be divided between 25 remaining players at an average of $155 800 each.

Now look at the remaining players:
Notting
Bradshaw
McDonald
Copeland
Johnstone
Charman
Drummond
McGrath
Roe
Selwood
Corrie
Brennan
Macdonald
Patfull
Merrett
Moody
Adcock
Rischitelli
Stiller
Harding
Begley
Sherman
Mills
Clark
Hooper

The ones in bold (at least) would all be earning a lot more than $155 800 each, while there are a fair few who would be earning more than that amount. So which of those players would be, or deserve to be earning less than Begley at the moment? There would probably only be 4 or 5 at the most.

When you take into consideration match payments (I think 2400 a game?) I would take a rough guess that Begley would be close to or exceeding $120 000.

But there is no doubt his next contract will be more substantial, but just throwing a figure out there and not looking at the entire situation with regards to the cap etc skews the process.

And what is very stupid is making claims (or trying to in a roundabout way) that we are somehow shortchanging players when none of us know the full story.

*I should also mention at this stage Begley is going to be an absolute gun - just so my words are not twisted around to mean I don't value him as a player.* And I would dare say he was kept on the rookie list not to "shortchange" him, but so we could pick up another player in the draft. Which is fair enough.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Good post Warwick.

I'd hate to be in charge of player contracts. Would be an absolute nightmare.

 

[acuguy]

brown 600k black 500k power 400k lappin 250 k counted in the salary cap, this at absolute max, 1.75 million, this then adds close to a further 500k for the rest of the group. I think we would find that the top end contracts aren't as meaty as what they are speculated in the media, especially at Brisbane. my new ave is 176.


i am sure players are accelerated to 100 k pretty quickly to keep poachers at bay, i am also pretty sure that getting 200k would be very difficult.



Of the highlighted list i think only Bradshaw, Charman, Adcock and Notting would be costing us over 200k with Adcock and Notting not far over the mark.

i reckon braddles and charman would have very interesting contracts, especially Charman, i would think his contract would go something like 220k this year and then 500k next year, i would be assuming that his payment is small this year with the thought that Black will be on the veteran list next year, therefore freeing up 250 or so, my concern when thinking about this is for Daniel Bradshaw. Braddles would have never had the big pay day. I am sure he has been adequately looked after, but i would think if Clark continues to improve and signs again, that Braddles may not get the pay day he might of thought he would have got towards the end of his career. Not going to speculate anymore.

As for stupid claims, well all i am doing is putting my footy managers hat on. Without speculation footy is not quite footy.

 

[Grimreepah]

Lucky Luke did an exercise in estimated player payments earlier in the year. Depending on how highly you rate Begley this might provide a good guide as to how much money he is now on.

 

[blynd_freddie]

brown 600k black 500k power 400k lappin 250 k counted in the salary cap, this at absolute max, 1.75 million, this then adds close to a further 500k for the rest of the group. I think we would find that the top end contracts aren't as meaty as what they are speculated in the media, especially at Brisbane. my new ave is 176.
i am sure players are accelerated to 100 k pretty quickly to keep poachers at bay, i am also pretty sure that getting 200k would be very difficult.
Of the highlighted list i think only Bradshaw, Charman, Adcock and Notting would be costing us over 200k with Adcock and Notting not far over the mark.
i reckon braddles and charman would have very interesting contracts, especially Charman, i would think his contract would go something like 220k this year and then 500k next year, i would be assuming that his payment is small this year with the thought that Black will be on the veteran list next year, therefore freeing up 250 or so, my concern when thinking about this is for Daniel Bradshaw. Braddles would have never had the big pay day. I am sure he has been adequately looked after, but i would think if Clark continues to improve and signs again, that Braddles may not get the pay day he might of thought he would have got towards the end of his career. Not going to speculate anymore.

As for stupid claims, well all i am doing is putting my footy managers hat on. Without speculation footy is not quite footy.

Correct, purely speculation and generally put forward as a process for consideration, generally without facts and therefore impossible to verify. But as you have alluded to Acuguy even if in my opinion your new hat is on crooked it is only my opinion and it cannot be verified but as you say without opinions, sorry, speculations, footy just would not quite be footy would it?

Back on topic… Another key role within a “team” that is generally over looked are the people who interpret the stats. No, not the standard marks, kicks and handball stats but things like ball movement stats of specific key individual opponents and opposing teams as a whole. I think the catch phrase that is still used is “value added” statistics. Things like goal assists etc that go towards building individual signatures of players and their teams.

I dare say now days most of the clubs football operations staff use a lot of these stats towards formulating specific game plans for up coming matches.

 

[acuguy]

1 percenter counters are vital, their information challenges, inspires and can refocus players. Value added statistics is a great name for all the little things in footy that mean alot.

We have overlooked our water carriers as well, they play a vital role, i mean it isn't very often that our players are screaming for the water carrier (anyone that has played local footy knows what i am talking about) our water carriers help keep fluids up and are the unsung heroes of footy.

Yes without speculation and opinions in footy it would be less of a game. Thanks blynd freddie

 

[weevil]

Okay boys, stand down.

Chill out or be chilled out.

 

[acuguy]

I have decided to give the whole player payment thing away, with back ended contracts etc it is impossible to predict how much of a players contract will be used in this years tpp. Lets just say that apart from the draftees who don't play senior footy, they have all got me beaten in the dollars department!

 

[Warwick]

brown 600k black 500k power 400k lappin 250 k counted in the salary cap, this at absolute max, 1.75 million, this then adds close to a further 500k for the rest of the group. I think we would find that the top end contracts aren't as meaty as what they are speculated in the media, especially at Brisbane. my new ave is 176.

The last thing I am going to say on the matter, but I know for a fact those figures are off the mark. And I didn't get them from the media.

Brown in particular.

There is a huge reason why we can't chase players like Nick Riewoldt aggressively. The reason is Jonathan Brown. He is the best player in the league, and you have to pay accordingly.

Matthews was mentioning this last year and some people thought that meant we had salary cap concerns. The simple fact is you can't be paying 2 players 20-25% of your salary cap. It's poor business.

 

[campbell]

1 percenter counters are vital, their information challenges, inspires and can refocus players. Value added statistics is a great name for all the little things in footy that mean alot.

We have overlooked our water carriers as well, they play a vital role, i mean it isn't very often that our players are screaming for the water carrier (anyone that has played local footy knows what i am talking about) our water carriers help keep fluids up and are the unsung heroes of footy.

Yes without speculation and opinions in footy it would be less of a game. Thanks blynd freddie

nah,what about the runners, that get a gob full from the coach with the message, then have to give it to the players. Now thats a thankless job. lol

 

[acuguy]

Now there are 2 runners i think they have become a little soft. Apparently most are deaf in one ear as well. Apparently the pre requisite for the job.

 

[weevil]

For anyone who is not subscribed to the “ATTENTION PLEASE READ BEFORE YOU POST ON THIS BOARD” thread I suggest you wander over and take a look at my last post...

 

[campbell]

Now there are 2 runners i think they have become a little soft. Apparently most are deaf in one ear as well. Apparently the pre requisite for the job.

better than having a white cane, like you need to be an umpire. lol

 

[campbell]

For anyone who is not subscribed to the “ATTENTION PLEASE READ BEFORE YOU POST ON THIS BOARD” thread I suggest you wander over and take a look at my last post...

Have I done or said something wrong Weevil?

 

[weevil]

Have I done or said something wrong Weevil?

I don’t want to break it down into individual posters and what they said, did and thought...I’d be here for months.

Just want everyone to step back and have a think about it.