Society/Culture Kyle Rittenhouse

[Malifice]

The moral superiority reeks from this egotistical post.

Im egotistical because I ask for non partisan discussion?

Are you that ideologically blinded you actually think this?

 

[RookiePick]

Was that man trying to stab him or shoot him with a gun? You can only apply like for like force.

He had already made threats to kill and was shot whilst wrestling for possession of the gun. I believe that would satisfy the use of deadly force. The trial result will confirm or debunk my position on that I guess.

 

[SSwans2011]

This is a joke
Your job is to defend women from violent partners but you are here outraged that someone harmed these violent misogynists! - and all 3 of them were recidivists

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If I go incite someone that I don't know is an abuser with a gun, they try to disarm me, and I shoot them and find out afterwards they've done all these horrible things, it doesn't justify my actions in the first place.

 

[SSwans2011]

I don't understand how the fact that one of the victims was a paedophile has any bearing in the conversation at all. Rittenhouse didn't know he was a paedo when he shot and killed him.

I won't weep for him, but that doesn't provide any justification at all for Rittenhouse's actions and shouldn't even be part of the conversation.

 

[RookiePick]

I don't understand how the fact that one of the victims was a paedophile has any bearing in the conversation at all. Rittenhouse didn't know he was a paedo when he shot and killed him.

I won't weep for him, but that doesn't provide any justification at all for Rittenhouse's actions and shouldn't even be part of the conversation.

Is anyone really arguing that? I haven't seen that case made. It seems to be general "good riddance to bad rubbish" type commentary.

 

[SSwans2011]

I also trust those of you who are being so forthright in defending Kyle for killing a paedophile won't preference Scummo over Labor at the next election, given he let a paedo-enabler who was about to be charged escape the country. I'm sure you'll be consistent in your approach to the topic.

 

[SSwans2011]

Is anyone really arguing that? I haven't seen that case made. It seems to be general "good riddance to bad rubbish" type commentary.

If it wasn't meant to justify (even implicitly) Kyle's actions it wouldn't be relevant to this thread.

But yes, I saw it used as an explicit justification at least a dozen times reading through this entire thread just now.

 

[sherb]

If it wasn't meant to justify (even implicitly) Kyle's actions it wouldn't be relevant to this thread.

But yes, I saw it used as an explicit justification at least a dozen times reading through this entire thread just now.

It's a strategy to deflect away from the violence involved (and person committing that violence), as I pointed out earlier.

As I also said, you wouldn't find a better example of use of this tactic than George Floyd.

"Psychologists have said the strategy — whether intentional or not — of shifting focus away from questionable violence and onto the past unlawful behavior of victims makes it easy for people to subscribe to the “they had it coming” trope and justify deaths or injuries."

What's True and False About People Kyle Rittenhouse Shot in Kenosha

Fans of the teenager launched an online campaign to smear the reputations of his victims.

www.snopes.com

 

[RookiePick]

If it wasn't meant to justify (even implicitly) Kyle's actions it wouldn't be relevant to this thread.

But yes, I saw it used as an explicit justification at least a dozen times reading through this entire thread just now.

At least a dozen times? One or two direct quotes will suffice.

I agree that Rosenbaum's past behaviour has no impact on the right or wrong of his interactions with Rittenhouse. It would be wrong to suggest Rosenbaum's history as a mitigating factor and it seems impossible that it could be any part of Rittenhouse's decision making on the day.

 

[RedVest4]

An 18-year-old carrying an AR, there to counter-protest that shot practically as soon as he was provoked wasn't a threat? Rightio.

He was so harmless he only killed 2 people and injured 1 other. Not a threat at all.

He wasn’t a threat until the anarchists chased him and tried to kill him. He then defended himself. This is beyond contestation from anyone who has followed this trial.

As for your melt about victim blaming what else would you call it when you are attacked for the crime of *checks notes* extinguishing a fire and protecting the community

 

[RedVest4]

Was that man trying to stab him or shoot him with a gun? You can only apply like for like force.

One of the two who were chasing Kyle fired a shot and the deceased then lunged for his gun. There was no other option. It was kill or be killed

 

[RedVest4]

If I go incite someone that I don't know is an abuser with a gun, they try to disarm me, and I shoot them and find out afterwards they've done all these horrible things, it doesn't justify my actions in the first place.

He didn’t incite the crowd. They threatened him and made death threats against him. Then chased him and attacked him

 

[RedVest4]

At least a dozen times? One or two direct quotes will suffice.

I agree that Rosenbaum's past behaviour has no impact on the right or wrong of his interactions with Rittenhouse. It would be wrong to suggest Rosenbaum's history as a mitigating factor and it seems impossible that it could be any part of Rittenhouse's decision making on the day.

He wasn’t shot for being a pedo though. He was shot for chasing down and attacking a minor after having made death threats against him

 

[RookiePick]

He wasn’t shot for being a pedo though. He was shot for chasing down and attacking a minor after having made death threats against him

There is a claim that people ITT have said just that. I'm just waiting to see the quotes.

 

[SSwans2011]

He wasn’t a threat until the anarchists chased him and tried to kill him. He then defended himself. This is beyond contestation from anyone who has followed this trial.

So he was a threat? Glad that's confirmed. Anyone following the trial will also know that police officers told him to go home. You think they told him that because he was protecting the community and putting out fires? It's obvious a counter-protester carrying a ****ing assault rifle is a threat. I don't understand how that can be argued.

As for your melt about victim blaming what else would you call it when you are attacked for the crime of *checks notes* extinguishing a fire and protecting the community

Killing 2 people and injuring two others is protecting the community now? If he was trying to protect the community, he did a pretty terrible job of it, didn't he?

He didn’t incite the crowd. They threatened him and made death threats against him. Then chased him and attacked him

If I show up to a proud boy protest and align myself with ANTIFA counter-protestors while carrying an assault rifle, I'd be smart enough to know I was inciting the protestors. Rittenhouse might be too young and stupid to be aware of that, but I don't see how any reasonable adult could think otherwise.

As for your melt about victim blaming what else would you call it when you are attacked for the crime of *checks notes* extinguishing a fire and protecting the community

You could argue he was a victim until he shot and killed two people and injured one other. At that point he no longer becomes the victim. Your lack of empathy for slain human beings is macabre.

 

[SSwans2011]

There is a claim that people ITT have said just that. I'm just waiting to see the quotes.

I didn't say that anyone said that. I said it was used as justification for Rittenhouse's actions. Those are two completely separate claims. If it wasn't being used as justification, it wouldn't have been mentioned in this thread.

 

[RookiePick]

I didn't say that anyone said that. I said it was used as justification for Rittenhouse's actions. Those are two completely separate claims. If it wasn't being used as justification, it wouldn't have been mentioned in this thread.

That's faulty logic.

Please quote where Rosenbaum's paedophilia was used as "explicit justification" for his death. Not the subjectively implied justification that you seem to be running with as bolded.

 

[SSwans2011]

That's faulty logic.

Please quote where Rosenbaum's paedophilia was used as "explicit justification" for his death. Not the subjectively implied justification that you seem to be running with as bolded.

Why else would it be relevant?

 

[Taylor]

Why else would it be relevant?

It's arguably the reason why he was in prison, why he was kicked out of his home when he was released from prison, why he was in the mental state that drove him to a suicide attempt prior to his release directly onto the street that night.

He has a long history, a page long, of violent and sexually violent actions. If he had only beaten people up due to an inability to control himself it would be just as relevant.

 

[Malifice]

He wasn’t a threat until the anarchists chased him and tried to kill him.

There is zero evidence anyone tried to kill him, or even wanted to kill him.

The evidence is they tried to disarm him.

 

[Gough]

It's arguably the reason why he was in prison, why he was kicked out of his home when he was released from prison, why he was in the mental state that drove him to a suicide attempt prior to his release directly onto the street that night.

He has a long history, a page long, of violent and sexually violent actions. If he had only beaten people up due to an inability to control himself it would be just as relevant.

And Kyle knew all this?

 

[RookiePick]

It's irrelevant to Rittenhouse's self defence claims. People are still going to talk about it. Rosenbaum being a convicted paedo is interesting/titillating/bizzaro

You are trying to ascribe relevance to it as a (misplaced) justification. I don't believe others have tried to use it as justification and I've asked you to show these "explicit justifications".

 

[Taylor]

There is zero evidence anyone tried to kill him, or even wanted to kill him.

The evidence is they tried to disarm him.

Incorrect.

There was evidence submitted in the trial that the mob chasing him were yelling "cranium him" and "get him".

 

[Malifice]

There is no relevance to the shooting. The background of the victims were not even raised in court and for very good reason.

Im getting sick of seeing it here as well.

Fair warning to all.

 

[Taylor]

And Kyle knew all this?

No, it's relavent to the balance on which we determine the situation that presented Rittenhouse. On how much Rosenbaum's mental health, clear agitated state and violent history could have lead to a believable circumstance where he attacked Rittenhouse.