Society/Culture Kyle Rittenhouse

[Financialpanther]

So grosskreutz is trash?

Does he fit that definition?

 

[Malifice]

It gives me no pleasure to say it, but some of the RWers in this thread appear to have a better grasp of the facts than some of the folks going after them.

I maintain that Kyle Rittenhouse was a peanut who should not have been running around with an AR-15. And he might be convicted for something along those lines i.e. unlawful possession of a firearm. But, to me, he does seem to have a reasonable case for self-defence in the killings.

The difficulty for folks is reconciling this: a) the spectacle of this dumbshit teenager running round with a powerful weapon, clearly reckless, perhaps provocative; b) he was then attacked and defended himself with lethal force that might actually be considered legal.

I'm not "defending" Rittenhouse. I don't think anyone should be eager to do that. The fact that he was there, with an AR-15, should not be some cause celebre for the RW. But once there, he didn't necessarily deserve to be attacked. That wasn't legal. And he had a right to self-defence. Was lethal force warranted? I can't say, but one guy aimed a gun at him.

We have to separate those issues.

Was he a peanut who had no place being there? Is it gross that he was running around with an AR-15? Is the entire situation an indictment on American gun culture and "open carry" laws?

Yes to all the above. And defending him being there, heavily armed, is dumb.

But the other question is: did he act in self-defence after being attacked?

I'd say that's at least a maybe.

Pretty much everyone was saying he gets off.

The question was more along the line of should he? What kind of a precedent does it set when any man and his dog can grab a gun and head down to a protest or riot.

That and the tragedy of watching cbeerleading neo fascists out themselves as flogs for celebrating a tragedy where 2 young men were killed.

 

[Noire]

If he was black the commentary would be how his absent father sent him spiralling into criminality.

Society includes every race
Why do you keep singling out black people!

 

[Gough]

Time for the civil suits from the families to come forth, with a lower burden of proof Inshallah he ends up in debt to them for the rest of his life.

 

[ChappyUK]

Time for the civil suits from the families to come forth, with a lower burden of proof Inshallah he ends up in debt to them for the rest of his life.

He'll get enough from Biden to pay with.

 

[Big_Birdy]

In another case which occasionally gets compared to this one (which I don’t think a thread exists for), the Ahmed Arbery trial judge has ruled that the defence must establish that they either saw or were in presence of the crime for the citizens arrest to be lawful.
That should sink the defence case, which is good as from my understanding of the facts of the case they deserve the most severe punishment the state of Georgia can mete out.

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

If this is not political or racial it must just be an incredible coincidence then that Madison Cawthorne and Matt Gaetz have already offered him internships.

Can you provide objective impartial evidence?

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

Does he fit that definition?

What is the definition of white trash? I wasn’t the one who used the derogatory term again Rittenhouse?

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

Pretty much everyone was saying he gets off.

The question was more along the line of should he? What kind of a precedent does it set when any man and his dog can grab a gun and head down to a protest or riot.

That and the tragedy of watching cbeerleading neo fascists out themselves as flogs for celebrating a tragedy where 2 young men were killed.

It wasn’t a case based on gun ownership or gun control. No one argues that the country as a whole has serious issues with guns. You only have to look at how many young black men are killed by other young black men with guns to see it’s an issue.

But that’s not what this case was about.

No one is celebrating that I’ve seen, there is a difference between celebrating and acknowledging that justice and the law was upheld according to the law.

What is obvious though are those who picked a team based on emotion, rather than hard evidence, fact and the law. Because those are the only ones that that will feel some great sense of grand final loss type grief unable to accept reality, and resort to name slinging and insult of others. Typical.

 

[HairyO]

Pretty much everyone was saying he gets off.

The question was more along the line of should he? What kind of a precedent does it set when any man and his dog can grab a gun and head down to a protest or riot.

That and the tragedy of watching cbeerleading neo fascists out themselves as flogs for celebrating a tragedy where 2 young men were killed.

It says the police should enforce the law. They were in hiding for a couple of days. 95% of the charges laid for looting and rioting were in the werks after the riots.

People have a right to defend themselves, their property, their friends and their family.

 

[ExcitementMachine]

Pretty much everyone was saying he gets off.

The question was more along the line of should he? What kind of a precedent does it set when any man and his dog can grab a gun and head down to a protest or riot.

That and the tragedy of watching cbeerleading neo fascists out themselves as flogs for celebrating a tragedy where 2 young men were killed.

The rhetoric from lwnj has been apalling in this thread. The kid was also 17yo.

Glad he was acquitted, the rap sheet of the people he killed in self defence and their age was a real eye opener for mine.

 

[Financialpanther]

What is the definition of white trash? I wasn’t the one who used the derogatory term again Rittenhouse?

I said referred to my definition of trash, not white trash.

 

[Messenger]

The rhetoric from lwnj has been apalling in this thread. The kid was also 17yo.

Glad he was acquitted, the rap sheet of the people he killed in self defence and their age was a real eye opener for mine.

The kid turned up to a rally with an assault rifle and got in way over his head. He used his toy and Lo and behold it does actually kill people when you pull the trigger. That there are no consequences for him is no surprise.

He’s going to get sucked into the vortex of GOP politics, become an ideological prop for a few years and then spat out the other end when his purpose is complete.

 

[Financialpanther]

Your ok with extra judicial justice.

If he’d sprayed bullets at a protestor who was a leader at their local church then he goes to jail?

Commissioner Anabell Brumford:
Ladies and gentlemen, I would now like to introduce a most special American. Tonight, he is being honoured for his 1000th drug-dealer killed.

Lt. Frank Drebin:
[to applause] Thank you. But, in all honesty, the last three I backed over with my car. Luckily, they turned out to be drug-dealers.

 

[Kram]

The funny thing is all the loons didn't even really want the injustice of the lad being found guilty, they would have then nothing to foam and riot about.

 

[ChappyUK]

The kid turned up to a rally with an assault rifle and got in way over his head. He used his toy and Lo and behold it does actually kill people when you pull the trigger. That there are no consequences for him is no surprise.

He’s going to get sucked into the vortex of GOP politics, become an ideological prop for a few years and then spat out the other end when his purpose is complete.

Rally? Soon it will be a CWA picnic he crashed.

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

Lol America.Racist laws.Racist judge.
You can now take someones life if at a protest legally.
Just walk around with a gun and wait for soneome to hit you and them blow them away.
Then go to a pub and display white supremacy signs and laugh about it.
Maybe people should go to trump rallies and do the same thing- seems fair.

 

[Chief]

Classy comments from a mod with epic levels of offended.

Why are you so attached to Kyle?

 

[scoman]

I just hope kiddo doesn't make anyone with a gun jumpy because according to this court they'd be perfectly entitled to blow his brain out.

Incorrect. Try to seperate your politics from the facts.

 

[Gough]

Incorrect. Try to seperate your politics from the facts.

How so? The court ruled that Rittenhouse acted in self defence after being so frightened of his victims that he was forced to kill them. You don't think this might set a worrying precedent?

 

[scoman]

Lol America.Racist laws.Racist judge.
You can now take someones life if at a protest legally.
Just walk around with a gun and wait for soneome to hit you and them blow them away.
Then go to a pub and display white supremacy signs and laugh about it.
Maybe people should go to trump rallies and do the same thing- seems fair.

Why a Trump rally?

 

[Jafa]

I just hope kiddo doesn't make anyone with a gun jumpy because according to this court they'd be perfectly entitled to blow his brain out.

So bitter. Nice.

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

Incorrect. Try to seperate your politics from the facts.

So you agree this is a fact though?
'Shortly after pleading not guilty to murder and weapons charges earlier this month, Kyle Rittenhouse showed up at a bar in Mount Pleasant, Wis., clad in a T-shirt that said “Free as F---,” prosecutors said. Then the 18-year-old allegedly drank three beers, posed for photos with members of Proud Boys and flashed a “white power” hand sign.'

 

[scoman]

How so? The court ruled that Rittenhouse acted in self defence after being so frightened of his victims that he was forced to kill them. You don't think this might set a worrying precedent?

He was frightened of his victims for good reason. He was under attack. The court found he acted appropriately. Im not.sire.about precedent. But if people are.goinf to go out hoping to find themselves in an identical situation so that they can pull the trigger I would suggest a high level of stupid.

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

Why a Trump rally?

A lot of white supremicists go to trump rallies.
Do you think the people who get bashed at trump rallies have a right to defend themselves with a gun?