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["The Roar Is Back"]

Possibly the stupidest post I have seen in a long while and from a mod no less.... 2 yrs and injuries but we are thinking possible delist?? wow

And what part of the post did you think is stupid because the only point you've raised wasn't stated in the post , read what was written, not what you've failed to read properly .

 

[YellowandBlackBlood]

Exactly.

I wathced a fair of his TAC career and also have spoken to opposition recruiters about him.

The knock on him was obviously his injuries but also his uncompetitiveness.

AS i said earlier, he very much reminds me of Cleve Hughes, who many held out great hope for and there were huge wraps on him

Cleve Hughes went down hill after the Schultz incident. His main problem was mental. Griffs problem has been his shoulders. If he gets confidence in them and they hold up, he will be completely different to Hughes. Uncompetitiveness was not one of his knocks as I have spoken to several recruiters as well. As I have said he puts his body on the line and exposes himself to injuries. He is actually a little reckless in that respect. Certainly the medical staff caring for him feel that and I have had direct communication with them.

All you have to do is watch the few games he has played for us and you can see genuine competitiveness in him. Just ask Dustin Fletcher.

I'm not sure where you have got your info from or how long you've been in NZ (I assume that's where you are from your location), but you are wrong in both the Hughes comparison and the uncompetitive accusation and that is my entitled opinion.

 

[turtle27]

And at Coburg he has done very little , to warrant his selection , he has been getting fed by a golden spoon.

Can't for the life of me see how nine games in two years is being feed by a golden spoon.

 

[TOOs_Finest]

Can't for the life of me see how nine games in two years is being feed by a golden spoon.

Not to mention those two years being during a complete rebuild. Apparently many (I repeat many) other forwards in the past 20 years were never afforded such luxuries as nine games in two rebuild years.

 

[tigerfansince86]

I can't find one user who has written him off after two injury depleted seasons and thinks he should now be delisted, if he has an injury free 2012 and has the same output at seasons end, would you be happy ?
If he again breaks down with his shoulders would you think his career may be prematurely over or at least in serious threat ?
I think it would be fair to say that most tend to think that his end of season form was ordinary, and if by this seasons end isn't showing more , I will have severe doubts over whether he will reach hefty heights .
If that is due to missing games through injury I think he'll forever struggle to keep his body together .
It is a very important year for him , regardless of what level he plays and he needs to show improvement.

You were never gonna see Griffiths doing anything special in 2011 the club said they were taking a very slow cautious approach with him. I expect a better return in 2012 but nothing remarkable 2013-14 should be when we see Griffiths in the 22 if he's managed well and the shoulder holds up which Im confident it will.

 

[partycorolla]

Rance gets lost once things get a little complicated and ain't great once opposing forwards run him under the ball, which will be amplified should he move to CHB .
Griffiths , the club is just trying to gain something from their investment , if he fails at CHB I think he should be gone by this seasons end . He has been afforded opportunities way beyond many other forwards we've tried over the past 20 years and has provided next to **** all .
I'd prefer Derickx at CHB !

Think that's a bit harsh on big Griff, he's been injured far more than we would have liked but in terms of games he's hardly played at all. Not to mention he's a tall and they take longer. How many games did Pettifer play? Cleve Hughes played more... And Patto. Give him time, we lose nothing by giving him time to develop.

 

[Goldust]

Had gone down and watched training the other week. From what I had seen on Moore I dout he will be any were near the player he was with his hip, he's walking evan looked average. As for Astberry or Post they just don't have the mass weight size for the big picture.

POSTED it on here mid-season and will say it again, Moore's career is as good as over. The hips are cactus!!!

 

[Spluff]

Can't for the life of me see how nine games in two years is being feed by a golden spoon.

I don't agree with delisting him, or any of the overly harsh calls in this thread, but he did not come close to earning any of those games. He was put in because the club thought it would be best for him - if he was made to earn it like many others on the list he wouldn't have played any games yet.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Cleve Hughes went down hill after the Schultz incident. His main problem was mental. Griffs problem has been his shoulders. If he gets confidence in them and they hold up, he will be completely different to Hughes. Uncompetitiveness was not one of his knocks as I have spoken to several recruiters as well. As I have said he puts his body on the line and exposes himself to injuries. He is actually a little reckless in that respect. Certainly the medical staff caring for him feel that and I have had direct communication with them.

All you have to do is watch the few games he has played for us and you can see genuine competitiveness in him. Just ask Dustin Fletcher.

I'm not sure where you have got your info from or how long you've been in NZ (I assume that's where you are from your location), but you are wrong in both the Hughes comparison and the uncompetitive accusation and that is my entitled opinion.

I think you are referring to with Hughes was the Graham Polak accident ?
Fwiw I also heard of some both within AFL clubs an within the TAC who felt compartmented was a area that Griffiths isn't excell in . In 2010 I thought he competiveness and in particular defensive pressure was not an issue , this year it certainly was !

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Can't for the life of me see how nine games in two years is being feed by a golden spoon.

I don't agree with delisting him, or any of the overly harsh calls in this thread, but he did not come close to earning any of those games. He was put in because the club thought it would be best for him - if he was made to earn it like many others on the list he wouldn't have played any games yet.

Was about to post similar Spluff , his form leading up to the games played , to me , dictates on whether he earnt a spot , not the amount he has played over a set period ?

 

[irene over]

Cleve Hughes went down hill after the Schultz incident. His main problem was mental. Griffs problem has been his shoulders. If he gets confidence in them and they hold up, he will be completely different to Hughes. Uncompetitiveness was not one of his knocks as I have spoken to several recruiters as well. As I have said he puts his body on the line and exposes himself to injuries. He is actually a little reckless in that respect. Certainly the medical staff caring for him feel that and I have had direct communication with them.

All you have to do is watch the few games he has played for us and you can see genuine competitiveness in him. Just ask Dustin Fletcher.

I'm not sure where you have got your info from or how long you've been in NZ (I assume that's where you are from your location), but you are wrong in both the Hughes comparison and the uncompetitive accusation and that is my entitled opinion.

Well, excuse me for my "opinion" being wrong! I didn't think that was possible!

I said he reminded me of hughes in that they were both touted as the enxt best thing "highly rated" by the inner sanctum at the club yet failed to deliver. I didn't say the reasons why were the same, so highlighting that Hughes had different reasons( although i reckon he was soft as well)for not delivering, is missing my point-sadly. We got to the end of his 4 years of development , promise etc and ultimately got diddly squat.

Hughes-all aust CHF, tall, highly rated internally mobile, great kick...potetnial world beater...nothing...terrified

Griffiths-pick 16, tall, great kick, huge wraps..so far..nothing..

I actually reckon it is a great comparison so far.

Taking a mark against fletcher doesn't make you a world beater or competitive.

I beg to differ strongly about what recruiters thought/said about Griffiths. I know for a fact several clubs(one senior recuiter in particular) who thought he was not overly hard/brave/competitive-call it what you like. They perosnally told me , so I am not "wrong" about that

We wil just have to wait and see but Griffiths will end up being another hughes, gumbleton etc..

 

[tigerfansince86]

Wow a write off from irene, early call. I'd have to say we have a better chance with griff with the new facilities and increased spending in the area of development and such. Having Hardwick at the realm will help also aswell as big Leppo showing him the ropes...have to wait and see but I'm leaning the other way and think he will make it.

 

[YellowandBlackBlood]

]Well, excuse me for my "opinion" being wrong! I didn't think that was possible![/B]

I said he reminded me of hughes in that they were both touted as the enxt best thing "highly rated" by the inner sanctum at the club yet failed to deliver. I didn't say the reasons why were the same, so highlighting that Hughes had different reasons( although i reckon he was soft as well)for not delivering, is missing my point-sadly. We got to the end of his 4 years of development , promise etc and ultimately got diddly squat.

Hughes-all aust CHF, tall, highly rated internally mobile, great kick...potetnial world beater...nothing...terrified

Griffiths-pick 16, tall, great kick, huge wraps..so far..nothing..

I actually reckon it is a great comparison so far.

Taking a mark against fletcher doesn't make you a world beater or competitive.

I beg to differ strongly about what recruiters thought/said about Griffiths. I know for a fact several clubs(one senior recuiter in particular) who thought he was not overly hard/brave/competitive-call it what you like. They perosnally told me , so I am not "wrong" about that

We wil just have to wait and see but Griffiths will end up being another hughes, gumbleton etc..

If you care to read my post again, I said it was MY opinion that you are wrong.

Hughes was listed at Richmond as being 192cm tall. Griffiths is listed as 200cm. An 8cm difference. Would you compare Hughes to someone 184cm? That still is an 8cm difference. No you wouldn't. The comparison ends there.

 

[Heisenberg_]

All the size and power in the world doesn't matter if you don't compete hard enough,which unfortunately was the knock on him as a junior.

He reminds of Cleve Hughes, who was an all australain under CHF but simply didn't compete hard enough to cut it at AFL level.

I sincerely hope I am wrong about Griff but I don't think I am

One of the worst comparisons I've read.
Clean knees Hughes all he could fleas lead mark and kick.
Griffiths has all the tools clean below the knees a big tank and quick off the mark and a monster kick.
It's hard forca young bloke to compete hard when his shoulders kept failing on him.
Absolutely no chance he will be delisted this year especially with how highly the coach rates him

 

[irene over]

If you care to read my post again, I said it was MY opinion that you are wrong.

Hughes was listed at Richmond as being 192cm tall. Griffiths is listed as 200cm. An 8cm difference. Would you compare Hughes to someone 184cm? That still is an 8cm difference. No you wouldn't. The comparison ends there.

If they played the same position...yes

Both play CHF...so again...the comparison doesn't end there.

Tuck and edwards are very different body shapes and sizes but both are midfielders.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

One of the worst comparisons I've read.
Clean knees Hughes all he could fleas lead mark and kick.
Griffiths has all the tools clean below the knees a big tank and quick off the mark and a monster kick.
It's hard forca young bloke to compete hard when his shoulders kept failing on him.
Absolutely no chance he will be delisted this year especially with how highly the coach rates him

about to say similar. Hughes was a one dimensional player, with no second efforts, a pea heart, and an over infated estimation of his own worth

haven't seen any of these traits in Griff

 

[theflea]

how is griffo tracking in this preseason? and also sometimes playing at coburg just does not promote good players. ive seen players perform terribly at coburg but do well at afl level!

 

[eays]

**** me ... does anyone else want to chime in with a "go back and read my post properly" type comment ... someone unleash The Rusty Trombone onto this thread to lighten the mood

 

[SHIGHT BLOKE]

I would be much surprised to see Griff being groomed into the CHB spot for any length of time given the rest of our list. We have Astbury, Post, McGuane, Moore, Rance, Batchelor, Grimes all competing for CHB/FB. If Griff plays much it will be mostly in the forward half to assist JR, Vicks & co.

Sure he may play a few games in the back half area for some experience perhaps even in the pre season comps but come rnd1 he will be at Coburg and looking to dominate it as a power forward....

I'd be very surprised to see Batch as a KPP.

 

[SHIGHT BLOKE]

I'm talking about Post maturing into his body, quite a few people have mentioned a number of times this preseason that Post has come back in much better shape physically as he has lost all the puppy fat and has become much more refined.

More refined - so, he's now a scholar and drinks a vino with his lunch and a congnac with his dinner?

PS: I know you meant defined but it's a slow day at work.

 

[The Rusty Trombone]

**** me ... does anyone else want to chime in with a "go back and read my post properly" type comment ... someone unleash The Rusty Trombone onto this thread to lighten the mood

Gee hasn't this thread grown some legs in the last couple of hours. Do any of you guys have jobs? I know a young bloke that does his name is ben Griffiths and he's probably on about 70K a year. If he wasn't on our list he'd either be on about 30K a year or at Uni on George Zip.

I'd say he has 70'000 reasons to do the work expected and have an impact this year and all things considering his first 2 years were great considering we knew what we were getting with his shoulders.

He needs to succeed long enough to become a house hold name so he can do Ashley and Martin ads in the future or Advanced Hair Yer Yer!!!!

Should we have taken Nathan Fyfe at pick 19 instead of Benny?

 

[irene over]

about to say similar. Hughes was a one dimensional player, with no second efforts, a pea heart, and an over infated estimation of his own worth

haven't seen any of these traits in Griff

Are you serious?

I thought for a minute you had written Hughes instead of Griffiths, such was the accuracy of your description!

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Are you serious?

I thought for a minute you had written Hughes instead of Griffiths, such was the accuracy of your description!

absolutely, they called Cleve "clean knees" for a reason, never heard that type of accusation dropped on him by anyone else bar you.

having spoken to both of them too, IMO Griff is nowhere near the egomaniac Cleve was.

 

[Hipster Doofus]

Griff is a CHF and we should play him there in the senior side.

He'd get the 3rd best tall defender because of Jack and Vick and could roam around 50-80m and just be told to beat his man and win a couple of kicks.

I'd be happy with that

 

[MightyTiger]

Boy don't we all jump to conclusions and fail to read what was written , and not solely referring to you Ize .
I think he has been offorded greater opportunities than most , if not every , forward we've had at the club in recent times ( 20 years ) , is there anyone who disagrees and if so please advise of who the other players maybe .
He has done nothing at Coburg to suggest he'll be a great or even reasonable CHF , and his best form to date , without question IMO, was the 5 game winning streak his was involved in, in 2010 , which I'll agree he started to show signs .
His form in 2011 at both AFL and VFL level, was extremely dissapointing and if he was to continue along it that vain , I would think he'll struggle to make it !
I appreciate his physical attributes and the need on occasions for the larger players to take time to develop , however those big players at least show something at a lower standard or glimpses of brilliance .
Happy to give him this season , but unless his form from 2011 vastly improves , or he starts to show increased signs of talent, I'll be thinking he should be moved on .

His game against Carlton this year where we got smacked and he got injured, I'd say he was on track to having his best game of his career playing as a second Ruck. It's not like he didn't show signs, he has been, but the kid has no confidence in his body, and when he finally got it right, he gets injured again backing back into a pack for a mark.