Oppo Camp Let's talk about Adelaide

[noideaatall]

The contract illegal in the eyes of the afl, at that time it was a contract that was legally binding because the afl had no knowledge.

How do you legally enforce a secret contract? A suppression order? The whole thing seems a bit bizarre to me. Doesn't anyone involved in this mess have a brain?

 

[Baltimore Jack]

How do you legally enforce a secret contract? A suppression order? The whole thing seems a bit bizarre to me. Doesn't anyone involved in this mess have a brain?

Many contracts are 'secret' i.e. only known about between the parties, that doesn't make them any less enforceable.

 

[DermiesLuvChild]

The contract illegal in the eyes of the afl, at that time it was a contract that was legally binding because the afl had no knowledge.

I'm no lawyer, however I assume that the the side agreement is 100% legal as a stand alone document under Australian & or state law.
However by virtue of the existence of such agreement, all parties have contravened AFL rules, when signing documents lodged with the AFL clearly stating that they have no knowledge or have not entered into any other outside agreements.
Hence Tippetts management could take legal action against AFC for breach. The AFL will take action against all parties or braking of AFL rules.

 

[Optimax]

I'm no lawyer, however I assume that the the side agreement is 100% legal as a stand alone document under Australian & or state law.
However by virtue of the existence of such agreement, all parties have contravened AFL rules, when signing documents lodged with the AFL clearly stating that they have no knowledge or have not entered into any other outside agreements.
Hence Tippetts management could take legal action against AFC for breach. The AFL will take action against all parties or braking of AFL rules.

That's exactly right, and tippet's dad starting such legal shenanigans started the afl sniffing around. Basically making a bigger mess for his son and Adelaide

 

[noideaatall]

Does that mean the 'side contract' is still enforceable? Not possible I assume, as the situation has changed. Couldn't AFC just replied 'sue us', which means bringing it out in the open anyway?
Why try and enforce something you can't? Isn't that what a lawyer is for: to advise on a successful legal approach to dealing with a contract. Still doesn't make total sense to me, unless the lawyers who wrote the letter were only engaged with specific instructions.

 

[Number 10]

Not quite true, AFL has not stated this.

This from afl.com.au:
"The AFL said it had started examining all of Adelaide's records that might be relevant to its investigation, but said it had not set a deadline to release its findings".

Age journalist Emma Quayle who broke the story said on SEN this afternoon that even with a full investigation, the AFL believe a decision will be made BEFORE the ND on November 22.

I got it from a Patrick keane tweet, who by my understanding is a media liaison with the afl?? Anyway I think that initial information may be wrong now...

 

[Knightmare]

I read an article in the age in which they said Rendell wanted to trade Tippett at the end of 2011 for a decent pick hehe. But is it really terrible luck? maybe it's a bad culture/club, why do so many players leave there? Bock and Davis left for the riches of the expansion clubs but we only lost Fraser to them who wasn't even in our best 22.

I don't mind their culture. They have had really sustained success without bottoming out so I don't see this as being the issue. It's almost as strange seeing Adelaide outside the top 8 as it would be seeing Sydney not in there.

I'd probably lean more towards Adelaide isn't as desirable a place to live as some of the other footballing cities and in the cases of those who left in 2010+2011 they probably didn't really recognise the opportunity for success coming with the retirements of McLeod, Goodwin, Burton and Edwards among others which likely made many think it was an end of an era of sorts.

The curious thing with Adelaide is that over the years whenever they have had key players retire and have bought in a new coach they have performed out of their minds the following year and rebounded in a way we'd think they had no right to both with Sanderson and Craig.

 

[Pie_fan92]

I don't mind their culture. They have had really sustained success without bottoming out so I don't see this as being the issue. It's almost as strange seeing Adelaide outside the top 8 as it would be seeing Sydney not in there.

I'd probably lean more towards Adelaide isn't as desirable a place to live as some of the other footballing cities and in the cases of those who left in 2010+2011 they probably didn't really recognise the opportunity for success coming with the retirements of McLeod, Goodwin, Burton and Edwards among others which likely made many think it was an end of an era of sorts.

The curious thing with Adelaide is that over the years whenever they have had key players retire and have bought in a new coach they have performed out of their minds the following year and rebounded in a way we'd think they had no right to both with Sanderson and Craig.

Yeah I just thought it is something worth bringing up, seeing as though not many people talk about in terms of their culture. We have done really well during the expansion era without losing a "star" player, where as Adelaide have lost one just about every year and I believe our culture is primarily responsible.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

For a bit of a laugh check this thread on the Adelaide board: http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/the-official-kurt-tippett-celebrity-roast.976548/

 

[MegaBob]

Looks like they're taking it well.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Looks like they're taking it well.

Adelaide supporters actually seem a creative lot!

 

[Quicky]

Adelaide supporters actually seem a creative lot!

Yeah definitely. Some really good humour in there. One of the better boards to visit in my experience, provided you're respectful.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Yeah definitely. Some really good humour in there. One of the better boards to visit in my experience, provided you're respectful.

I expressed my sympathy that supporters have to suffer for the sins of their admin and Tippett, but not in the fun thread. Adelaide supporters are doing their own soul searching and don't need outside assistance in expressing anger at what has happened. I feel sorry for the poor buggers because they have lost four good players in rapid succession.

 

[The Sqawka]

I just can't help but think about the Chris Judd third party deal - and I hate it!

I can't believe the Judd deal wasn't stopped by the AFL, the moment they changed their ruling third party player payments. This is incredibly unfair for Adelaide and I feel for them. They drafted Tippett as a 17 year old kid and then developed him with all their own time, money and resources. This is miles from what Carlton used the third party player payments for.

Adelaide - Used third party payments to try and KEEP the services of a boy they had drafted and developed.
Carlton - Used third party payments to help GAIN the services of the best player in the game from another club.

 

[esc0bar]

I don't mind their culture. They have had really sustained success without bottoming out so I don't see this as being the issue. It's almost as strange seeing Adelaide outside the top 8 as it would be seeing Sydney not in there.

I'd probably lean more towards Adelaide isn't as desirable a place to live as some of the other footballing cities and in the cases of those who left in 2010+2011 they probably didn't really recognise the opportunity for success coming with the retirements of McLeod, Goodwin, Burton and Edwards among others which likely made many think it was an end of an era of sorts.

The curious thing with Adelaide is that over the years whenever they have had key players retire and have bought in a new coach they have performed out of their minds the following year and rebounded in a way we'd think they had no right to both with Sanderson and Craig.

Off topic here but Knightmare if you are going to continue to use that picture of bucks in his prime, please use an updated one for this increase avatar dimension display. I have to squint to see his definition and does him no justice You could use this one:

PS. Adelaide are screwed!

 

[Quicky]

Clever move by Adelaide. Very calculated. Bummer for us. The AFL had little alternative as they need to provide for natural justice unfortunately. Although that hasn't stopped them in the past.

 

[76woodenspooners]

Adelaide - Used third party payments to try and KEEP the services of a boy they had drafted and developed.
Carlton - Used third party payments to help GAIN the services of the best player in the game from another club.

Can't compare Carlton with Adelaide.

Carlton were smart. They exploited the system and the AFL to get more value than offered by the salary cap.

Adelaide were stupid. They paid Tippett under the table when they didn't need to. They had the salary cap space to pay him above the table. So why didn't they? Very good question that we're waiting for an answer to ...