Kicking for goal is our number 1 problem

[SJ]

Correct.
The expected score had us beating the pies, as IIRC it had us beating GWS.

It didn't have us beating GWS, in fact we outperformed the expected score there (although there were some poor misses late that stick in our memory).

We fell well short of our expected score in the Essendon, Adelaide and Collingwood games.

 

[catempire]

Correct.
The expected score had us beating the pies, as IIRC it had us beating GWS.

Not GWS (https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/thre...-the-paper-2016-season.1127222/#post-43713161) but yes the Pies. I think the Essendon game we were something like 5 goals worse than expected.

 

[Lana]

You might as well just add up the total now

 

[catempire]

You might as well just add up the total now

I already have. It's all the way on the computer though. #lazy

 

[Mad_Hatter]

It didn't have us beating GWS, in fact we outperformed the expected score there (although there were some poor misses late that stick in our memory).

We fell well short of our expected score in the Essendon, Adelaide and Collingwood games.

Not GWS (https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/thre...-the-paper-2016-season.1127222/#post-43713161) but yes the Pies. I think the Essendon game we were something like 5 goals worse than expected.

My bad.
My recollection of the GWS game was we blew early chances to put a score on the board, ergo I presumed that pattern continued throughout the day and we scored less than we should have as a result.
The fact that 2 of our most talented players in Danger and Menzel are 2nd and 3rd worst kicks at goal in the AFL is frightening, most of the other players you could excuse, most have ok to good goal kicking averages but those 2 in particular are letting the club down (particularly as both are expected goal kickers and seemingly both miss sitters from within 25m or closer).

 

[catempire]

Snapshot of our accuracy and our opponents versus Champion Data's "expected" accuracy in 2016:

 

[Turbocat]

Snapshot of our accuracy and our opponents versus Champion Data's "expected" accuracy in 2016:

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That is an amazing contrast for the Gee VColl game. They were much better, they were much worse.

 

[TEDDY24INC]

**** me hawkins

 

[catempire]

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU goalkicking.

Can you imagine taking this form into finals? Scary.

 

[Cataholic]

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU goalkicking.

Can you imagine taking this form into finals? Scary.

Finals??? Hmm.

Wouldn't necessarily assume that anymore. We keep playing like this and we aren't going to win many.

Something isn't right with the team atm.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

The worse thing is we are really bad at kicking for goal early on and our opponent is really good .We are giving our opponents a massive psychological boost early in games .

 

[InnocentBystandr]

I know there have been some golf swing analogies re technique etc. But as far as impact on the game is concerned, nailing the regulations set shots is like sinking the regulation putts. I don't know the football equivalent of 'Drive for show, putt for dough' is, but maybe these guys should be practicing set shots like the pros practice putts.

 

[dazbroncos]

Seems to have been discussion about not being able to replicate game situations for goal kicking - ie fatigue etc.

Place 5 balls randomly around the 50m arc. Players start at centre square. Players sprint from circle to Ball1. Touch ball one and sprint back to edge of centre square. Touch centre square line and sprint back to ball 1. They get 15 secs to take set shot.

Walk back to centre square and repeat process for ball 2-5.

Rinse and repeat.

Oh, and for each shot they miss ( they get one mulligan) they run laps. 5 misses has lap bonus lap to make 6 laps.

Its not that hard to create pressure.

Go Catters

 

[catempire]

Anyone get the expected scores from yesterday out of the paper?

 

[SJ]

Anyone get the expected scores from yesterday out of the paper?

Carlton 104/104
Geelong 91/85

 

[catempire]

Carlton 104/104
Geelong 91/85

That's quite surprising. They must have judged that we nailed some difficult ones.

 

[SJ]

That's quite surprising. They must have judged that we nailed some difficult ones.

We only had two set shots from within 40 metres, and some of the snap goals we kicked would have been judged as quite difficult.

 

[Mad_Hatter]

Seems to have been discussion about not being able to replicate game situations for goal kicking - ie fatigue etc.

Place 5 balls randomly around the 50m arc. Players start at centre square. Players sprint from circle to Ball1. Touch ball one and sprint back to edge of centre square. Touch centre square line and sprint back to ball 1. They get 15 secs to take set shot.

Walk back to centre square and repeat process for ball 2-5.

Rinse and repeat.

Oh, and for each shot they miss ( they get one mulligan) they run laps. 5 misses has lap bonus lap to make 6 laps.

Its not that hard to create pressure.

Go Catters

The idea of fatiguing players prior to a set shot is a good idea, likewise is having a trainer on the mark each time.
You cannot simulate the pressure of a game but you can simulate the fatigue and distractions easily enough, from there it's simply producing what you practice.

 

[dazbroncos]

The idea of fatiguing players prior to a set shot is a good idea, likewise is having a trainer on the mark each time.
You cannot simulate the pressure of a game but you can simulate the fatigue and distractions easily enough, from there it's simply producing what you practice.

Do it at the end of training and dangle a shorter training session or longer time period away from the club. Players love being away from the club. You want to add pressure - curtail the potential of their time off *


* Yes I know the AFLPA has limits to when they can and cant be at the club - but you get the idea.

GO Catters

 

[Gelooong]

this is greatly exaggerated. i bet it is even with the rest of the comp

 

[SJ]

this is greatly exaggerated. i bet it is even with the rest of the comp

We're now 53 points down on our par score across 10 games (5.3 points per game down) while our opponents are approximately on par (6 points up in total across 10 matches).

 

[Gelooong]

We're now 53 points down on our par score across 10 games (5.3 points per game down) while our opponents are approximately on par (6 points up in total across 10 matches).

I have same reaction as slobbo in your avatar reading this if true

 

[AM]

Snapshot of our accuracy and our opponents versus Champion Data's "expected" accuracy in 2016:

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Maybe Sam Edmund of the Hun reads BF.

It’s simplistic, but a key reason for the Cats’ recent struggles has to be because they can’t put the ball through the big sticks.

They rank 13th for shot at goal accuracy after 10 rounds, converting 48.9 per cent of all attempts.

But it’s in the last month that flaw has started to take a toll. In its past four matches, Geelong has recorded a shot at goal accuracy of 44.6 per cent — ranked 17th.

Their opposition in that stretch — West Coast, Adelaide, Collingwood and Carlton — have combined for a deadeye 61.8 per cent; the most accurate percentage given up by any side.

 

[Spazz Cat]

Has anyone noticed when players are practicing goal kicking THEY DON'T KICK OVER A MAN ON THE MARK!
Simplest explanations can sometimes be the best.

 

[AM]

Has anyone noticed when players are practicing goal kicking THEY DON'T KICK OVER A MAN ON THE MARK!
Simplest explanations can sometimes be the best.

My understanding is they try and replicate playing conditions at training which includes men standing on the mark and other players attempting distractions.